CryingEmo
Well-known member
So was I, until I noticed most people with really good results and more immediate gains used more, and more often.
My take on IGF-1
- Thread starter Grunt76
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So was I, until I noticed most people with really good results and more immediate gains used more, and more often.
datBtrue
Well-known member
Time to experiment again. I am going to try again to see if I can't make IGF-1 LR3 give me some growth in a lagging bodypart.
Its not like I was using bad IGF-1 LR3 before...as most of it came from a place Grunt called "the best" as far as "price/effectivenes". I always enjoyed the insulin-like effects from it but alas he is no more.
I am going to use the IGF-1 LR3 from the place Grunt has always said was the best...spare no expense. So I'll pick up multiple vials.
I am going to use larger injections & will probably use it on a cycle & of course in PCT...maybe pre-cycle as well...
I was thinking I'd use between 100mcg & 150mcg (split bi-laterally EOD, PWO intra-muscular). Probably go 4 weeks on 3 weeks off 3 times.
What do you guys think about this protocol?
Grunt do you have any ideas on increasing the odds on making this work? Perhaps a particular bodypart responds better then others? Maybe use multiple injections into the muscle head (similar to the way Synthol is pinned)? Or here is a freaky idea...how about the use of a tourniquet for short periods to keep the IGF-1 LR3 localized?
Its not like I was using bad IGF-1 LR3 before...as most of it came from a place Grunt called "the best" as far as "price/effectivenes". I always enjoyed the insulin-like effects from it but alas he is no more.
I am going to use the IGF-1 LR3 from the place Grunt has always said was the best...spare no expense. So I'll pick up multiple vials.
I am going to use larger injections & will probably use it on a cycle & of course in PCT...maybe pre-cycle as well...
I was thinking I'd use between 100mcg & 150mcg (split bi-laterally EOD, PWO intra-muscular). Probably go 4 weeks on 3 weeks off 3 times.
What do you guys think about this protocol?
Grunt do you have any ideas on increasing the odds on making this work? Perhaps a particular bodypart responds better then others? Maybe use multiple injections into the muscle head (similar to the way Synthol is pinned)? Or here is a freaky idea...how about the use of a tourniquet for short periods to keep the IGF-1 LR3 localized?
TheNoid
Registered User
Time to experiment again. I am going to try again to see if I can't make IGF-1 LR3 give me some growth in a lagging bodypart.
Its not like I was using bad IGF-1 LR3 before...as most of it came from a place Grunt called "the best" as far as "price/effectivenes". I always enjoyed the insulin-like effects from it but alas he is no more.
I am going to use the IGF-1 LR3 from the place Grunt has always said was the best...spare no expense. So I'll pick up multiple vials.
I am going to use larger injections & will probably use it on a cycle & of course in PCT...maybe pre-cycle as well...
I was thinking I'd use between 100mcg & 150mcg (split bi-laterally EOD, PWO intra-muscular). Probably go 4 weeks on 3 weeks off 3 times.
What do you guys think about this protocol?
Grunt do you have any ideas on increasing the odds on making this work? Perhaps a particular bodypart responds better then others? Maybe use multiple injections into the muscle head (similar to the way Synthol is pinned)? Or here is a freaky idea...how about the use of a tourniquet for short periods to keep the IGF-1 LR3 localized?
Do it. Hit the bi's/tri's/and delts. Love puttin IGF in them.
pumbertot
Active member
Time to experiment again. I am going to try again to see if I can't make IGF-1 LR3 give me some growth in a lagging bodypart.
Its not like I was using bad IGF-1 LR3 before...as most of it came from a place Grunt called "the best" as far as "price/effectivenes". I always enjoyed the insulin-like effects from it but alas he is no more.
I am going to use the IGF-1 LR3 from the place Grunt has always said was the best...spare no expense. So I'll pick up multiple vials.
I am going to use larger injections & will probably use it on a cycle & of course in PCT...maybe pre-cycle as well...
I was thinking I'd use between 100mcg & 150mcg (split bi-laterally EOD, PWO intra-muscular). Probably go 4 weeks on 3 weeks off 3 times.
What do you guys think about this protocol?
Grunt do you have any ideas on increasing the odds on making this work? Perhaps a particular bodypart responds better then others? Maybe use multiple injections into the muscle head (similar to the way Synthol is pinned)? Or here is a freaky idea...how about the use of a tourniquet for short periods to keep the IGF-1 LR3 localized?
i think you will notice huge pumps and growth with these dosages but it could well lead to a huge gut too and i would not recommend such high dosages.
then again if you feel like doing it then go for it, will be exciting to see what happens.
the tourniquet idea would prob help but just be bloody carefull you dont overdo it has you could cause muscle damage especially post workout when haemoglobin in the muscles are low and lactic acid levels are high. be very carefull bro.
I think with those high dosages then really split the injections into evrey muscle trained and yes the multiple shots into the same muscle MAY produce more growth going on the basis of the repair of tissue damage caused by the injection.
e.g. say you want to shoot 100mcg and you plan to train
Chest and Triceps.
Train your Chest then immediately head off to toilet and shoot 25mcg into each pec(maybe 12.5mcg into upper and lower pec).
go back into gym and train Triceps then do same with injecting them in 2 areas right away.
CryingEmo
Well-known member
Grunt76
Well-known member
Time to experiment again. I am going to try again to see if I can't make IGF-1 LR3 give me some growth in a lagging bodypart.
Its not like I was using bad IGF-1 LR3 before...as most of it came from a place Grunt called "the best" as far as "price/effectivenes". I always enjoyed the insulin-like effects from it but alas he is no more.
I am going to use the IGF-1 LR3 from the place Grunt has always said was the best...spare no expense. So I'll pick up multiple vials.
I am going to use larger injections & will probably use it on a cycle & of course in PCT...maybe pre-cycle as well...
I was thinking I'd use between 100mcg & 150mcg (split bi-laterally EOD, PWO intra-muscular). Probably go 4 weeks on 3 weeks off 3 times.
What do you guys think about this protocol?
Grunt do you have any ideas on increasing the odds on making this work? Perhaps a particular bodypart responds better then others? Maybe use multiple injections into the muscle head (similar to the way Synthol is pinned)? Or here is a freaky idea...how about the use of a tourniquet for short periods to keep the IGF-1 LR3 localized?
I'll tell you what. For some weird reason, using good IGF-1 and pinning 60-80mcg 3x week is the sweet spot for me and I'm 5'9", 235lbs and 12%.
When I say "sweet spot" I mean, I get the localized gain, super-pleasant lethargy, some hypoglycemia, bottomless pit stomach, inability to gain ANY fat, everything I have come to expect and love about the right peptide in the right dose.
I have gone the higher-dose route a few times just to try it out. 100, 150 and even 200mcg. I don't think doing that once or twice will give anyone a huge gut. What I have noticed was none of the immediate subjective effects: pleasant lethargy, hypoglycemia, extreme hunger, all gone. Localized gain, well... That is unknown of course since doing 1-2 injects in such doses is very different from doing it for a month or whatever.
But my point is, from what IGF-1 does do, hunger, lethargy and hypoglycemia are the prime telltales that it is WORKING. Why on earth does it seem to work LESS at 150mcg than at 60mcg? I have no clue bro. But I know how I feel and of course not feeling it working at those higher doses meant something to me.
Why don't you go by feel? You might find out that 30mcg is all you need. Or 120mcg, what do I know about your personal body chemistry. I think once you find out the level which suits you, you won't look back.
Oh and one last thing. I started out using 20, 30, 40 and 50mcg. I quickly found that 40mcg was the sweet spot for me at the time. Of course I grew and now the sweet spot is about 70mcg or so, depending on the muscle size. Biceps are fine with 60mcg and quads require 80mcg. So in my experience there is a link between how big you are and how much you need, but since we are all different, the levels may well differ from one person to another even with the same muscle size.
pumbertot
Active member
once again a post that is both informative and insightful.
cheers bro, ive learnt everything i know about igf-1 from you and the rest from personal experimentation.
RedwolfWV
Registered User
pumbertot
Active member
i dont inject every muscle and i do see increased growth in the areas i do inject.
RedwolfWV
Registered User
Xodus
Well-known member
:fool2:
datBtrue
Well-known member
Thanks guys. You make some good points.
I think the key will be that I am no longer going to be using Chinese generic IGF-1 and I'll be using what is purportedly Gropep...so it should be fully potent.
Then I think I'll follow Grunt's advice and not start w/ a set dosage in mind and just begin at a moderate dose and monitor my blood glucose level & adjust accordingly.
I think I might also inject a couple of places in the muscle worked...so if I work shoulders inject the right shoulder in 2 places & the left in 2 places.
I'm not too worried about the gut...if my cells want to regenerate or multiple there than it will probably promote digestive health...
The key to this experiment though I think is in using Gropep instead of the Chinese generic.
I think the key will be that I am no longer going to be using Chinese generic IGF-1 and I'll be using what is purportedly Gropep...so it should be fully potent.
Then I think I'll follow Grunt's advice and not start w/ a set dosage in mind and just begin at a moderate dose and monitor my blood glucose level & adjust accordingly.
I think I might also inject a couple of places in the muscle worked...so if I work shoulders inject the right shoulder in 2 places & the left in 2 places.
I'm not too worried about the gut...if my cells want to regenerate or multiple there than it will probably promote digestive health...
The key to this experiment though I think is in using Gropep instead of the Chinese generic.
pumbertot
Active member
well i believe if you know your source then LR3 IGF-1 is just that no matter where it comes from. but yes there is prob a lot of understrength generic stuff flooding the market.
im sure some of the supposed 1mg vials are in fact 100mcg vials only.
Grunt76
Well-known member
Why don't you do that for us and let us know the results.
I have just brought up my lagging right bicep to the same size as my left. Now working on the tricep.
Why don't you people believe me? My god, am I typing for nothing? Is there a big "LIAR" sign hanging from each of my posts?
The debate *IS* settled. There are naysayers and those who know how to use proper IGF-1 the right way.
sfearl1
Well-known member
what do you think about injecting igf close to my inner elbow where i've been feeling some slight pain when i am curling (slight tendonitis?) or doing pullups? i feel like it might help with this. also, if i do inject around that area, where exactly should i go? straight into my bi at the closest point to the pain?
RedwolfWV
Registered User
I'm 100% with ya on how you use IGF Grunt. I was being sarcastic to that guy, just incase that didn't come through right.
datBtrue
Well-known member
I believe you bro. I believe you bro. Once again I believe you broheim
But I am also believing now that there are many batches of IGF-1 LR3 from those good cost-effective sources (some of which are now gone) that were not as potent. William Llewellyn examined & tested batches of GH a while back and he found that it degrades pretty quickly in the presence of oxygen...and further that a lot of Chinese generic GH was not packaged properly...even the vials had air in some of them.
I'll bet the same thing happens with IGF-1 so that 20mcgs from one batch doesn't always equal 20mcgs from another batch. He mentioned one GH test to determine if it has undergone oxidization...that is a vaccum test whereby when you insert the needle to reconstitute, the dilutant should be sucked into the vial...if you have to plunge it in then there was no vaccum.
I was reading a book called "Therapeutic Peptides and Proteins: Formulation, Processing, and Delivery Systems" and it is clear to me that it is fairly easy to destroy or degrade these peptides if they are subject to a less then optimum environment.
Anyway I am going experiment w/ IGF-1 LR3 some more BECAUSE I believe & respect you Grunt and because I want to make it work for me as well.
datBtrue
Well-known member
Just avoid a vein thats all....and get as close to the source of pain as possible. I've pinned forearms before all over and once a long-time ago I eliminated forearm "splint" pain that way.
On a side note 3 weeks of pinning pGH recently has eliminated my recent forearm pain.
Grunt76
Well-known member
LOL thanks guys. And yeah DatBTrue, I also feel there are MAJOR MAJOR differences between IGF-1 batches, suppliers, etc. For example, once I had "receptor grade" IGF-1 from a reputable source but it did not feel like IGF-1 at all. Right now I've been using a kind that was in benzyl alcohol and I have been very disappointed by its potency, just as I expected but I got some anyway since the stuff has become rare.
The few places that sell the real stuff are pretty pricey, but I'd rather pay $200 for good stuff than $100 for stuff that doesn't do anything.
Hell I paid $300 for my first mg, but I split it up with a friend. Gee, a whole milligram...
The few places that sell the real stuff are pretty pricey, but I'd rather pay $200 for good stuff than $100 for stuff that doesn't do anything.
Hell I paid $300 for my first mg, but I split it up with a friend. Gee, a whole milligram...
CryingEmo
Well-known member
LOL thanks guys. And yeah DatBTrue, I also feel there are MAJOR MAJOR differences between IGF-1 batches, suppliers, etc. For example, once I had "receptor grade" IGF-1 from a reputable source but it did not feel like IGF-1 at all. Right now I've been using a kind that was in benzyl alcohol and I have been very disappointed by its potency, just as I expected but I got some anyway since the stuff has become rare.
The few places that sell the real stuff are pretty pricey, but I'd rather pay $200 for good stuff than $100 for stuff that doesn't do anything.
Hell I paid $300 for my first mg, but I split it up with a friend. Gee, a whole milligram...
You need to start making your own, I'll buy some then.
Grunt's IGF-1 LR3. Comes with a free autographed picture of grunt, and bonus LR3 dosing book. But wait, buy now and recieve a Grunt bumper stick: "It works god damn you!"
sfearl1
Well-known member
lmfao
pumbertot
Active member
lol, how about includes rub on tattoos to put on each bodypart thats been pinned which reads "Look, localised growth you mofos!".
pistonpump
Banned
what would happen if IGF1lr3 was pinned intraveinous?
Grunt76
Well-known member
It would spread very quickly throughout your body.
AND you couldn't honestly use the rub-on tats.
pumbertot
Active member
yes it is believed that it does. many people report testicular shrinkage being reversed while on IGF-1. also there are IGF-1 receptors in the Leydig Cells so there must be a relationship between test production and IGF-1 levels. in fact in a study mice with IGF-1 knockout gene had low circulating levels of test. many other studies have shown a correlation also between IGF-1 and test levels.
leanMean
New member
Wow, finally finished reading all 28 pages and am at the beginning of my first IGF cycle now. On my second week and already seeing results. I usually don't have much of an appetite, so the hugely increased appetite alone is a really great effect for me. Thanks for all the great info guys.
Gonna go eat (again) now.
Gonna go eat (again) now.
tochigidream
New member
For all who question open-source posting for IGF-1 LR3
IGF-1 LR3 is not a steroid
IGF-1 LR3 is not an ancillary medication
IGF-1 LR3 is not DNP
IGF-1 LR3 is not clen
IGF-1 LR3 is not T3
IGF-1 LR3 is not a pro-hormone
IGF-1 LR3 is not sold as a liquid product
IGF-1 LR3 is legal for sale
IGF-1 LR3 is a peptide! What you do with it is your own business and everyone you choose to share that business with!
IGF-1 LR3 is about as illegal as milk. I get milk at safeway.. oops, the word is out! I have just released my source's name.
MOST sources for IGF-1 LR3 are legal research companies who sell IGF-1 LR3 for research purposes.. Do wtf you want with it, including injection. Inject milk into yourself. Share your experience. Tell everyone where you got it. Guess what? NOT ILLEGAL.
DO NOT openly post a request for a source that sells illegal products.
DO NOT Talk about buying and/or selling steroids/illegal substances on an internet forum. This activity is considered: conspiracy to traffic a controlled substance! This is a federal offense!
IGF-1 LR3 is not a controlled substance!
Perhaps people should research law and code before they post.
POST ALL THE SOURCES YOU WANT FOR LEGAL PRODUCT.
DO NOT POST A SOURCE THAT SELLS ANY KIND OF ILLEGAL PRODUCT ON ANY PART OF THEIR SITE!!!!!
SIMPLE and yet incomprehensible for some.
Please stop blocking business for reputable, legal research companies.
Review the law, administrators. You will see I am correct. Stop tip-toeing around clearly legal issues as if they are a crime. Don't get embarrassed and delete my post either.
[email protected] :numbered:
Reminder: Cancel your cyber-rights and hushmail accounts. Security has been compromised. Stop dragging your feet and switch. Cheers!
IGF-1 LR3 is not a steroid
IGF-1 LR3 is not an ancillary medication
IGF-1 LR3 is not DNP
IGF-1 LR3 is not clen
IGF-1 LR3 is not T3
IGF-1 LR3 is not a pro-hormone
IGF-1 LR3 is not sold as a liquid product
IGF-1 LR3 is legal for sale
IGF-1 LR3 is a peptide! What you do with it is your own business and everyone you choose to share that business with!
IGF-1 LR3 is about as illegal as milk. I get milk at safeway.. oops, the word is out! I have just released my source's name.
MOST sources for IGF-1 LR3 are legal research companies who sell IGF-1 LR3 for research purposes.. Do wtf you want with it, including injection. Inject milk into yourself. Share your experience. Tell everyone where you got it. Guess what? NOT ILLEGAL.
DO NOT openly post a request for a source that sells illegal products.
DO NOT Talk about buying and/or selling steroids/illegal substances on an internet forum. This activity is considered: conspiracy to traffic a controlled substance! This is a federal offense!
IGF-1 LR3 is not a controlled substance!
Perhaps people should research law and code before they post.
POST ALL THE SOURCES YOU WANT FOR LEGAL PRODUCT.
DO NOT POST A SOURCE THAT SELLS ANY KIND OF ILLEGAL PRODUCT ON ANY PART OF THEIR SITE!!!!!
SIMPLE and yet incomprehensible for some.
Please stop blocking business for reputable, legal research companies.
Review the law, administrators. You will see I am correct. Stop tip-toeing around clearly legal issues as if they are a crime. Don't get embarrassed and delete my post either.
[email protected] :numbered:
Reminder: Cancel your cyber-rights and hushmail accounts. Security has been compromised. Stop dragging your feet and switch. Cheers!
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tochigidream
New member
Also,
"A research company may not sell a research product to a client with a direct intent for human consumption; however, a research company may sell a human consumable product to a client with intent for research only. A research product may be used however a client prefers after receipt of delivery, including self-administering product. A client may possess a research product with no legal repercussion, even if that product is listed in the Toxic Substances Control Act (TSCA as administered by the EPA)." It should be noted that if a product is listed in the TSCA, then it may pose an acute or chronic health threat to humans. "These research products are regulated. For the most part, supervision by a qualified technician is the minimum requirement for handling a controlled toxic substance in a research classified area."
It is up to you to ensure a research product you buy for yourself is NOT listed in the TSCA and is not likely to ever be listed. This is critical. NOTE: Do not confuse TSCA with CSA (Controlled Substance Act).
IGF-1 LR3 is not listed in the TSCA as of 04-24-08. IGF-1 LR3 is not listed in the CSA as of 04-24-08. (It would be difficult to ever classify a peptide as a controlled substance anyway)
If I get pulled over by a police officer and I have IGF-1 LR3 sitting on my lap, I may (or may not) go to jail. I will say I am researching this product and nothing more. No controlled substance will be detected in the vial, and I will be released and my product will be released.
Post your IGF-1 LR3 sources!
"A research company may not sell a research product to a client with a direct intent for human consumption; however, a research company may sell a human consumable product to a client with intent for research only. A research product may be used however a client prefers after receipt of delivery, including self-administering product. A client may possess a research product with no legal repercussion, even if that product is listed in the Toxic Substances Control Act (TSCA as administered by the EPA)." It should be noted that if a product is listed in the TSCA, then it may pose an acute or chronic health threat to humans. "These research products are regulated. For the most part, supervision by a qualified technician is the minimum requirement for handling a controlled toxic substance in a research classified area."
It is up to you to ensure a research product you buy for yourself is NOT listed in the TSCA and is not likely to ever be listed. This is critical. NOTE: Do not confuse TSCA with CSA (Controlled Substance Act).
IGF-1 LR3 is not listed in the TSCA as of 04-24-08. IGF-1 LR3 is not listed in the CSA as of 04-24-08. (It would be difficult to ever classify a peptide as a controlled substance anyway)
If I get pulled over by a police officer and I have IGF-1 LR3 sitting on my lap, I may (or may not) go to jail. I will say I am researching this product and nothing more. No controlled substance will be detected in the vial, and I will be released and my product will be released.
Post your IGF-1 LR3 sources!
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Bobaslaw
Member
Yep I agree. It is legal, however, it is still an industry "grey area", so not everyone may want to associate themselves with it...
sfearl1
Well-known member
you win the absolute most random post i've ever seen award. And what's wrong with cyber-rights??
Xodus
Well-known member
Uses the same technology as hush (owned by the same people) and the encryption has a back door in it, as seen in ORD.
datBtrue
Well-known member
At 6'1" and only 185 lbs you definitely need some sources. Let me help you out bro:
Acme
Albertsons
Aldi
Baker's Supermarkets
Bloom
Bottom Dollar
Bristol Farms
Carrs
City Market
Costco
County Market
Cub Foods
Delhaize Group
Dillon's
Dominick's
Farm Fresh
Food 4 Less
Food Lion
FoodsCo
Fred Meyer
Fry's Food
Genuardi's
Hannaford
Harveys
Hornbacher's
Jay C
Jewel/Jewel-Osco
Kash n' Karry
King Soopers
Kmart Supercenters
Kroger
Lazy Acres
Lucky Stores
Pavilions
Piggly Wiggly
QFC
Ralphs
Randalls
Roche Brothers
Safeway
Save-A-Lot
Scott's Food & Pharmacy
Sears Holdings Corporation
Shaw's
Shop 'n Save
Shoppers Food & Pharmacy
Smiths
Star Market
Sunflower Market
SuperTarget
SuperValu
Sweetbay Supermarket
Tom Thumb
Vons
Wal-Mart Supercenters
Whole Foods Market
bobbyn
Member
Has the protocall changed?
Hey Grunt,
Hope all is well by you....
DP's methods call for much smaller amounts of IGF. 10-20 mcg...and does not call for bi-lateral pinning. He says it doesn't stay local. I take this as no local effect....
He also says pin 7 days a week pinning at the time of day.
4 weeks on 2 weeks off
I know this is not what you taught me....and that this is your expertise.
Can you comment?
Thanks Bro
Coop
Hey Grunt,
Hope all is well by you....
DP's methods call for much smaller amounts of IGF. 10-20 mcg...and does not call for bi-lateral pinning. He says it doesn't stay local. I take this as no local effect....
He also says pin 7 days a week pinning at the time of day.
4 weeks on 2 weeks off
I know this is not what you taught me....and that this is your expertise.
Can you comment?
Thanks Bro
Coop
pumbertot
Active member
yes he sounds malnorished.
CryingEmo
Well-known member
pumbertot
Active member
i know this is aimed at Grunt but I share the same views and its from experience as well as what the 'Master'(Grunt) has taught me.
I would argue if it didnt stay local then why is the injected muscle growing while the whole body isnt??? see im running just peptides, no gear and been off for a while so no distorted results, I know what the igf has done when i rasn it alone and then what happened when run with mfg. all localised growth, not systemic. muscles I have sited have been catching up with rest of body, sorry for me its been 100% localised and pretty much zero systemic growth.
Bobaslaw
Member
Very Small traces will be in your system at 3 Days. LR3 Halflife is around 8-12 hrs AFAIK.