Myostatin Killer Stack

That's good to know. I consider myself somewhat of a "supplement guru" and do tons of research but I haven't done much research on myostatin inhibitors and until recently I was pretty much a dummy on GDA's as I never had any interest in running those.
 
That's good to know. I consider myself somewhat of a "supplement guru" and do tons of research but I haven't done much research on myostatin inhibitors and until recently I was pretty much a dummy on GDA's as I never had any interest in running those.
GDA is great, having low fasted glucose levels and good insulin sensitivity is pretty much the deciding factor on weather your putting on fat or muscle. I'm a big fan of berberine and plain old cinnamon. I also believe that the bibia in thermoamp is doing work like a gda as my fasted glucose has gone down significantly over the past 3 weeks
 
You can do what you want, but no1 has ever built a body going by the studies, the studies are just little add ons, things to look into and implement but the decades old ways of doing things pretty much always come out on top. If you try to build muscle completely by the science your never going to make progress, I can see your getting upset about It but I'm not trying to offend you, I'm trying to help you. The reason everyone loves the studies is because it makes them think there's a easier way to get to the end but they rarely if ever pan out.

So I'm not looking to argue, I'm just going to agree to disagree and I will be interested to hear how you make out in the future. Because I would absolutely love it if your right and this is going to be a breakthrough, it would be a game changer, but I highly doubt it
Lol at getting upset. Nothing like that at all. I just think you are being a bit dismissive about Dr. Baar's research. I haven't seen his research so I don't know if it is really a breakthrough or not. I am waiting to see as well but I am also keeping an open mind about it. I agree with you that we are not yet at the point where we can say definitively that a certain compound is causing muscle growth by myostatin inhibition but the only way to find out is to do studies and research and then if the research shows that there is a mechanism by which it can take place then we take it to the gym and see if it pans out. Pretty much how that goes, right?
 
Lol at getting upset. Nothing like that at all. I just think you are being a bit dismissive about Dr. Baar's research. I haven't seen his research so I don't know if it is really a breakthrough or not. I am waiting to see as well but I am also keeping an open mind about it. I agree with you that we are not yet at the point where we can say definitively that a certain compound is causing muscle growth by myostatin inhibition but the only way to find out is to do studies and research and then if the research shows that there is a mechanism by which it can take place then we take it to the gym and see if it pans out. Pretty much how that goes, right?
Well no, because we are at a point where we can definitely say that nothing currently available over the counter is causing muscle growth to any significant degree through myostatin inhibition, that's not even debatable. Also, on "Dr. Baar" I looked into him. He has nothing noteworthy that I can see, he has some studies on mice and I'm not seeing anything ground breaking. Looks like he's involved with a supplement company too which is a immediate red flag telling me I'm wasting my time researching him.

Even if him or someone else makes a breakthrough, the chances of it making it to a OTC supplement is zero. If a real myostatin inhibitor that's capable of disabling myostatin to a degree for significant muscle growth is created it will be a pharmaceutical drug.


Also, you said I'm being dismissive of his research and you haven't even read his research.....
 
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They don't work at all or they don't work better than running gear? Plenty of guys are running myostatin inhibitor supplements on this forum and have nothing but good things to say about them. I've never run any because I'm still skeptical but it gets harder and harder when everyone raves about products like Follidrone.
Didn't think/know people are running Follidrone for myostation inhibitation.
 
GDA is great, having low fasted glucose levels and good insulin sensitivity is pretty much the deciding factor on weather your putting on fat or muscle. I'm a big fan of berberine and plain old cinnamon. I also believe that the bibia in thermoamp is doing work like a gda as my fasted glucose has gone down significantly over the past 3 weeks
It would be interesting to know how much using GDA's make a difference, when your diet is in order and insulin sensivity on point already. I've allways thought the GDA's to not be needed, when diet and overall health is in check, but that's only based on my hunch and 'common sense', nothing else. I could very well be wrong here.
 
Didn't think/know people are running Follidrone for myostation inhibitation.
It would be interesting to know how much using GDA's make a difference, when your diet is in order and insulin sensivity on point already. I've allways thought the GDA's to not be needed, when diet and overall health is in check, but that's only based on my hunch and 'common sense', nothing else. I could very well be wrong here.
Depends on your definition of making a difference. I have a glucose monitor and if I eat a high carb meal with or without berberine there is a significant difference on how long that number stays up, that shows it doing something with those carbohydrates, it's pulling them out of the bloodstream and up taking them into the muscle to be stored as glycogen
 
Depends on your definition of making a difference. I have a glucose monitor and if I eat a high carb meal with or without berberine there is a significant difference on how long that number stays up, that shows it doing something with those carbohydrates, it's pulling them out of the bloodstream and up taking them into the muscle to be stored as glycogen
How much carbs on one sitting do you consider a high carb meal?

This whole subject is something I need to do more research on to form an opinion, if I should give GDA's a try. I've used a couple bottles of Garcinia Gambodia (and some stack GDA products containing it) back in the day, but I was more interested on the possible serotonin increase.
 
How much carbs on one sitting do you consider a high carb meal?

This whole subject is something I need to do more research on to form an opinion, if I should give GDA's a try. I've used a couple bottles of Garcinia Gambodia back in the day, but I was more interested on the possible serotonin increase.
I guess ones definition of high carb is good to greatly vary, but all my meals I consider high carb are over 60g of carbs. I have also tested glucose on a rediculous high carb cheat day where I was eating well over 100gm carbs per meal
 
Didn't think/know people are running Follidrone for myostation inhibitation.

Maybe I worded that wrong. This is how it is advertised so I assumed people were drawn to it because of this:



How does Follidrone help you achieve these results? Follidrone's secret is that it increases Follistatin levels. Follistatin is an antagonist to Myostatin, which promotes muscle growth.

Myostatin is a natural growth factor protein that exists in your body and works to limit your muscle growth in a genetically predetermined manor. Thus myostatin limits your muscle genetics! Follidrone works to decrease Myostatin and break the genetic barrier!

Increasing Follistatin leads to massive strength gains and extended endurance. More strength and endurance leads to higher reps, an ability to push more weights and quicker recovery times. All of this equates to bigger gains and a dramatically different physique!



Either way, I've seen nothing but rave reviews and was eyeing it for a future run.
 
I guess ones definition of high carb is good to greatly vary, but all my meals I consider high carb are over 60g of carbs. I have also tested glucose on a rediculous high carb cheat day where I was eating well over 100gm carbs per meal
I'm cutting now and don't get much over 30 g of carbs on any meal. When not cutting, my warm meals can include over 60 g of carbs. And of course I sometimes go out of any kind of sensible diet plan and eat anything and everything. Maybe Berberine or something could be of value for me too.
 
Maybe I worded that wrong. This is how it is advertised so I assumed people were drawn to it because of this:



How does Follidrone help you achieve these results? Follidrone's secret is that it increases Follistatin levels. Follistatin is an antagonist to Myostatin, which promotes muscle growth.

Myostatin is a natural growth factor protein that exists in your body and works to limit your muscle growth in a genetically predetermined manor. Thus myostatin limits your muscle genetics! Follidrone works to decrease Myostatin and break the genetic barrier!

Increasing Follistatin leads to massive strength gains and extended endurance. More strength and endurance leads to higher reps, an ability to push more weights and quicker recovery times. All of this equates to bigger gains and a dramatically different physique!



Either way, I've seen nothing but rave reviews and was eyeing it for a future run.
Yeah, I know Epicatechin (among others?) was originally (and still is) marketed with the myostatin inhibiting aspect, but from what I've gathered, people have found it having other nice qualities and I've thought people not to be using it for myostatin inhibitation, but I could be wrong. Epichaos and epicat in general is on my list to try, but for other reasons, than myostatin inhibitation. I've never thought it or anything else to do much for myostatin on a practical level. I'd be happy to give Follidrone a try as well.
 
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I'm cutting now and don't get much over 30 g of carbs on any meal. When not cutting, my warm meals can include over 60 g of carbs. And of course I sometimes go out of any kind of sensible diet plan and eat anything and everything. Maybe Berberine or something could be of value for me too.
See if you can get 500mg caps, maybe start with 1 at your highest carb meal. It can mess with your stomach so you kinda gotta get use to it. I actually prefer it on a bulk to maintain insulin sensitivity. When were dieting insulin sensitivity should be improving on its own, but that doesn't mean you can't use it for high carb meals and cheat meals. I know guys who use a cap with every meal.

I think last time I used it I was taking 1000 with my 2 high carb meals and with my lower carb meals 1200mg cinnamon caps. I also did not use any of those things post-workout where you want the insulin Spike.

I'm no expert on this stuff, I just started messing around with them over the last year or two. Still learning myself
 
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