Natural test boosting, how to do it.

I've tried the other stuff and nothing has worked as well as mono. I don't insulin spike it or anything. I'm not saying that if you take a bunch of sugar that the insulin won't surge the creatine, but I personally don't buy into the insulin spike thing, because I've been using creatine monohydrate for so long without it and it seems to make its way into my muscles just fine.

I use micronized creatine monohydrate. The regular large stuff makes me sick to my stomach.

Monohydrate has the most science behind it, not to mention it is dirt cheap too. Why switch when you already got a win win situation with it ?
 
i am a big fan of formestane, but if you decide to use 6oxo get the bulk powder and a bottle of penetrate. 6 grams added to a bottle of penetrate will give at least a months worth for the price of 1 bottle of 6oxo. plus td is much more effective. btw anagen by it self did very little for me, but stacked with the other stuff it is much more effective. much like your analogy of trib by itself.:duel:
 
6-OXO bottles are ridiculous. (price). I agree,get it bulk and cap it. That's the best way to go.

How does formastane compare to 6-OXO and ATD ? It is somewhere in the middle or something ?
 
ReaperX said:
6-OXO bottles are ridiculous. (price). I agree,get it bulk and cap it. That's the best way to go.

How does formastane compare to 6-OXO and ATD ? It is somewhere in the middle or something ?
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its a better anti-e than atd, a better test and libido booster than 6oxo. it will harden you up 'no pun intended' plus free up test. people have claimed that it actually 'cured' gyno. a formestane/activate cycle was much better than hdx2/massfx/retain2. better for appearance/strength/libido.:thumbsup: add some trib test and it would be amazing. plus the e-form is $15 a bottle, around a months worth depending on dosing.:food: :pizza:
 
thebigt said:
its a better anti-e than atd, a better test and libido booster than 6oxo. it will harden you up 'no pun intended' plus free up test. people have claimed that it actually 'cured' gyno. a formestane/activate cycle was much better than hdx2/massfx/retain2. better for appearance/strength/libido.:thumbsup: add some trib test and it would be amazing. plus the e-form is $15 a bottle, around a months worth depending on dosing.:food: :pizza:
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Def. I'll keep that in mind. You mentioned that it is a better anti-e vs. ATD. how are the side effects from that ? I would automatically assume that dry joints are a given ? Does it also create excessive lethargy ? I can see how tribulus would be beneficial here.
 
ReaperX said:
Def. I'll keep that in mind. You mentioned that it is a better anti-e vs. ATD. how are the side effects from that ? I would automatically assume that dry joints are a given ? Does it also create excessive lethargy ? I can see how tribulus would be beneficial here.
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the only time dry joints were an issue was epi/formestane. as for atd v formestane the form actually increases libido. lethargy is not going to be a problem for most people, personally i want to go lift heavy after using. aggression is more likely a problem than lethargy, but if you have an outlet it can be very usefull. like i said form/activate/trib test is in my opinion a very good stack.:cool:
 
I have been holding this in for far too long and just because of the to-be-mentioned posters arrogant insistance that no one interupt his posts, I HAVE to do just that here and say...

ReaperX you are one arrogant bastard. You're all of 175 pounds soaking wet and play internet guru tough guy. Honestly very few board members anywhere have the attitude you do eventhough hundreds have more experience and real world knowledge...
 
Here we go again...
Why the personal attack? So the guy tends to rub some people the wrong way, maybe lacking humility (or at least etiquette). I continue to approve of his original thinking (even when he's wrong). Can't you just make an intelligent argument against his ideas/statements without resorting to name-calling? AM isn't supposed to be like that -- that's why most of us come here.
 
ImJ2x said:
Here we go again...
Why the personal attack? So the guy tends to rub some people the wrong way, maybe lacking humility (or at least etiquette). I continue to approve of his original thinking (even when he's wrong). Can't you just make an intelligent argument against his ideas/statements without resorting to name-calling? AM isn't supposed to be like that -- that's why most of us come here.
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aah, the voice of reason.:clap2: you've been repped.
 
To quote Will Farrel in Zoolander - "I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!"

I've never once spoke out about a member on any board over the last 7 years but people like Reaper offer nothing to the board besides a sense of self infallibity.

Go lift wieghts and stop trying to be a board nazi. There are SOOOOOO many more knowledgable people and I have never once seen any of them be so condescending.
 
justreading said:
To quote Will Farrel in Zoolander - "I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!"

I've never once spoke out about a member on any board over the last 7 years but people like Reaper offer nothing to the board besides a sense of self infallibity.

Go lift wieghts and stop trying to be a board nazi. There are SOOOOOO many more knowledgable people and I have never once seen any of them be so condescending.
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I already put in a previous post that if you have a problem I suggest you PM me.

Just because I disagree or question popular opinion does not make me condenscending. Just because I may question what everyone seems to believe is true does not make me arrogant. You are the one that is doing all the name calling/accusations. I'd greatly appriciate it if you'd stop making attacks at me and if you want to talk be more respectful. I've said this a million times, if you don't want to read my posts don't. No one is forcing you.

As for nothing to offer sounds like some people are considering my 6-oxo,dt,activate OKkkkkkk ????
 
this is my last post on this subject so don't worry board nazi:

You win because there is nothing anyone can say or do over the internet. You just dont even get it, you can't grant or ask people to do anything without implying power. Your tone always implies that you have some right or power over others on here. If you have this same arrogant tone in person then you are lucky you haven't been beaten up 24/7. I'll let you have your post back now (see how arrogant that sounds?!?!)
 
justreading said:
I have been holding this in for far too long and just because of the to-be-mentioned posters arrogant insistance that no one interupt his posts, I HAVE to do just that here and say...

ReaperX you are one arrogant bastard. You're all of 175 pounds soaking wet and play internet guru tough guy. Honestly very few board members anywhere have the attitude you do eventhough hundreds have more experience and real world knowledge...
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Yea **** reaper....that son of a *****, **** sucker mother ****er peice of ****, ass munchin **** head.......

HAHA....Yea reaper can get on your nerves but he means well. I didnt like him much at first either with the whole Anabolic Pump thing but its cool now, remember Reaper? I respect what he's trying to do. Make people think outside the box with alot of the new products which is helpful, and yes he does sound like and arrogant prick at times. It's hard to get your tone thru on the internet.

Just keep a level head and have civil disccusions and things turn out for the best. As far as I know he respects what I do and where I come from and it helps both of us be a better rounded individual in the supp nation.

Back to the stack. I spoke in length witgh Dr.D for months about TD form + Activate and I think this would be an outstanding Test booster. I have always liked Trib because it works well for me. It would be a great in-expensive add on to this test boosting stack. I'm def going to try it next summer to stay lean and strong.
 
Distilled Water said:
Back to the stack. I spoke in length witgh Dr.D for months about TD form + Activate and I think this would be an outstanding Test booster. I have always liked Trib because it works well for me. It would be a great in-expensive add on to this test boosting stack. I'm def going to try it next summer to stay lean and strong.
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See -- here's the reason I hope the mods don't close this thread. I'm very much interested in the actual topic of the thread. Thanks Water.
 
I am thinking I like the sound of Resveratrol/Activate/Form/ANs new Drive. This sound like a kick to the old balls to me. Yeah, and even Reapers stack sounds good.

One Reaper- He is just 23, give him some time he'll come around. He rubbed me wrong by telling me to eat and train in one of my posts and I had been doing that when he was 6 years old playing with Ninja Turtles. But, I think he meant well. Remember guys, sometimes its good to police your own, before someone bigger than you has to get involved and then its bad for everyone. This board belongs to all of us, we make the board, lets take care of it and each other.
 
1: J Ethnopharmacol. 2005 Oct 3;101(1-3):319-23. Links
The aphrodisiac herb Tribulus terrestris does not influence the androgen production in young men.Neychev VK, Mitev VI.
Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry, Medical University, 2 Zdrave str., Sofia-1431, Bulgaria. [email protected]

OBJECTIVE: The aim of the current study is to investigate the influence of Tribulus terrestris extract on androgen metabolism in young males. DESIGN AND METHODS: Twenty-one healthy young 20-36 years old men with body weight ranging from 60 to 125 kg were randomly separated into three groups-two experimental (each n=7) and a control (placebo) one (n=7). The experimental groups were named TT1 and TT2 and the subjects were assigned to consume 20 and 10 mg/kg body weight per day of Tribulus terrestris extract, respectively, separated into three daily intakes for 4 weeks. Testosterone, androstenedione and luteinizing hormone levels in the serum were measured 24 h before supplementation (clear probe), and at 24, 72, 240, 408 and 576 h from the beginning of the supplementation. RESULTS: There was no significant difference between Tribulus terrestris supplemented groups and controls in the serum testosterone (TT1 (mean+/-S.D.: 15.75+/-1.75 nmol/l); TT2 (mean+/-S.D.: 16.32+/-1.57 nmol/l); controls (mean+/-S.D.: 17.74+/-1.09 nmol/l) (p>0.05)), androstenedione (TT1 (mean+/-S.D.: 1.927+/-0.126 ng/ml); TT2 (mean+/-S.D.: 2.026+/-0.256 ng/ml); controls (mean+/-S.D.: 1.952+/-0.236 ng/ml) (p>0.05)) or luteinizing hormone (TT1 (mean+/-S.D.: 4.662+/-0.274U/l); TT2 (mean+/-S.D.: 4.103+/-0.869U/l); controls (mean+/-S.D.: 4.170+/-0.406U/l) (p>0.05)) levels. All results were within the normal range. The findings in the current study anticipate that Tribulus terrestris steroid saponins possess neither direct nor indirect androgen-increasing properties. The study will be extended in the clarifying the probable mode of action of Tribulus terrestris steroid saponins.

PMID: 15994038 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Related LinksEffect of Tribulus terrestris on nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide phosphate-diaphorase activity and androgen receptors in rat brain. [J Ethnopharmacol. 2005]Endocrine and lipid responses to chronic androstenediol-herbal supplementation in 30 to 58 year old men. [J Am Coll Nutr. 2001]Effects of anabolic precursors on serum testosterone concentrations and adaptations to resistance training in young men. [Int J Sport Nutr Exerc Metab. 2000]Aphrodisiac properties of Tribulus Terrestris extract (Protodioscin) in normal and castrated rats. [Life Sci. 2002]The effect of five weeks of Tribulus terrestris supplementation on muscle strength and body composition during preseason training in elite rugby league players. [J Strength Cond Res. 2007]See all Related Articles...
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Reaper-
Could you please clarify for me where you confirmed trib to boost LH?
 
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Now increase libido/erectile function through increased nitric oxide, that argument I can see.

my conclusion: use trib for sexual dysfunction not to raise test
 
jasonschaffin said:
Reaper-
Could you please clarify for me where you confirmed trib to boost LH?
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Thats a weak dose of Trib IMO,1200-2500mg. I usually start @ 3,000mg and work my way up every 10days then taper down the last 10days.

Also whats the % extract of the saponins? I beleive I've seen anything under 45% isn't very valuable. I'm pretty sure i saw atleast 2 studies that had showen it had an effect on LH, nothing huge but a positive impact and I'll try and find it.
 
Distilled Water said:
Thats a weak dose of Trib IMO,1200-2500mg. I usually start @ 3,000mg and work my way up every 10days then taper down the last 10days.

Also whats the % extract of the saponins? I beleive I've seen anything under 45% isn't very valuable. I'm pretty sure i saw atleast 2 studies that had showen it had an effect on LH, nothing huge but a positive impact and I'll try and find it.
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Please bring on the studies, I love studies.:duel: Obviously I have no idea on the percent extract but, assuming you believe the marketing bulgarian trib is the best and this study was done by bulgarians, :icon_lol:
 
I don't know off the top of my head where I've seen the study of tribulus affecting LH levels, but I will take a look for it. As distilled water stated, I also saw 2 of these studies at some point. The potentcy/percentage extract also is necessary.

the tribulus I've used was 60% furostanol sapoinins and 20% protodiocin.

people discredit tribulus b/c they say it has not worked for them. I'll believe it b/c they probably used a lousy extract. The problem with herbal extracts in general is if the certain percentages are not met then it fails to really deliver results.

I don't know a large amount about tribulus. You'd have to ask chuck for further detail.

and yes despite the popular belief, I don't 'will' any bad to anyone. If there is something I said ok then, but I don't appriciate people deducing some type of genre or mindset about me by putting words in my mouth and making up stuff.
 
I would love for chuck to come in with his studies showing trib raises LH. I think CD makes awesome products. I just don't think it is the Trib in DTH that has anything to do with the hormonal changes, it is a bunch of the other ingredients. Trib probably helps with the libido increase though. I know you don't like showing your studies Chuck Diesel but everyone uses trib in their product so no one is gonna steal that idea from you. Could you show us?
 
Chuck's product isn't just the tribulus, it utilizes other ingredients, herbal/mineral for optimization.


Personally I don't respond to Long Jack, I don't care what extract it is it really does not work for me. My 2 favorite herbal extracts are: Tribulus and Urtica Dioca...love it.

Cissus probably comes in 3rd.


I could be wrong about tribulus, I don't know specifically about it and I don't claim I do. At any rate, the alcohol and LH increase (in my theory) still applies to re-start the HPTA.
 
ReaperX said:
*If you really want to boost your test the best combo is my ReaperX stack:

6-OXO: 6 caps/ED (180 caps total)
ActivaTe: 6 caps/ED (120 caps total)
Diesel Test 2010: 5 tablets/ED (120 caps total)


I don't know about 6-OXO extreme or Activate extreme, but just use the old version and try it out. It'll add atleast 5-7lbs. I've seen 5 of my friends try this set-up with those gains and I have another currently using this stack as well. I'm not going to guarantee those gains, but they seem to be extremely consistant.



I have yet to see a more effective NATURAL combo put on weight consistantly like the one above.
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And by the way doesn't this seem like an expensive/overkill stack. 6-OXO itself has proven to raise test and free test. Activate raises free test. DTH has shown to raise test and free test. You can only raise test and free test so much I would think and even with bulk 6-OXO your looking at $100/month. You could get by on half that couldn't you?
 
jasonschaffin said:
I would love for chuck to come in with his studies showing trib raises LH. I think CD makes awesome products. I just don't think it is the Trib in DTH that has anything to do with the hormonal changes, it is a bunch of the other ingredients. Trib probably helps with the libido increase though. I know you don't like showing your studies Chuck Diesel but everyone uses trib in their product so no one is gonna steal that idea from you. Could you show us?
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Quoted by ReaperX:Chuck's product isn't just the tribulus, it utilizes other ingredients, herbal/mineral for optimization
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I know :icon_lol: :duel:
 
So you guys agree -- great.
But does anyone disagree? In other words, why did Chuck put trib in DTH -- just for the libido boost, or just to sell it to people who believe trib does raise test (which may or may not include Chuck)?
 
ReaperX said:
At any rate, the alcohol and LH increase (in my theory) still applies to re-start the HPTA.
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Pharmacol Biochem Behav. 1980;13 Suppl 1:131-7.Links
Hormonal changes during alcohol intoxication and withdrawal.Ylikahri RH, Huttunen MO, Härkönen M.
The endocrine effects of alcohol are briefly reviewed. Alcohol enhances glucose-induced insulin secretion and may thus cause reactive hypoglycemia. However, inappropriate insulin secretion is not the reason for alcohol-induced hypoglycemia in fasted subjects. The direct effects of alcohol in thyroid function in humans are small, although alcoholics often have low concentrations of thyroid hormones in their plasma because of liver damage. Alcohol increases cortisol secretion from adrenal cortex either by increasing ACTH secretion or, more probably, by directly stimulating the adrenals. Alcohol also increases aldosterone secretion. The production of epinephrine and norepinephrine by the adrenal medulla is increased during alcohol intoxication and withdrawal. Plasma testosterone concentration is decreased during hangover and during alcohol withdrawal. The decrease is due to direct effects of alcohol on the testes, because plasma LH concentration is increased simultaneously. Alcohol has no significant effect on the LRH-induced secretion of LH. Plasma growth hormone concentration is decreased during alcohol intoxication and increased during hangover. TRH-induced secretion of prolactin is increased during alcohol intoxication and inhibited during hangover and withdrawal. The last finding suggests that there is dopaminergic overactivity in hypothalamus during alcohol withdrawal.

PMID: 7017756 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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So we should increase cortisol, increase estrogen, and decrease testosterone just for an LH boost. Even though the LH boost still isn't going to increase testosterone?
Please further explain.
And I won't even go into the fact that PCT is also for your liver...
 
ImJ2x said:
So you guys agree -- great.
But does anyone disagree? In other words, why did Chuck put trib in DTH -- just for the libido boost, or just to sell it to people who believe trib does raise test (which may or may not include Chuck)?
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Actually read the post over silly:trout: . We disagree. I am saying trib does nothing for test. I want Chuck's studies on trib.:study:
 
My theory was that LH increase will help regenerate atophy of the testicles.

As I stated before, I didn't say it was the best approach and yes, HCG is a much better options. My theory was due to the nature of alcohol and its influence upon the body, that the LH increase due to the alcohol within the person's system will help re-start testicular function. The method in which HCG works is that it mimics LH. Alcohol once put in the system will cause the body to naturally increase LH (in respect to many other thing).

I've said it before and I'll say it again. I didn't say it was the best approach. I did NOT recommend it either. (Still with me ?). Furthermore, I did not say either it is without side effects (damage on the liver, estrogen increase,etc ,etc).

My mere mention was that it would work, and yes other things would occur as well as a natural side effect of alcohol.

I don't understand why some people don't comprehend that this is just a theory that I have. Instead they'd rather treat it like it is a 'NEW OPTION' for PCT which I never stated it was.
 
This is the 50 cent synopsis:

You do a heavy steroid cycle. your balls are gone. you are doing your post cycle therapy SERM requirements. (your balls are still shrunk). If you were to do nothing else but follow your diet, train, use SERMs, etc, etc and drink alcohol will your balls come back ? My guess is yes, they will.


I didn't address estrogen, insulin sensitivity, (whatever else you guys are bring up as an issue).
 
Now here is an old study on the short term effects of alcohol
J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 1978 May;46(5):715-20.Links
Acute effects of alcohol on anterior pituitary secretion of the tropic hormones.Ylikahri RH, Huttunen MO, Härkönen M, Leino T, Helenius T, Liewendahl K, Karonen SL.
The plasma or serum concentrations of GH, TSH, LH, PRL, testosterone, cortisol, T4, and T3, and the values of the T3 uptake test were monitored in 12 healthy male volunteers for a period of 20 h after administration of one large dose of ethanol (1.5 g/kg BW). The effects of TRH and LRH on the secretion of TSH, PRL, and LH were studied in these subjects once during the period of acute alcohol intoxication (4 h after the start of drinking) and once during the hangover period (14 h after the start of drinking). Each subject served as his own control by drinking water only during another experimental session. Alcohol had no significant effect on basal concentrations of GH, TSH, LH, T4, T3, or testosterone. The concentration of cortisol in plasma was elevated during the whole 20-h period after ingestion of alcohol, as compared with the control values. Alcohol also did not significantly alter the effects of TRH and LRH on plasma TSH and LH levels at 4 and 14 h. During the hangover period, the PRL response to TRH was totally blocked, but during alcohol intoxication, there was a slight increase in the PRL response to TRH. The lack of response of PRL to TRH during the hangover suggests that withdrawal symptoms are associated with increased dopaminergic activity in the hypothalamus.

PMID: 122287 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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ReaperX said:
My theory was that LH increase will help regenerate atophy of the testicles.

As I stated before, I didn't say it was the best approach and yes, HCG is a much better options. My theory was due to the nature of alcohol and its influence upon the body, that the LH increase due to the alcohol within the person's system will help re-start testicular function. The method in which HCG works is that it mimics LH. Alcohol once put in the system will cause the body to naturally increase LH (in respect to many other thing).

I've said it before and I'll say it again. I didn't say it was the best approach. I did NOT recommend it either. (Still with me ?). Furthermore, I did not say either it is without side effects (damage on the liver, estrogen increase,etc ,etc).

My mere mention was that it would work, and yes other things would occur as well as a natural side effect of alcohol.

I don't understand why some people don't comprehend that this is just a theory that I have. Instead they'd rather treat it like it is a 'NEW OPTION' for post cycle therapy which I never stated it was.
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But the increase in LH from HCG also increases Testosterone. Stil with me there? I don't think it will help, just my .02 against your .02 though.
 
1: Acta Physiol Scand. 1975 Dec;95(4):400-6.Links
Secretion of anterior pituitary hormones in man: effects of ethyl alcohol.Leppäluoto J, Rapeli M, Varis R, Ranta T.
The possibility that previously described effects of ethyl alcohol on peripheral endocrine glands might be mediated via pituitary prompted this investigation on the effects of ethanol on anterior pituitary secretion. Nine healthy male subjects were given beverage containing ethanol (1.5 g/kg) or beverage alone per os in a randomized cross-over study and plasma ACTH, FSH, GH, LH and TSH were measured by specific radioimmunoassays up to 15 h and the urinary levels of adrenaline and noradrenaline by fluorometry. A combined LRF and TRF test was also carried out in similar series of experiments. During the whole experiment there were no significant differences in the plasma levels of ACTH, FSH and TSH or in the urinary levels of adrenaline and noradrenaline between ethanol treated and control subjects. Plasma FSH, LH and TSH responses to LRF and TRF stimulation were also similar in alcohol treated and control subjects. Plasma ACTH values were high (113-270 pg/ml) both in control and ethanol experiment suggesting that the subjects experienced apprehension toward the experiment. Plasma GH level exhibited a non-sleep related burst in the late evening (from 0.4 ng/ml at 6 p.m. to 3.1 ng/ml at 10 p.m., p less than 0.01). This increase was not seen after alcohol ingestion (p less than 0.01). Plasma LH levels were significantly lower after 6 and 13 h in alcohol treated subjects than in controls (65 vs. 106 ng/ml, p less than 0.01 and 74 vs. 121 ng/ml, p less than 0.05 respectively). Because ethanol had no effect on the resting level of plasma GH or on the LH response to LRF, WE SUggest that ethanol exerts these effects on a suprapituitary site.

PMID: 174388 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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And then this one even has bad news for LH
 
I reviewed several reports on alcohol effects on LH/FSH/LRLH.

The long-term effect is correct. LH does become inhibited and testosterone continues to be supressed. The study that I read awhile back stated that there was a slight increase in LH, but after the second week of drinking there was no longer additional secretion of LH upon alcohol ingestion.

So my theory is probably not going to work ,due to the short period of time alcohol affects LH a positive manner prior to going downhill. Fair enough.
 
Lanbane said:
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I based my theory off a study I read back in my undergrad years regarding LH/alcohol. After reading jason's articles, I re-dug my material that I had from college + researched further on the internet. Yes, LH/test become inhibited long-term, but INTITIALLY, the LH secretion is present.
 
very entertaining/informative log-keep it up:food: :pizza:
 
ReaperX said:
I based my theory off a study I read back in my undergrad years regarding LH/alcohol. After reading jason's articles, I re-dug my material that I had from college + researched further on the internet. Yes, LH/test become inhibited long-term, but INTITIALLY, the LH secretion is present.
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Actually I'm not even sure you can say that. In some of the studies it is there initially but in some it is not. Moral of the story do not use alcohol for HPTA recovery. (Who really was anyways?)
 
i havent drank in 13 years, but i can honestly say that when i got drunk my desire was there but performance wasnt. the next morning however i was randy as a goat. but i agree drinking while on pct would be a misnomer. on a side note-never take tylenol for a hangover or while drinking, you only have one liver.:drunk:
 
JJC said:
Get over yourself already. Oh wait, you'd probably have to stop taking glamour shots of yourself in the mirror before you can do that...
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I think your tone / attitude is not going to help any situation here. Perhaps give your point of view without taking unneccessary digs at ReaperX. If you don't like him or his thread please feel free to GTFO or alternatively give your opinion, which you are also entitled to, on why you don't think this works or whatever.

Let's keep the shallow content to a minimum

Much Love,

Neoborn
 
ReaperX said:
the tribulus I've used was 60% furostanol sapoinins and 20% protodiocin.

people discredit tribulus b/c they say it has not worked for them. I'll believe it b/c they probably used a lousy extract. The problem with herbal extracts in general is if the certain percentages are not met then it fails to really deliver results.
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I have used a couple Trib products:

1. Ultimate Nutrition Trib

2. Tribostan

I used both but had an effect with Ultimate Nutrition. Libido was off the hook. Tribostan ....meh. All hype no effect for me. I think Trib prducs are hit and miss, some work for some and others for um others :D

I thought the highest grade was 80%/20%

This was just my experience of it though.

Much Love,

Neoborn
 
So what is the best/most potent trib product you guys would recommend, if price were no object?
 
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Well I tried the most expensive one as far as I know and it didn't do sh1t even max dosing it. I would choose ultimate nutrition again.
 
Fadogia Agrestis works in rats. What about ppl?

If money was an object, I think the best bang for your buck is Now Foods brand Tribulus. It's 1 gram per capsule and there are 90 caps per bottle and you should be able to find it easily at 10.00 or less per bottle.

I must admit, tribulus and horny goat weed do wonders for your wang, even if you don't have any ED issues to begin with. I am dissappointed that it doesn't actually raise testosterone levels though.

What about Fadogia Agrestis? Anthony Roberts is hawking it in Myogenx. I haven't heard anyone even mention it. I don't think Anthony Roberts is god's gift to man, but at least he tries the **** he writes about. Outside of needing to dose higher for better results, there does appear to be studies to back it up. The only downside I've heard is some people get the runs, but I would thinking stacking a bit of ginger root with that would fix the issue.

Study:
Asian J Androl. 2005 Dec;7(4):399-404. Related Articles, Books


Aphrodisiac potentials of the aqueous extract of Fadogia agrestis (Schweinf. Ex Hiern) stem in male albino rats.

Yakubu MT, Akanji MA, Oladiji AT.

Medicinal Plants Research Laboratory, Department of Biochemistry, University of Ilorin, PMB 1515, Ilorin, Nigeria. Tel: +234-803-3578-658, Fax: +234-31-221-593; E-mail: [email protected].

Aim: To evaluate the phytochemical constituents and the aphrodisiac potential of the aqueous extract of Fadogia agrestis (Rubiaceae) stem in male albino rats. Methods: The aqueous stem extract of the plant was screened for phytochemical constituents. Male rats were orally dosed with 18 mg/kg, 50 mg/kg and 100 mg/kg body weight, respectively, of the extract at 24 h intervals and their sexual behavior parameters and serum testosterone concentration were evaluated at days 1, 3 and 5. Results: Phytochemical screening revealed the presence of alkaloids and saponins while anthraquinones and flavonoids are weakly present. All the doses resulted in significant increase in mount frequency, intromission frequency and significantly prolonged the ejaculatory latency (P 0.05) and reduced mount and intromission latency (P 0.05). There was also a significant increase in serum testosterone concentrations in all the groups in a manner suggestive of dose-dependence (P 0.05). Conclusion: The aqueous extract of Fadogia agrestis stem increased the blood testosterone concentrations and this may be the mechanism responsible for its aphrodisiac effects and various masculine behaviors. It may be used to modify impaired sexual functions in animals, especially those arising from hypotestosteronemia.

PMID: 16281088 [PubMed - in process]




Here is the Testosterone Assay results...

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The administration of various doses of the plant extract resulted in a significant increase in serum testosterone concentration throughout the period of administration (P < 0.05). The various doses (18 mg/kg, 50 mg/kg and 100 mg/kg body weight) produced two-, three- and six-fold increases compared with the control by the end of the experimental period (Figure 6).

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nphocus said:
If money was an object, I think the best bang for your buck is Now Foods brand Tribulus. It's 1 gram per capsule and there are 90 caps per bottle and you should be able to find it easily at 10.00 or less per bottle.

I must admit, tribulus and horny goat weed do wonders for your wang, even if you don't have any ED issues to begin with. I am dissappointed that it doesn't actually raise testosterone levels though.

What about Fadogia Agrestis? Anthony Roberts is hawking it in Myogenx. I haven't heard anyone even mention it. I don't think Anthony Roberts is god's gift to man, but at least he tries the **** he writes about. Outside of needing to dose higher for better results, there does appear to be studies to back it up. The only downside I've heard is some people get the runs, but I would thinking stacking a bit of ginger root with that would fix the issue.

Study:
Asian J Androl. 2005 Dec;7(4):399-404. Related Articles, Books


Aphrodisiac potentials of the aqueous extract of Fadogia agrestis (Schweinf. Ex Hiern) stem in male albino rats.

Yakubu MT, Akanji MA, Oladiji AT.

Medicinal Plants Research Laboratory, Department of Biochemistry, University of Ilorin, PMB 1515, Ilorin, Nigeria. Tel: +234-803-3578-658, Fax: +234-31-221-593; E-mail: [email protected].

Aim: To evaluate the phytochemical constituents and the aphrodisiac potential of the aqueous extract of Fadogia agrestis (Rubiaceae) stem in male albino rats. Methods: The aqueous stem extract of the plant was screened for phytochemical constituents. Male rats were orally dosed with 18 mg/kg, 50 mg/kg and 100 mg/kg body weight, respectively, of the extract at 24 h intervals and their sexual behavior parameters and serum testosterone concentration were evaluated at days 1, 3 and 5. Results: Phytochemical screening revealed the presence of alkaloids and saponins while anthraquinones and flavonoids are weakly present. All the doses resulted in significant increase in mount frequency, intromission frequency and significantly prolonged the ejaculatory latency (P 0.05) and reduced mount and intromission latency (P 0.05). There was also a significant increase in serum testosterone concentrations in all the groups in a manner suggestive of dose-dependence (P 0.05). Conclusion: The aqueous extract of Fadogia agrestis stem increased the blood testosterone concentrations and this may be the mechanism responsible for its aphrodisiac effects and various masculine behaviors. It may be used to modify impaired sexual functions in animals, especially those arising from hypotestosteronemia.

PMID: 16281088 [PubMed - in process]




Here is the Testosterone Assay results...

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3.3 Serum testosterone

The administration of various doses of the plant extract resulted in a significant increase in serum testosterone concentration throughout the period of administration (P < 0.05). The various doses (18 mg/kg, 50 mg/kg and 100 mg/kg body weight) produced two-, three- and six-fold increases compared with the control by the end of the experimental period (Figure 6).

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