My take on IGF-1
- Thread starter Grunt76
- Start date
Grunt76
Well-known member
Yes, there are so many variations out there. Basically you can run either continuously. Note that I recommended 3x week for mass and never mentioned the cutting aspect, but yes you can run the twice a day continuously for months. Don't expect much mass, but hey you are cutting. As a nutrient partitioning agent, it is second to none. I mean you can literally have 100g of high GI carbs, shoot your IGF-1, never trigger insulin and thus never stop lipolysis. How cool is that?
CRUNCH
Registered User
I definitely crave carbs on this stuff.
mr athlete
New member
Is it just me or does anyone else get a sense of well being while on IGF. I cant describe it but man.... I am always in a great mood and my energy level is out of this world. Its kind of addictive.
Im in sales and I just kill it when Im on IGF.
Im in sales and I just kill it when Im on IGF.
Ubiquitous
Registered User
I heard from a reputable source that Grunt smells like a ham sandwich that was left out in the sun.
Grunt76
Well-known member
Yeh man that shiz feels like heaven. Especially postworkout when you have your endorphins kicking in... :woohoo:
OMFG the secret is out!!! :aargh: :sad:
CRUNCH
Registered User
Ewwww
CRUNCH
Registered User
I'm having trouble with the quad tendon just above where attaches to me knee and am going to see a PT on Monday.
Grunt: Can IGF-1 be injected into or near that tendon for some healing help, if so, what dose??
I've been running IGF for about a month now at 40mcgs 3x's/wk. Shooting biceps, chest, lats, and shoulders, but rotating those.
Grunt: Can IGF-1 be injected into or near that tendon for some healing help, if so, what dose??
I've been running IGF for about a month now at 40mcgs 3x's/wk. Shooting biceps, chest, lats, and shoulders, but rotating those.
Grunt76
Well-known member
Yes you can inject into a tendon for near-immediate regeneration.
CRUNCH
Registered User
That's exactly what I was hoping you'd say! Thank you Grunt.
CRUNCH
Registered User
Did that shot a couple minutes ago. I wanted to wait a couple days after my last shot. That one hurt too! We'll see how it's feeling in a couple days.
Grunt76
Well-known member
Did it help any?
CRUNCH
Registered User
No, but with reason. My PT thinks it's a patella tracking problem. He taped me up yesterday and showed me how to do it myself. The tape did help the pain I was having. In other words, no tendon problems. The IGF was worth a shot (no pun) though.
max silver
Well-known member
You may be able to find relief from self myofascial release techniques. I've experienced pain from my knee on an on and off basis, which would often be accompanied by alot of clicking with movement. Utilizing a foam roller on my leg has alleviated the clicking, and with it has greatly reduced the amount of pain I feel.
CRUNCH
Registered User
There's no clicking at all, the pain is very superficial. That's why I suspected the tendon, rather than something in the joint or even under the knee cap.
It's actually been feeling ok today, no stabs when I'm getting up from the ground or a chair.
Thanks for the input Max, I'll keep working with the PT for a week or two and see what happens. If it's no better I'll look into the myofacial release.
It's actually been feeling ok today, no stabs when I'm getting up from the ground or a chair.
Thanks for the input Max, I'll keep working with the PT for a week or two and see what happens. If it's no better I'll look into the myofacial release.
CRUNCH
Registered User
has anyone noticed increased hairloss with igf or is it just me lately
I haven't. Are you talking head or body hair, or both?
Getting rid of the nose and ear hair would be a bonus.
christopher
Member
I was reading on IGF last night, and one of the sides was a possible link to cancer, specifically prostate cancer....
Thats ties in w / hairloss, whether directly or indirectly, if IGF effects DHT and/or estrogen (I dont know)...
Still, it could be coincidence you got a "shed" while on the IGF....MPB, if you got it, is progressive....Also, goes thru phases, as in, its not progressing all the time, may stabilize for a period, then accelerate...
As for the unwanted hair... :aargh:
Thats ties in w / hairloss, whether directly or indirectly, if IGF effects DHT and/or estrogen (I dont know)...
Still, it could be coincidence you got a "shed" while on the IGF....MPB, if you got it, is progressive....Also, goes thru phases, as in, its not progressing all the time, may stabilize for a period, then accelerate...
As for the unwanted hair... :aargh:
Grunt76
Well-known member
The link between cancer and IGF-1 is mostly the other way around. Cancer raises IGF-1. Well, there is some slight evidence as to a possible effect of GH/IGF-1 on the likelihood of getting cancer but it is scant and not a high-degree cause, others being much more important.
I know a female who reports the same thing. Weird.has anyone noticed increased hairloss with igf or is it just me lately
jonesboy
Active member
are you saying i'm a girly man grunt? If so i think i can take you with that bum shoulder and all... just kidding
:chick:slick
New member
GREAT THREAD- Im about to give IGF a try and have a few ?s
First off, Id like to thank Grunt76 for this thread. Ive been on these boards for over 10 years and I must say that this is the most informative and helpful thread I have read to date. Ive been quite hesitant to give IGF a go since Ive read so many conflicting reports on many of the boards and didnt really know what to believe. However, after reading this entire thread and a few other on this board, I feel confident that I now have the proper info needed to give it a try..So, Id again like to thank Grunt as well as other contributing members of this thread for taking the time out to share the knowledge!!!
Now, Im coming off a cycle of test/eq and will be starting my IGF while off..Im 35 years old 6ft tall and 220lbs with lets say 11% bf..Been traing 20 years and using gear for 15 of them..
First question is should I run the IGF while using other pct gear such as clomid/hcg? or do i wait a few weeks? I also see that you reccomend ORATROPIN grunt. Do you suggest I use that a few weeks and then hit the IGF??
Next- I would like to give u my schedule for this..Im looking to cut a bit of fat and not lose much size..Lets say tone up..I know that a JS 5x5 workout is more for gaining size, but I kinda like the idea of using that regimen with the IGF because the heavy weights may increase myoplasia- am I wrong about this??? am thinking about doing that with the IGF for 30 days..then switching to some cutting gear with a cut excercise regimen and diet..
Lastly, Im wondering what would be the best way to time my injections...Ill be working out M,W,F using the JS 5x5 routine as previously stated..For example- on Monday I do
squats, bench, bent over rows, tris- i will then inject my tris immidiatel PWO
On wed however- Ill be doing squats, standup military press, deadlifts, and then bis...lets say I wanna hit my delts with the IGF...Is it best to do so right after training delts- then drink a carb shake and then continue with the rest of my workout??? By the time my workout is over, my delts wouldnt have been worked for 30-45 minutes...and I always like to work my smallest parts last...Same would go for quads..I always work them first...do I do squats then inject and drink a carb drink and then finish workout???
I know these questions may sound a bit redundant but Im just trying to get everything straight before I begin...Any help would be appreciated...And thanx again guys for this informative post..Much appreciated!!!
First off, Id like to thank Grunt76 for this thread. Ive been on these boards for over 10 years and I must say that this is the most informative and helpful thread I have read to date. Ive been quite hesitant to give IGF a go since Ive read so many conflicting reports on many of the boards and didnt really know what to believe. However, after reading this entire thread and a few other on this board, I feel confident that I now have the proper info needed to give it a try..So, Id again like to thank Grunt as well as other contributing members of this thread for taking the time out to share the knowledge!!!
Now, Im coming off a cycle of test/eq and will be starting my IGF while off..Im 35 years old 6ft tall and 220lbs with lets say 11% bf..Been traing 20 years and using gear for 15 of them..
First question is should I run the IGF while using other pct gear such as clomid/hcg? or do i wait a few weeks? I also see that you reccomend ORATROPIN grunt. Do you suggest I use that a few weeks and then hit the IGF??
Next- I would like to give u my schedule for this..Im looking to cut a bit of fat and not lose much size..Lets say tone up..I know that a JS 5x5 workout is more for gaining size, but I kinda like the idea of using that regimen with the IGF because the heavy weights may increase myoplasia- am I wrong about this??? am thinking about doing that with the IGF for 30 days..then switching to some cutting gear with a cut excercise regimen and diet..
Lastly, Im wondering what would be the best way to time my injections...Ill be working out M,W,F using the JS 5x5 routine as previously stated..For example- on Monday I do
squats, bench, bent over rows, tris- i will then inject my tris immidiatel PWO
On wed however- Ill be doing squats, standup military press, deadlifts, and then bis...lets say I wanna hit my delts with the IGF...Is it best to do so right after training delts- then drink a carb shake and then continue with the rest of my workout??? By the time my workout is over, my delts wouldnt have been worked for 30-45 minutes...and I always like to work my smallest parts last...Same would go for quads..I always work them first...do I do squats then inject and drink a carb drink and then finish workout???
I know these questions may sound a bit redundant but Im just trying to get everything straight before I begin...Any help would be appreciated...And thanx again guys for this informative post..Much appreciated!!!
Grunt76
Well-known member
yes starting them as soon as PCT begins is standard practice and helps make the whole ordeal much much better.
no point in waiting.
Oratropin *IS* IGF-1, just delivered another way.
I don't know that any type of training will be much better than another to go along with your IGF. As long as you lift hard.
Sure, that will work well
Sure, or change up the order of your exercises and you can pin quads, or chest, or lats...
No, the best idea is to change up the order of the exercises so that you always finish with what you are pinning. IGF will induce a very nice lethargy, but quite counterproductive to hard workouts.
Change the order up, that's all I have for you.
I even do my cardio before weights now, so that I can pin and be done, enjoy the paradise of the slight euphoria of IGF-1 coupled with the endorphins... :thumbsup:
slick
New member
thanx for the feedback..
Sounds great..Im just going to stay with the workout Im doing now which is a 2 on 1 off and just hit the last muscle trained as you suggest...Ill be running the IGF for as long as 1mg will last me 2 on one off and I wont inject on off days..I figure Ill start with 30ius (15 ea side) since Im prone to going hypo..Im hoping that a carb/protein shake right after injecting and a good meal 45 minutes after that will hold it off but I must say im a bit nervous..blood sugar is normal but for some reason I go hypo easy...Ill keep you updated...thanx again for all of the input.
Sounds great..Im just going to stay with the workout Im doing now which is a 2 on 1 off and just hit the last muscle trained as you suggest...Ill be running the IGF for as long as 1mg will last me 2 on one off and I wont inject on off days..I figure Ill start with 30ius (15 ea side) since Im prone to going hypo..Im hoping that a carb/protein shake right after injecting and a good meal 45 minutes after that will hold it off but I must say im a bit nervous..blood sugar is normal but for some reason I go hypo easy...Ill keep you updated...thanx again for all of the input.
Grunt76
Well-known member
30 ius will last you about 3 injections if you reconstitute at 1,000mcg/cc as I recommend... You mean 3iu.
Werewolf
Active member
If you are nervious then carry glucose tablets just in case. A meter is wise too.
slick
New member
oops
30 mcgs I meant..Im diluting 1mg with 2ml AA..I can then probably use the 1cc insulin syringe and get an accurate reading...will load the reconstitued at home and bring to the gym with the NaCl and draw..6ius of the reconstituted IGF and then draw back 18ius of Nacl prior to injection..12ius ea side..use a little more Nacl to get it spread out nice...and im gonna make the foil thing like you do between the plunger and top o syringe..lol ..Is my math right here? Im kinda tired..lol
just worried more about the hypo factor..any recommendation as to what drink I should use??
30 mcgs I meant..Im diluting 1mg with 2ml AA..I can then probably use the 1cc insulin syringe and get an accurate reading...will load the reconstitued at home and bring to the gym with the NaCl and draw..6ius of the reconstituted IGF and then draw back 18ius of Nacl prior to injection..12ius ea side..use a little more Nacl to get it spread out nice...and im gonna make the foil thing like you do between the plunger and top o syringe..lol ..Is my math right here? Im kinda tired..lol
just worried more about the hypo factor..any recommendation as to what drink I should use??
slick
New member
I may try that or maybe some Orange juice...Last time I went hypo I drank OJ and it went await in about 2 minutes...but ****, I almost passed out..
slick
New member
sounds good..
Do any companies in particular sell that mix? or do u mix yourself...? Ive only used a whey mix in the AM and then just a PWO drink without protein immidiately following workout and 45 minutes after ill have a high protein meal with carbs..But I may give your exact mix a try..And last thing- does my math look right above with my IGF mixing? Thanx again for your time..
Do any companies in particular sell that mix? or do u mix yourself...? Ive only used a whey mix in the AM and then just a PWO drink without protein immidiately following workout and 45 minutes after ill have a high protein meal with carbs..But I may give your exact mix a try..And last thing- does my math look right above with my IGF mixing? Thanx again for your time..
CRUNCH
Registered User
After I did my atlas stones last Sunday, and after straight leg deads this past Thursday, I did 20 mcgs IGF-1 into each hamstring (really stung there too!). Yesterday (Sunday), I put up my 335 lb stone to a 48" platform. First time EVER.
Could I have noticed the IGF-1 that quickly in an area?? I wasn't expecting that at all, all the other stones just ripped right off the ground also.
The only other thing different was 10 mgs SD last Friday, and 10 Sunday morning. I'm trying the pulsing routine put up by Dr D.
Could I have noticed the IGF-1 that quickly in an area?? I wasn't expecting that at all, all the other stones just ripped right off the ground also.
The only other thing different was 10 mgs SD last Friday, and 10 Sunday morning. I'm trying the pulsing routine put up by Dr D.
CRUNCH
Registered User
Fro Grunt or Werewolf:
I posted some questions about "myasthenia gravis" in the health section, but haven't seen any responses yet.
With the healing properties of IGF-1 and GH, would those things be of any benefit to somebody with this condition. It is a muscle wasting type condition.
I've got a female client with this. She's about 50 yrs old and starting to look for anything that might help. Her doctors just want to load her up on prednisone and be happy.
I posted some questions about "myasthenia gravis" in the health section, but haven't seen any responses yet.
With the healing properties of IGF-1 and GH, would those things be of any benefit to somebody with this condition. It is a muscle wasting type condition.
I've got a female client with this. She's about 50 yrs old and starting to look for anything that might help. Her doctors just want to load her up on prednisone and be happy.
Deeznuts
New member
I am a physician and I don't see how IGF-1 will help your client. Myasthenia Gravis is due in most cases to an autoimmune process where antibodies attack its own acetylcholine receptors. Thus the problem is not muscle size or future growth it is a defect at the neuromuscular junction. There are other treatments in addition to the corticosteroids that she can try. Its a tough disease and I understand her desperation. I would tell her to look up in Pubmed to see who is doing clinical trials if that is something she is interested in. I think that would be much more helpful than IGF-1. I hope that helps.
CRUNCH
Registered User
Got it...thanks for the reply. I didn't know enough about either to know if something that would help. You won't know unless you ask.
neverstop
Well-known member
i've noticed that workout strength increase too. its not the same as gear where in two weeks everything feels 50lbs lighter, its more like every workout is like the kind of workout you get when you havn't lifted in a bout a week and you get that bounce back strength, if that makes any sense, i wonder if its from muscle fiber growth or from IGF abilities to just push all the calories you intake in to your muscles?