Natural transdermal for gains?

[Jbtwentytwo]

What’s a good recommended natural transdermal product to help with making gains?

 

[nostrum420]

Epichaos or Ursa Major depending on your goals.

 

[Burnfire]

Second the ursa major I'm loving it so far! Could also look into some sustain alpha. I've been eye balling the epichaos and should have pulled the trigger during black Friday.

 

[Jbtwentytwo]

Epichaos or Ursa Major depending on your goals.

What’s the difference between the two? I’m looking to kind of bulk up more and have a fuller look. Currently on anabolic effect and x gels. Love this stack but been reading into the transdermals. Would even run anabolic effect with a transdermal. Just not sure which one to roll with. A lot of people are saying sustain alpha really doesn’t do anything for body comp. thoughts?

 

[Burnfire]

What’s the difference between the two? I’m looking to kind of bulk up more and have a fuller look. Currently on anabolic effect and x gels. Love this stack but been reading into the transdermals. Would even run anabolic effect with a transdermal. Just not sure which one to roll with. A lot of people are saying sustain alpha really doesn’t do anything for body comp. thoughts?

With the ursa major I've been noticing increased vascular and body recomp for sure. There are a few logs on this product that have some great results.

The sustain alpha I believe would aid in your stack as it would provide the HPTA what it needs. I always had a good sense of well being while running this.

 

[nostrum420]

What’s the difference between the two? I’m looking to kind of bulk up more and have a fuller look. Currently on anabolic effect and x gels. Love this stack but been reading into the transdermals. Would even run anabolic effect with a transdermal. Just not sure which one to roll with. A lot of people are saying sustain alpha really doesn’t do anything for body comp. thoughts?

IMO Epichaos is better for adding mass whereas Ursa Major is better for recomp or cutting. Either one would do well in a stack with other natty anabolics, though.

 

[Sean1332]

Another vote for ursa major and/or epichaos.

 

[Jbtwentytwo]

Another vote for ursa major and/or epichaos.

Def gonna check it out. Just curious I see more people talk about sustain alpha. What’s the differences ?

 

[Burnfire]

Def gonna check it out. Just curious I see more people talk about sustain alpha. What’s the differences ?

Sustain Alpha is a natural testosterone boosting cream that stimulates the body's own production of testosterone. This supports male vitality, libido, and erectile function. The formula dries within minutes, leaving the skin clean and moisturized. At five pumps Sustain Alpha will last 23 applications, at 6 pumps it will last 19 applications.



Sustain Alpha does not contain any pro-hormones or steroidal ingredients. Instead, we packed Sustain Alpha with botanical extracts, and "aromatic-stimulators" to surge testosterone production. This makes Sustain Alpha a safe, healthy and legal male enhancement formula for virtually anybody. By increasing the "testosterone-production-signal" from the brain, Sustain Alpha increases the production of testosterone from the testes. More testosterone means more strength, confidence and sexual prowess.



Consider Sustain Alpha the natural alternative to Dermacrine. Sustain Alpha can also be used as post cycle therapy (PCT) for pro-hormone products (i.e. Dermacrine) to maximize testosterone production after a cycle.

WHAT SORT OF RESULTS SHOULD I EXPECT FROM SUSTAIN ALPHA?

• As testosterone climbs to its maximum potential, the following results become noticeable -
• Improved libido
• More frequent & harder erections
• Increased ejaculatory volume
• Improved sense of well-being & social confidence
• More prominent gains in the gym

HOW EXACTLY DOES SUSTAIN ALPHA INCREASE TESTOSTERONE?
To understand how Sustain Alpha increases Testosterone it?s important to understand the Hypothalamus-Pituitary-Testicular-Axis (HPTA).



In a normal healthy male, luteinizing hormone (LH) and follicle stimulating hormone (FSH) are sent from the brain (the pituitary) to stimulate the testes to make testosterone and sperm. The release of LH & FSH from the pituitary is stimulated by Gonadotropin Releasing Hormone (GnRH) from the hypothalamus. The hypothalamus is stimulated to produce GnRH when it senses low levels of steroid hormones, such as testosterone and estrogen. (hypothalamus [GnRH] --- > pituitary [LH & FSH]--- > testes [testosterone]).



On the other hand, when the brain detects high levels of steroid hormones it suppresses the release of GnRH, LH & FSH, and eventually testosterone production. This is called the negative feedback loop ? the normal daily rhythm of hormone production.



Sustain Alpha increases GrRH release by preventing the negative feedback of steroid hormones on the hypothalamus through GABAergic modulation and estrogen blockage. In other words, Sustain Alpha offsets the suppression of steroid hormones in the brain, allowing the body to produce more testosterone than it normally would, by up-regulating GnRH and LH & FSH.



Sustain Alpha pushes LH & FSH even higher by direct aromatic stimulation of the hypothalamic and pituitary cells. This is accomplished with natural volatile oils that absorb and penetrate directly into the hypothalamic region upon inhalation.



* Remember, maintaining normal levels of estrogen is an important part of maintaining libido, muscle recovery, and testicular function. Therefore, it is undesirable to overly suppress estrogen levels. The natural anti-estrogens in Sustain Alpha gently balance and control estrogen levels, without overly suppressing them.

WHAT INGREDIENTS ARE IN SUSTAIN ALPHA AND HOW DO THEY WORK?
The first ingredient in Sustain Alpha, that has recently become well known for its heart-health and life-extending benefits, is resveratrol. Aside from the noteworthy health benefits, resveratrol is an "estrogen blocker" because of its unique chemical structure which binds to the estrogen receptor, thus blocking estrogenic activity. (1,2) As discussed before, blocking estrogen can help increase LH & FSH levels.



The estrogen modulating effects of resveratrol have been proven to dramatically increase testosterone levels, fertility, and erection strength in several animal studies, without any side-effects. (3-4) Other research with resveratrol has uncovered its supportive role in healthy blood vessel function - a great benefit for any male interested in improving his heart-health and erection fullness. (4,9)



The second ingredient in Sustain Alpha is 7,8 Benzoflavone. This neuro-active flavone has the ability to pass the blood brain barrier and block the suppression GnRH release through modulation of the GABAergic receptor complex. (6,7,21-30)



Other research has shown 7,8 benzoflavone to have positive effects on libido due to its aphrodisiac and anxiolytic (anxiety-relieving) effects. (10-13)



Ingredients: Ethyl Alcohol (Organic), Water (Aqua/Eau), Dimethyl Isosorbide, Ethoxydiglycol, Propylene Glycol Monolaurate, PEG-15 Cocoamine, Trans-Resveratrol (98%), 7,8-Benzoflavone (98%), 3-Aminopropanoic Acid, Carbomer, Triethanolamine, Tetrahydropiperine*, Salvia Sclarea (Clary Sage) Essential Oil. *US Patent 6,849,645

CAN SUSTAIN ALPHA BE USED FOR PCT?
Yes, Sustain Alpha can successfully be used as a part of PCT for re-starting testosterone production after a suppressive cycle. For maximum effectiveness, we recommend stacking Sustain Alpha with EndoAMp Max for enhancing testicular sensitivity and intensifying testosterone production.

ARE THERE ANY SIDE-EFFECTS WHEN USING SUSTAIN ALPHA?
When using Sustain Alpha as recommended, the incidence of side effects are extremely unlikely, unless there is a skin allergen that would prohibit use.

HOW SHOULD I APPLY SUSTAIN ALPHA?
Shower and dry the skin. Apply 3 to 5 pumps to desired application site. Best application sites are chest, upper shoulders, inside arms and inner thighs.

WARNING
Product may transfer to others by direct skin contact. Product not recommended for elderly, pregnant women, anyone under the age of 18, or anyone diagnosed with a serious health condition. Always consult your physician before using this product with any over-the-counter or prescription medication.



These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease.

Or

SUSTAIN ALPHA

PRODUCT INFORMATION Sustain Alpha is a natural testosterone boosting gel that stimulates the body's own production of testosterone. The formula dries within minutes, leaving the skin clean and moisturized. At five pumps Sustain Alpha will last 23 applications, at 6 pumps it will last 19...

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The ursa major is

Ursa Major

Ursolic Acid is a naturally occuring "triterpenoid" found naturally in apples, rosemary, basil, some berries and various other dietary and medicinal plants. Ursolic Acid naturally promotes a more fit and athletic appearance by promoting the body's intrinsic fat burning and muscle toning mechanisms.

www.apex-alchemy.com

Ursolic Acid is a naturally occuring "triterpenoid" found naturally in apples, rosemary, basil, some berries and various other dietary and medicinal plants.

Ursolic Acid naturally promotes a more fit and athletic appearance by promoting the body's intrinsic fat burning and muscle toning mechanisms. Additionally, ursolic acid may help to reduce inflammation and boost endurance. This amazing anti-oxidant also has also been investigated for it's anti-tumor, liver-protecting and even ant-wrinkle

Epichaos contains Epicatechin; a potent antioxidant which occurs naturally in many foods, such as cocoa and tea.
Epicatechin naturally promotes a more fit and athletic appearance by limiting the effects of "Myostatin;" a substance produced naturally in the body that can decrease muscle tone. Myostatin levels increase as we age, leading to a 'softer' appearance. Conversely, Follistatin is protein produced naturally by the human body and is at higher levels when we're younger. Epicatechin enhances the toning effects of your body's natural follistatin helping to promote a more fit and healthy appearance. True to form, our Epicatechin is 98% pure, not a watered down extract or blend.*

Epichaos

Epichaos is a topical Epicatechin supplement. This potent antioxidant which occurs naturally in many foods, such as cocoa and tea. Epicatechin naturally promotes a more fit and athletic appearance by limiting the effects of "Myostatin;" a substance produced naturally in the body that can...

www.apex-alchemy.com

 

[Sean1332]

Def gonna check it out. Just curious I see more people talk about sustain alpha. What’s the differences ?

Sustain Alpha is a great test booster. Good libido/erection boost. It's a great product that I've used and it's been around a long time so you'll likely see more talk about it as well.

I think for strictly gains speaking, that Epichaos and/or ursa major is the way to go. (This isn't to say Sustain Alpha doesn't work.)


Edit: @Burnfire covered it lol

 

[cheftepesh1]

Sustain Alpha is a natural testosterone boosting cream that stimulates the body's own production of testosterone. This supports male vitality, libido, and erectile function. The formula dries within minutes, leaving the skin clean and moisturized. At five pumps Sustain Alpha will last 23 applications, at 6 pumps it will last 19 applications.



Sustain Alpha does not contain any pro-hormones or steroidal ingredients. Instead, we packed Sustain Alpha with botanical extracts, and "aromatic-stimulators" to surge testosterone production. This makes Sustain Alpha a safe, healthy and legal male enhancement formula for virtually anybody. By increasing the "testosterone-production-signal" from the brain, Sustain Alpha increases the production of testosterone from the testes. More testosterone means more strength, confidence and sexual prowess.



Consider Sustain Alpha the natural alternative to Dermacrine. Sustain Alpha can also be used as post cycle therapy (PCT) for pro-hormone products (i.e. Dermacrine) to maximize testosterone production after a cycle.

WHAT SORT OF RESULTS SHOULD I EXPECT FROM SUSTAIN ALPHA?

• As testosterone climbs to its maximum potential, the following results become noticeable -
• Improved libido
• More frequent & harder erections
• Increased ejaculatory volume
• Improved sense of well-being & social confidence
• More prominent gains in the gym

HOW EXACTLY DOES SUSTAIN ALPHA INCREASE TESTOSTERONE?
To understand how Sustain Alpha increases Testosterone it?s important to understand the Hypothalamus-Pituitary-Testicular-Axis (HPTA).



In a normal healthy male, luteinizing hormone (LH) and follicle stimulating hormone (FSH) are sent from the brain (the pituitary) to stimulate the testes to make testosterone and sperm. The release of LH & FSH from the pituitary is stimulated by Gonadotropin Releasing Hormone (GnRH) from the hypothalamus. The hypothalamus is stimulated to produce GnRH when it senses low levels of steroid hormones, such as testosterone and estrogen. (hypothalamus [GnRH] --- > pituitary [LH & FSH]--- > testes [testosterone]).



On the other hand, when the brain detects high levels of steroid hormones it suppresses the release of GnRH, LH & FSH, and eventually testosterone production. This is called the negative feedback loop ? the normal daily rhythm of hormone production.



Sustain Alpha increases GrRH release by preventing the negative feedback of steroid hormones on the hypothalamus through GABAergic modulation and estrogen blockage. In other words, Sustain Alpha offsets the suppression of steroid hormones in the brain, allowing the body to produce more testosterone than it normally would, by up-regulating GnRH and LH & FSH.



Sustain Alpha pushes LH & FSH even higher by direct aromatic stimulation of the hypothalamic and pituitary cells. This is accomplished with natural volatile oils that absorb and penetrate directly into the hypothalamic region upon inhalation.



* Remember, maintaining normal levels of estrogen is an important part of maintaining libido, muscle recovery, and testicular function. Therefore, it is undesirable to overly suppress estrogen levels. The natural anti-estrogens in Sustain Alpha gently balance and control estrogen levels, without overly suppressing them.

WHAT INGREDIENTS ARE IN SUSTAIN ALPHA AND HOW DO THEY WORK?
The first ingredient in Sustain Alpha, that has recently become well known for its heart-health and life-extending benefits, is resveratrol. Aside from the noteworthy health benefits, resveratrol is an "estrogen blocker" because of its unique chemical structure which binds to the estrogen receptor, thus blocking estrogenic activity. (1,2) As discussed before, blocking estrogen can help increase LH & FSH levels.



The estrogen modulating effects of resveratrol have been proven to dramatically increase testosterone levels, fertility, and erection strength in several animal studies, without any side-effects. (3-4) Other research with resveratrol has uncovered its supportive role in healthy blood vessel function - a great benefit for any male interested in improving his heart-health and erection fullness. (4,9)



The second ingredient in Sustain Alpha is 7,8 Benzoflavone. This neuro-active flavone has the ability to pass the blood brain barrier and block the suppression GnRH release through modulation of the GABAergic receptor complex. (6,7,21-30)



Other research has shown 7,8 benzoflavone to have positive effects on libido due to its aphrodisiac and anxiolytic (anxiety-relieving) effects. (10-13)



Ingredients: Ethyl Alcohol (Organic), Water (Aqua/Eau), Dimethyl Isosorbide, Ethoxydiglycol, Propylene Glycol Monolaurate, PEG-15 Cocoamine, Trans-Resveratrol (98%), 7,8-Benzoflavone (98%), 3-Aminopropanoic Acid, Carbomer, Triethanolamine, Tetrahydropiperine*, Salvia Sclarea (Clary Sage) Essential Oil. *US Patent 6,849,645

CAN SUSTAIN ALPHA BE USED FOR PCT?
Yes, Sustain Alpha can successfully be used as a part of PCT for re-starting testosterone production after a suppressive cycle. For maximum effectiveness, we recommend stacking Sustain Alpha with EndoAMp Max for enhancing testicular sensitivity and intensifying testosterone production.

ARE THERE ANY SIDE-EFFECTS WHEN USING SUSTAIN ALPHA?
When using Sustain Alpha as recommended, the incidence of side effects are extremely unlikely, unless there is a skin allergen that would prohibit use.

HOW SHOULD I APPLY SUSTAIN ALPHA?
Shower and dry the skin. Apply 3 to 5 pumps to desired application site. Best application sites are chest, upper shoulders, inside arms and inner thighs.

WARNING
Product may transfer to others by direct skin contact. Product not recommended for elderly, pregnant women, anyone under the age of 18, or anyone diagnosed with a serious health condition. Always consult your physician before using this product with any over-the-counter or prescription medication.



These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease.

Or

SUSTAIN ALPHA

PRODUCT INFORMATION Sustain Alpha is a natural testosterone boosting gel that stimulates the body's own production of testosterone. The formula dries within minutes, leaving the skin clean and moisturized. At five pumps Sustain Alpha will last 23 applications, at 6 pumps it will last 19...

iconicformulations.com

The ursa major is

Ursa Major

Ursolic Acid is a naturally occuring "triterpenoid" found naturally in apples, rosemary, basil, some berries and various other dietary and medicinal plants. Ursolic Acid naturally promotes a more fit and athletic appearance by promoting the body's intrinsic fat burning and muscle toning mechanisms.

www.apex-alchemy.com

Ursolic Acid is a naturally occuring "triterpenoid" found naturally in apples, rosemary, basil, some berries and various other dietary and medicinal plants.

Ursolic Acid naturally promotes a more fit and athletic appearance by promoting the body's intrinsic fat burning and muscle toning mechanisms. Additionally, ursolic acid may help to reduce inflammation and boost endurance. This amazing anti-oxidant also has also been investigated for it's anti-tumor, liver-protecting and even ant-wrinkle

Epichaos contains Epicatechin; a potent antioxidant which occurs naturally in many foods, such as cocoa and tea.
Epicatechin naturally promotes a more fit and athletic appearance by limiting the effects of "Myostatin;" a substance produced naturally in the body that can decrease muscle tone. Myostatin levels increase as we age, leading to a 'softer' appearance. Conversely, Follistatin is protein produced naturally by the human body and is at higher levels when we're younger. Epicatechin enhances the toning effects of your body's natural follistatin helping to promote a more fit and healthy appearance. True to form, our Epicatechin is 98% pure, not a watered down extract or blend.*

Epichaos

Epichaos is a topical Epicatechin supplement. This potent antioxidant which occurs naturally in many foods, such as cocoa and tea. Epicatechin naturally promotes a more fit and athletic appearance by limiting the effects of "Myostatin;" a substance produced naturally in the body that can...

www.apex-alchemy.com

Perfect answer

 

[LeanEngineer]

Agreed burnfire covered sustain alpha well! There is more info and reviews at strong supplement shop on sustain alpha if needed.