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Natty anabolic stack that is actually worth it?

anabolism31

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Hey guys

I have been lifting for a little more than 5 years now. I am by no means huge, but for a natural I feel I have made good progress all things considered (I lost a year of training due to an auto immune disease which put me in hospital and still affects me today). People make comments about my size and strength and I fill out most of my t-shirts pretty well, which has on more than one occasion led to one of those awkward conversations with a stranger on the street about working out and fitness.

I have considered injectable steroids and pro hormones in the past, but I have decided I would like to remain natural, mainly because I want to see how big I can get without drugs.

In the past I have tried the original follidrone, follidrone 2.0, epiplex, Olympus Labs Laxogenin product (I forgot the name), X-gels and Forskolin. I have noticed mild results with all of them besides the Laxogenin product which did absolutely nothing for me. However I feel like other than losing a little body fat, or getting a better longer lasting pump, none of these products have really made that much of a difference.

I gave up on supplements a while ago, and have just been focused on good nutrition, good quality sleep, and heavy compound movements. I deadlifted 5 plates with ease early in the year, and if my training cycle continues at this pace I hope to be lifting around 6 plates within a month or so.
Progress is slow but continuous, kind of like a drip feed. I really want something that will speed it up and give me better results faster.
I am considering investing some money into a natty stack, but I only want to do so if the results will be appreciable. I am curious to hear anyones experiences with natural anabolics, especially those who have used prohormones or injectables in the past.

Is there such as thing as a natty stack that will provide the same results as a mild prohormone?
Is there some natural product that will considerably improve recovery?

Has anyone had great results with a natural anabolic product or stack? If you have I would love to hear about your experience.

Thanks
 
First off, I'll say this what are your current stats and what exactly are you taking supplement wise now. Also what does your diet look like?
 
I see a few issues here but we are here to help. Here we go

1) lower your expectations for natural anabolics. They are NOT steroids or pro hormones. They are to supplement a good diet and training routine.

2) you need to dial in your diet, hydration and sleep. Those 3 things will contribute more to recovery than a supplement will.

3). Get on a solid routine and stick with it. A lot of times people give up on a routine too quick IMO

I’m not saying to avoid supplements, just simply lower your expectations. I still suggest taking the staple supplements and if you want to look at logs at some various supplements, that would be wise.

Some supplements that you haven’t listed that are really good are AlphaMax and MassMax. I’m surprised you didn’t like ArA...really good supplement that stacks well with others.
 
Define clearly what you define "worth it" as being. Once we know this we can answer definitively. Also if you make 8 dollars and hour and struggle to put food on the table then chances are nothing is "worth it." If you make a decent income and are financially stable then spending $50.00 for a couple of lbs of muscle might be "worth it" to you.
 
anabolism31 said:
... none of these products have really made that much of a difference.

I gave up on supplements a while ago, and have just been focused on good nutrition, good quality sleep, and heavy compound movements. I deadlifted 5 plates with ease early in the year, and if my training cycle continues at this pace I hope to be lifting around 6 plates within a month or so.
Progress is slow but continuous...

Thanks
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OP, there are a number of people here on heftier drug regimens than the POTUS who can't do what you describe.

Go eat, rest, and save your money for things that bring you real joy in life.

You are welcome.
 
It’s hard to compare a natty stack with say a PH stack because one is effecting hormones and one isn’t. So you can’t really compare.

But a Vector and F2.0 stack would get you some pretty nice results in my opinion.
 
Right now I’m running cannibal alpha pct with ara and my muscles feel full,sleep is phenomenal, libido through the roof and look leaner
 
If I had to be perfectly honest, than you're money(after quality food) is best spent on what has been scientifically proven. IE: Creatine, Betaine, Carnitine etc... So if I had to pick one product to use year around, or recommend to someone(outside of this board) with confidence, than it would be a daily ergogenic: Ergonine, Tr1umph, Finishline, Powermax.

After that, a good pre workout is also a good addition if you need/want one. I prefer non stims because I train at night. Stim or not though, just make sure that it has proper ingrediants at proper doses.

My staple health Supps are even more important to me. Any other Supps I buy are because this is a hobby of mine or I have a little extra money to play with, at the end of the month. Otherwise the Supps are usually not too worth it, but there are tons that aren't worthless, but none are necessary.
 
To take this a little further; I usually run one Andro cycle in the summer, and save the Natty anabolics and test boosters for PCT. Then it's just all in one ergogenics, and health staples for most of the year. I can do just fine on food, sleep, heavy training and food.
 
On 7/5 you decided to give Epi-Plex a try, so we know that, and we know you also want to see how big you can get naturally. How big are you now? Some stats would be helpful. Your supplementation should be dictated by your programming and diet.

Epi-Plex, much like FD2 will offer you a good part of that recomping effect and leaning out. The other end of the spectrum for growth might bring you to the threshold of Vector. How about some staples? Are you taking any?

(If you have yet to get the Epi-Plex, I think we can beat that price at 15% off using my code MARK15, on our web site, http://www.blacklionresearch.com with free shipping $42.49)

Some examples that would be nice to haves:

  • Vitamin D3 3-5,000IU
  • Fish Oil (I prefer Krill Oil)
  • A good Probiotic
  • Ubiquinol
How is everything else? Are your bloods all normal range?
This is a good time to know going ahead for yourself if you haven't, get some bloods done.

If you've not made your decision and pulled the trigger on Epi-Plex, then I'd recommend the FD2 / VECTOR stack along with VIRON and LETRONE. I think you'll like it a lot. If you have, then the VECTOR / VIRON / LETRONE.
 
Thanks for the replies guys, and apoligies for the delay in getting back to you.

My diet and training are fine. This is what I was getting at in my post, I am covering the basics.

Recently I have been following Stan Efferdings Vertical diet, so I am eating mainly white rice and steak. I also have some fruit and veggies, and some salmon regularly.
I'm eating 5 meals a day most days, and rarely cheat.

I drink about a gallon of water a day too.

I take a lot of health supplements

Magnesium, tumeric, d3, vitamin c, vitamin b complex, iron, fish oils and zinc.

My training is very consistent, I never miss a session and I stick to the basics. Bench press, squat, deadlift, rows are my main movements .
I have been keeping a log book since I was 19, so my goal every workout is to get more reps or increase weight (with decent form).
I seep on average about 9 hours a night. I take hot and cold showers, foam roal, and stretch regularly to improve recovery.

My stats are

221 pounds, 5 11, 18.25 inch arms, 45 inch chest, 26 inch thighs all flexed without a pump. I'm 20 years old, almost 21. Not sure of bf, I have a faint 4 pack under good lighting at the moment so I am geussing 16-18%.

To be honest, my purpose of this thread was to ask you guys if you had experienced any great natty stacks.

In my mind it is unlikely that there is such a thing as a natty product that could compare to a pro hormone, but I wanted to double check and see if anyone knew different? Perhaps I am wrong.

Thank you for recommending Vector, I have looked into it, and just ordered a tub to try it out. I am thinking of stacking it with ep1logue. I have read some reviews comparing Vector to andros so I am curious about its potency now.
 
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