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SlavicStrong

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I've been recommended that I should buy a natural anabolic numerous times on Anabolic Minds, any thoughts on a teen using them? They look safe, and I've been told they are safe for teen use, so any additional thoughts? Recommendations? I remember being recommended Anabeta Elite.
 
SlavicStrong said:
I've been recommended that I should buy a natural anabolic numerous times on Anabolic Minds, any thoughts on a teen using them? They look safe, and I've been told they are safe for teen use, so any additional thoughts? Recommendations? I remember being recommended Anabeta Elite.
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They're only useful to you if your diet is 100% in check. You might get tired of seeing me say this, but I am sure others will say the exact same thing. If your diet isn't in check, no supplement will ever help you. Count your macros until you get good at eyeballing, then you can say your diet is "pretty good".

ArA
PA
Anabeta Elite
Epicatechin
 
ma70 said:
They're only useful to you if your diet is 100% in check. You might get tired of seeing me say this, but I am sure others will say the exact same thing. If your diet isn't in check, no supplement will ever help you. Count your macros until you get good at eyeballing, then you can say your diet is "pretty good".

ArA
PA
Anabeta Elite
Epicatechin
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I took your advice, I didn't count all my macros, but I counted calories and protein. For one given day I got about 2,800, had to round, couldn't get the exact amount of calories. This isn't bad, but it's not great imo, so I'm trying to eat more. I also ate a little bit more than my bodyweight in protein, which is at 198. Also, I'm 16.
 
SlavicStrong said:
I took your advice, I didn't count all my macros, but I counted calories and protein. For one given day I got about 2,800, had to round, couldn't get the exact amount of calories. This isn't bad, but it's not great imo, so I'm trying to eat more. I also ate a little bit more than my bodyweight in protein, which is at 198. Also, I'm 16.
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At 16, just stick to diet and creatine. I wouldn't spend money on anything fancy
 
SlavicStrong said:
Just curious in natural anabolics, since they've been recommended to me numerous times on the forums.
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Epicatechin and laxogenin seem to be the most popular of the bunch. I haven't used either as I still question how "anabolic" they are, so I wouldn't be a good person to really help you here.
 
SNS X-gels, OL tr1umph, and CEL EPI-PLEX. Great stack from quality companies used by many on this forum.
 
SlavicStrong said:
I took your advice, I didn't count all my macros, but I counted calories and protein. For one given day I got about 2,800, had to round, couldn't get the exact amount of calories. This isn't bad, but it's not great imo, so I'm trying to eat more. I also ate a little bit more than my bodyweight in protein, which is at 198. Also, I'm 16.
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Do you know how much calories maintain your weight? Eat the same thing every day for 1 week and figure it out. If you maintain weight, you've found maintenance calories.
 
SlavicStrong said:
Just curious in natural anabolics, since they've been recommended to me numerous times on the forums.
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You're young and your diet (and arguably your training) is sub-par. The only people who would bother to recommend these kinds of things to you are usually working at supplement companies. Ignore them and don't waste your cash unless you've got everything else down.
 
ma70 said:
You're young and your diet (and arguably your training) is sub-par. The only people who would bother to recommend these kinds of things to you are usually working at supplement companies. Ignore them and don't waste your cash unless you've got everything else down.
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For my training, I am most likely going to keep with the chest/tricep sort of split. Chest/bicep just felt weird, and I could say that when I do chest/tricep, my tricep pump is better than if I do it solo on another day. As for Epicatechin, what brand seems to be the most popular?
 
SlavicStrong said:
I took your advice, I didn't count all my macros, but I counted calories and protein. For one given day I got about 2,800, had to round, couldn't get the exact amount of calories. This isn't bad, but it's not great imo, so I'm trying to eat more. I also ate a little bit more than my bodyweight in protein, which is at 198. Also, I'm 16.
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Google "TDEE calculator", enter your stats on a few of them, record the numbers, average them out and go from there. At your age and your size, with your goals, you're definitely going to want more calories and more protein if you want optimum results. Milk, tuna, Almonds, Greek yogurt and peanut butter are all a huge part of my daily diet as "snacks". None of these need to be prepared, they're relatively inexpensive and they're tasty. (Just a few ideas to help get your diet set up)

As for natural anabolics on a budget, PA in the form of Soy Lecithin granules is going to be your easiest option because as you said in another thread, you don't have a credit card to order offline and if you look around and look hard enough you'll be able to find Soy Lecithin granules in store. I'm a huge believer in Tr1umph by OL, it has almost all the staples you could ask for along with a solid dose of PA.

I've gotten great results from Epicatechin products (CEL Epi-plex, OL Ep1c Unleashed and I'm currently running BLR FD2.)
Alphamax XT and Xgels (ArA) also yielded good results, especially vascularity.

Or1gin by OL has been getting great feedback and I have a few bottles I might dig into here soon.

As you mentinned before ABE is also popular one on the forum, I have no experience using it so I can't speak but it certainly has a good profile.

Are you getting a bank account/debit card set up or are you still limited to items available in store?
 
SlavicStrong said:
For my training, I am most likely going to keep with the chest/tricep sort of split. Chest/bicep just felt weird, and I could say that when I do chest/tricep, my tricep pump is better than if I do it solo on another day. As for Epicatechin, what brand seems to be the most popular?
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What do you mean by a chest/tricep split? You mean a push/pull/legs routine? PPL routines are fine, assuming they're properly balanced and the progression is appropriate for your experience level. I highly suggest you center your workout around big compound lifts, and make sure you're balancing push with pull. Is there a particular program that you're following?
 
JPARKS42 said:
Google "TDEE calculator", enter your stats on a few of them, record the numbers, average them out and go from there. At your age and your size, with your goals, you're definitely going to want more calories and more protein if you want optimum results. Milk, tuna, Almonds, Greek yogurt and peanut butter are all a huge part of my daily diet as "snacks". None of these need to be prepared, they're relatively inexpensive and they're tasty. (Just a few ideas to help get your diet set up)

As for natural anabolics on a budget, PA in the form of Soy Lecithin granules is going to be your easiest option because as you said in another thread, you don't have a credit card to order offline and if you look around and look hard enough you'll be able to find Soy Lecithin granules in store. I'm a huge believer in Tr1umph by OL, it has almost all the staples you could ask for along with a solid dose of PA.

I've gotten great results from Epicatechin products (CEL Epi-plex, OL Ep1c Unleashed and I'm currently running BLR FD2.)
Alphamax XT and Xgels (ArA) also yielded good results, especially vascularity.

Or1gin by OL has been getting great feedback and I have a few bottles I might dig into here soon.

As you mentinned before ABE is also popular one on the forum, I have no experience using it so I can't speak but it certainly has a good profile.

Are you getting a bank account/debit card set up or are you still limited to items available in store?
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Usually if I want something online, I need to ask my dad. However, my dad doesn't really trust supplements, and he likes to research them before I buy them, to make sure they're safe. And yeah, I do a PPL routine. For compound lifts, I have been neglecting deadlift for months, so I am getting back into it, I was shocked to see how much weaker I was on my deadlift after not doing it for so long, I am doing squats, and currently I am not benching, instead I am dumbbell pressing, to improve my overall bench strength, and to get both chests and arms as equally strong as I can.
 
SlavicStrong said:
Usually if I want something online, I need to ask my dad. However, my dad doesn't really trust supplements, and he likes to research them before I buy them, to make sure they're safe. And yeah, I do a PPL routine. For compound lifts, I have been neglecting deadlift for months, so I am getting back into it, I was shocked to see how much weaker I was on my deadlift after not doing it for so long, I am doing squats, and currently I am not benching, instead I am dumbbell pressing, to improve my overall bench strength, and to get both chests and arms as equally strong as I can.
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Nothing wrong with subbing dumbbell press (or incline press or OHP) for bench as your main press, assuming you're not a powerlifter. Squats and deads sort of work as accessories for each other too, so since you've been squatting, deads will probably come along nicely once you get the form down. I'd probably add some big row variation too (preferably a horizontal and a vertical row, so say BOR and pull-ups, but at the very least a horizontal row).
 
VO2Maxima said:
Nothing wrong with subbing dumbbell press (or incline press or OHP) for bench as your main press, assuming you're not a powerlifter. Squats and deads sort of work as accessories for each other too, so since you've been squatting, deads will probably come along nicely once you get the form down. I'd probably add some big row variation too (preferably a horizontal and a vertical row, so say BOR and pull-ups, but at the very least a horizontal row).
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I am still going really light on deadlift, only 135, I am still trying to perfect my form before I move up in weight. I was never strong on the deadlift, maybe 225 for 8 when I was actually into it, so I want to strengthen it. As Arnold said "expose your weaknesses". Not afraid of being made fun of either for a weak deadlift, I know I'll get my numbers up fast. For dumbbell benchpress, I did 80 pounds on each arm for 10 reps, and for squat I feel I have not been progressing too much, so I am going down to 205, where, I'm sure I'll hit 8 reps, then I'll go up to 215, try to get 8, and so on.
 
InItForGainz said:
How are you finding/liking the FD2?
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(Disclaimer: I'm only on day 18 of my 60 day/2 bottle run)
Loving it so far, in the midst of a lean bulk. At this point: endurance is through the roof, muscles are very full and vascularity is definitely up. I feel stronger as well. I'm aware that these are all also symptoms of the caloric surplus and increase in carbs but I can definitely feel the FD2. I'd have to say my favorite part of epi products and also the most prominent effect is the endurance. I feel like the energizer bunny during 2 hour lifting sessions (I also work a physically demanding job on the railroad 8-14 hours a day)
Bottom line: I'm incredibly pleased at this point.
I'd like to do the full run solo for the sake of seeing what it's capable of but I've got two bottles of Or1gin (as well as 2 Test1fy and 2 Kingsblood) so I'm thinking about stacking on the Or1gin to help my appetite. My current plan is to keep the "lean bulk" going on until April or May and then once it's time to cut I think I might run the FD2 again.
 
Thanks for answering. Repped :)

I've read in some reviews that it's got some serious GDA/Nutrient Partitioning power, how are you finding it in regards to that and how well you're handling bigger meals/more carbs?
 
SlavicStrong said:
There's a ton of natural anabolics, still unsure at which one I should look up in more detail.
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Bro you've posted alot lately about supplements, knowledge is great, but you're young af. Do everything you can with all the powerful hormones of a 16 year old & use creatine at most. If progress has slowed it because that's normal in someone who has lifted for more than 1 year.
 
Tylerclee said:
Bro you've posted alot lately about supplements, knowledge is great, but you're young af. Do everything you can with all the powerful hormones of a 16 year old & use creatine at most. If progress has slowed it because that's normal in someone who has lifted for more than 1 year.
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I don't use too many supplements, just protein powder, creatine, and bio-gro for recovery, along with krill oil and a multivitamin. I'm aware most supplements are a scam, but, even with people knowing my age, they've still recommended me a natural anabolic.
 
SlavicStrong said:
I don't use too many supplements, just protein powder, creatine, and bio-gro for recovery, along with krill oil and a multivitamin. I'm aware most supplements are a scam, but, even with people knowing my age, they've still recommended me a natural anabolic.
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I'm just saying that most "natural" supplements are to naturally help hormones get like they were when you were 16 lol
 
SlavicStrong said:
Maybe..but if I was to get a natural anabolic, they are safe for teens, yes? That's the most important question. I am using bio-gro for recovery right now, and it helps A LOT.
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Placebo effect is strong bruh. So your saying you've noticed increases in muscle soreness?
 
SlavicStrong said:
Seems ABE does effect hormones in a way, so maybe not the best.
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Increasing glycogen storage is something that hormones can't provide (I think). That is a benefit of ABE. That's probably the only benefit you can receive from ABE, although I don't know much about it.
 
Tylerclee said:
Increasing glycogen storage is something that hormones can't provide (I think). That is a benefit of ABE. That's probably the only benefit you can receive from ABE, although I don't know much about it.
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ABE has a lot of positive reviews, it's currently one natural anabolic I'm researching right now.
 
At 16 you don't need anything other then proper nutrition, training, and sleep. Nothing natural is going to help more then those three.
 
stock28 said:
At 16 you don't need anything other then proper nutrition, training, and sleep. Nothing natural is going to help more then those three.
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Exactly, not to mention PEScience will not recommend you a product if you're under the age of 18. Stick with creatine monohydrate
 
Synapsin said:
At 16, just stick to diet and creatine. I wouldn't spend money on anything fancy
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Tylerclee said:
Bro you've posted alot lately about supplements, knowledge is great, but you're young af. Do everything you can with all the powerful hormones of a 16 year old & use creatine at most. If progress has slowed it because that's normal in someone who has lifted for more than 1 year.
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Tylerclee said:
IMO yes. Don't get me wrong, I love supplements but man make a supplement savings now. When you get a little older you will be glad you did.
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stock28 said:
At 16 you don't need anything other then proper nutrition, training, and sleep. Nothing natural is going to help more then those three.
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Synapsin said:
Exactly, not to mention PEScience will not recommend you a product if you're under the age of 18. Stick with creatine monohydrate
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This just about sums up what this thread should be about. You should really take the advice and avoid supplements right now because they would be a waste of money for you.
 
Agreed with some of the above statements. At 16 no need for natural anabolics. Just eat and grow at that age.
 
SlavicStrong said:
Just curious in natural anabolics, since they've been recommended to me numerous times on the forums.
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Natural anabolic for you and your age:
-lot of good and clean food (you still grow)
-good workout routine
-enough rest/sleep

You actually dont need any supplements at all!
 
Danes said:
Natural anabolic for you and your age:
-lot of good and clean food (you still grow)
-good workout routine
-enough rest/sleep

You actually dont need any supplements at all!
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Okay, so you a natural anabolic will do nothing for me? The same effectiveness as a pill filled with water combined with the placebo effect?
Tylerclee And ABE has a lot of positive reviews in general, and I am assuming most, if not all are from adults.
 
SlavicStrong said:
Okay, so you a natural anabolic will do nothing for me? The same effectiveness as a pill filled with water combined with the placebo effect?
Tylerclee And ABE has a lot of positive reviews in general, and I am assuming most, if not all are from adults.
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You are not hearing us. At 16 years old, you are more anabolic than most of us here. I'm 27 and I wish I was your age again making gains like that. Don't waste your money if you don't need to. We all want/need the advantage because our progress isn't as easy as a young person like you.
 
ma70 said:
You are not hearing us. At 16 years old, you are more anabolic than most of us here. I'm 27 and I wish I was your age again making gains like that. Don't waste your money if you don't need to. We all want/need the advantage because our progress isn't as easy as a young person like you.
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I wish I was 16 again and had the same knowledge as I have now. I would just focus on food, workout routine and rest/sleep and not throwing my money or time on "fancy" supp promissing steroid like gains etc. Food, food, food.
 
Tylerclee said:
@V02maxima can assist you more in the comprehension of ABE.
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I mean I could go into a bit of detail, but I feel like it'd be irresponsible when OP would see far more benefit from making changes elsewhere. He said he estimated calories for one day...is he eating that much consistently? Consistency with diet is extremely important. And based on the training discussion earlier, it sounds like he's just getting a training routine hammered out, and he also has not indicated whether or not his training has a plan for progression built in. Based on the fact that he's 16, which is a prime time for building strength, and the numbers posted, IMO he'd do well with something utilizing linear progression, and would probably see very fast gains on that.
 
VO2Maxima said:
I mean I could go into a bit of detail, but I feel like it'd be irresponsible when OP would see far more benefit from making changes elsewhere. He said he estimated calories for one day...is he eating that much consistently? Consistency with diet is extremely important. And based on the training discussion earlier, it sounds like he's just getting a training routine hammered out, and he also has not indicated whether or not his training has a plan for progression built in. Based on the fact that he's 16, which is a prime time for building strength, and the numbers posted, IMO he'd do well with something utilizing linear progression, and would probably see very fast gains on that.
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For my progression, once I hit 8 reps on something, I'll go up 5 or 10 pounds, because it seems for me very 5 pounds I go up, is one less rep. So if I can do 185 for 8 reps, I'll expect 195 for 6. Then I'll try to bring 195 to 8. This is how I'm doing my dumbbell presses. I reached 80 pounds for 10 reps, so my next workout I'll do 85, and try to hit 8, then go up to 90, and so on. As for my training, I was going to change up my routine from a PPL to a Chest/bi, back/tri, leg/shoulders kind of split, but it just felt weird for me, so I'm going back to the original PPL split. And as for the natural anabolics, yes, I do listen to you guys, it's just the curiosity of what it might do, as I see a lot of positive reviews, but the thing is, as you guys said, it may or may not work, may or may not be safe, and I'd be better off saving my money. I may save my money, and not get one, but it really depends on how much an effect I think it will work for me, I usually research a supplement a lot before buying it.
 
Crazy. Two 16 year olds posting similar questions about the same time.

You're 16. You have at LEAST 5-6 years of lifting to put on your belt before ANYTHING except eating healthy, light staples (creatine), and sleep well.
Oh, and some decent programming with an ever growing knowledge base of different programs, and self-awareness.
 
justhere4comm said:
Crazy. Two 16 year olds posting similar questions about the same time.

You're 16. You have at LEAST 5-6 years of lifting to put on your belt before ANYTHING except eating healthy, light staples (creatine), and sleep well.
Oh, and some decent programming with an ever growing knowledge base of different programs, and self-awareness.
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I'm jumping the gun here, but theoretically, even if I got my diet perfect as a teenager, good amount of calories, good amount of protein, and so on, you'd say skip the natural anabolics? I understand diet is the most important, and mine's pretty good, I'm always trying to improve it. Also, believe or not, if I could do one thing right now, it'd be to stay at home, not go to school, and be able to focus on my diet and training. If that came true, I'd be in 7th heaven, and make the greatest gains of my life, lol.
 
SlavicStrong said:
I'm jumping the gun here, but theoretically, even if I got my diet perfect as a teenager, good amount of calories, good amount of protein, and so on, you'd say skip the natural anabolics? I understand diet is the most important, and mine's pretty good, I'm always trying to improve it. Also, believe or not, if I could do one thing right now, it'd be to stay at home, not go to school, and be able to focus on my diet and training. If that came true, I'd be in 7th heaven, and make the greatest gains of my life, lol.
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Ok, proven/effective natural anabolics WILL help, but they will not fix a poor diet/training routine. The reason we tell you to focus on diet/training, is because natural anabolics are meant as plataeu busters unless you can afford to spend hundreds a year on supplements.
 
SlavicStrong said:
For my progression, once I hit 8 reps on something, I'll go up 5 or 10 pounds, because it seems for me very 5 pounds I go up, is one less rep. So if I can do 185 for 8 reps, I'll expect 195 for 6. Then I'll try to bring 195 to 8. This is how I'm doing my dumbbell presses. I reached 80 pounds for 10 reps, so my next workout I'll do 85, and try to hit 8, then go up to 90, and so on. As for my training, I was going to change up my routine from a PPL to a Chest/bi, back/tri, leg/shoulders kind of split, but it just felt weird for me, so I'm going back to the original PPL split. And as for the natural anabolics, yes, I do listen to you guys, it's just the curiosity of what it might do, as I see a lot of positive reviews, but the thing is, as you guys said, it may or may not work, may or may not be safe, and I'd be better off saving my money. I may save my money, and not get one, but it really depends on how much an effect I think it will work for me, I usually research a supplement a lot before buying it.
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I'm going to propose something that probably will sound crazy: Candito Linear Progression or Greyskull LP.
Those are two very, very good programs that I bet will get you progressing faster than what you're doing now. When you look at them written out, they probably will not look like much volume, but I guarantee once you figure out how to actually lift hard, they will be sufficiently challenging. (In fact, I bet most of the strong guys here would have a lot of trouble running those programs because it would wear them out...honestly the two lower days on Candito would absolutely crush me, for example). But more important than challenging, they will get you stronger...and that's really what's important, right? Progression is more important than "feeling" like something is hard, otherwise we'd all just do crossfit.
 
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