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My Sick Summer Cut (Sponsored in part by Band-Aid)

SFRANGER said:
I'm subbed!

I'm cutting right now too (41 days in)...I don't know how you are swingin' that low carb intake man! I've been staying between 100-150 a day and its been rough! Hard to stay focused some days. I'm interested to see how you handle 50!
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So far so good. I generally consum pretty low carbs anyway, so it's not much of a stretch for me, though I did do a month of pretty moderate carbs on a run of AP going into this (w/ the precise intent of doing a sort of "carb loading"). Yesterday and day before I consumed only carbs from greens and carrots and all was good. This morning I treated myself to a whole grain English muffin, but that's pretty much it for the day, from what I'm looking at now. Salad and steamed veggies for the rest of the day.
 
Alright, so far, I've just finished my 3rd cardio session (HIIT Monday, long n' low Tuesday, HIIT today) and last night got my first workout in.

Some quick first impressions:
-Not sure whether it's the Furazadrol or the 11oxo/11test, but I'm draining water like a mofo. Whoever it was that recommended I drink at least a gallon a day of water wasn't kidding.
-Again, not sure which compound, but libido is riding pretty high. Winztrol tends to do that to me big time, so I'm leaning toward the furaz, but who knows...and who cares?
-Anyone taken Ejaculoid before (by Goliath Labs)? Had sex last night and when this happened :aargh: it felt just like when I was on that. Anyone had that experience with any of these compounds? Maybe it was the MMV2 (took first dose yesterday)??
-Finally, first workout yesterday, and let me say I LOVE MMV2!!!! My aggression and focus in the weight room was incredible. When I finished doing chest and back, I damn near puked.

And on that note, here was my workout:

Flyes 3 x 8 @ 35lb
-SUPERSET w/
Bench (Smith) 3 x 8 @ 225lb
**I love this technique of pre-exhausting the muscle before you hit it with the compound movement. Goo sh!t!!!

Incline Bench 3 x 10 @ 185lb

Decline DB Bench 3 x 10 @ 60lb
-SUPERSET w/
Decline Flyes 3 x 10 @ 25lb

And after that my chest was taxed, so I moved on to back.

Lat. Pulldowns 3 x 12 @ 100lb
-SUPERSET w/
Straight-arm pushdowns 3 x 10 @ 40lb

1-Arm Rows 3 x 12 @ 40lb

Stiff-legged Deads 3 x 12 @ 40lb

And there's your horse, your honor. Tonight's shoulders...can't wait!
 
ill bet its the mmv2 that put your libido in overdrive already, i hear its great for that. i must have missed something, but are you running winztrol in the cycle too or were you just mentioning winztrol as a comparison to the furaz?
 
sounds like you are having a good time. :toofunny:
 
Way to go TG2!! And yeah, I believe the sexual lava eruption was due to the MMV2!! It felt like liquid magma comin' outta my fukk stick while doing that shizz!! :smite: Awesome stuff. I can't wait to run some more of it. I have a fresh new bottle staring back at me when I look into the ol' stash!! Keep rockin' dis haus bro!! :head: THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
 
heebs10 said:
ill bet its the mmv2 that put your libido in overdrive already, i hear its great for that. i must have missed something, but are you running winztrol in the cycle too or were you just mentioning winztrol as a comparison to the furaz?
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I'm not currently running it...though I could end up grabbing a bottle and hitting it at 300mg for the last 2 weeks...I wouldn't put it past me. God knows it's cheap enough.

But to answer your question, no, right now it's not in the lineup and not in the plans. I've included it in a good 6 or 7 cycles in the past with great success. Personally, I love it as an addition to any stack, and a lot of what I read indicated that the compounds were similar (you know, orastan-a vs. orastan-e), so that's where the comparison stemmed from.
 
thundergod said:
Way to go TG2!! And yeah, I believe the sexual lava eruption was due to the MMV2!! It felt like liquid magma comin' outta my fukk stick while doing that shizz!! :smite: Awesome stuff. I can't wait to run some more of it. I have a fresh new bottle staring back at me when I look into the ol' stash!! Keep rockin' dis haus bro!! :head: THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
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Aha! Mystery solved then. I gotta say, thanks for putting me onto this stuff. Can't believe I hadn't included it up until now. It is AWESOME!!! Next week I bump up to 4, then possibly 5 the week after, and if all goes well, 6 the last week. We'll see if I decide I need that or not.
 
Yea bro, MMV2 was great for aggression in AND out of the gym. Like a 15 year old in a whorehouse.
 
hey man, if hydration becomes an issue cut back on furazadrol. i had to go down to 3ed because of constant thirst. i work in a very hot factory and hydration is always an issue. try some poseidon, i was losing up to 7-10 pounds of water weight every 12 hour shift and poseidon really helped a lot.
 
ThisGuy2 said:
Maybe I'm just getting last-minute cold feet (not about the cycle...that I'm not taking enough!), but I'm a little concerned. Sure, this stack should really shred me up. But do I want to go with nary a drop of muscle gain? I don't know.

What about 3 weeks of low-dose SD in there? You know, just 10mg weeks 2-4 for a wee bit o' muscle mass.

:ntome:who said that??
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Maaan, 86 the SD, just throw in a gram of test and you're good!

Haha jk..(but not really).
 
thisguy, (thundergod, interested on your opinion for my question as well) are you taking saw palmetto or any thing of that nature to protect the prostate against DHT related sides or would you think its not really necessary?
 
thebigt said:
hey man, if hydration becomes an issue cut back on furazadrol. i had to go down to 3ed because of constant thirst. i work in a very hot factory and hydration is always an issue. try some poseidon, i was losing up to 7-10 pounds of water weight every 12 hour shift and poseidon really helped a lot.
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining. It's just a pain in the ass getting up at night 4 times to drain the lizard. But I'm always for losing water weight! I'm keeping hydrated, though. If I see it gets too crazy, I'll drop down...but for right now, me likey!
 
heebs10 said:
thisguy, (thundergod, interested on your opinion for my question as well) are you taking saw palmetto or any thing of that nature to protect the prostate against DHT related sides or would you think its not really necessary?
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I'm not and I don't think I need it for what I'm running and the dosing scheme I'm going with. All the compounds I'm using have minimal sides.

I'm not opposed to it, though. I think if you're exposing your body to the risk, you would do well to protect yourself.
 
heebs10 said:
thisguy, (thundergod, interested on your opinion for my question as well) are you taking saw palmetto or any thing of that nature to protect the prostate against DHT related sides or would you think its not really necessary?
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Yes dude. Saw Palmetto is one of those support supps you don't want to be skipping out on.
 
heebs10 said:
thisguy, (thundergod, interested on your opinion for my question as well) are you taking saw palmetto or any thing of that nature to protect the prostate against DHT related sides or would you think its not really necessary?
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Heebs---I am of the firm opinion that DHT is NOT the culprit for prostate issues, but rather high levels of estrogen are! I do NOT take Saw Palmetto for the reason that I do NOT want to block DHT conversion. I love having high levels of DHT for the alpha-male mentality, strength, and aggression if offers! :aargh: And, as you can see from my avi, shedding is not a concern for me either!! lol THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
 
thundergod said:
Heebs---I am of the firm opinion that DHT is NOT the culprit for prostate issues, but rather high levels of estrogen are! I do NOT take Saw Palmetto for the reason that I do NOT want to block DHT conversion. I love having high levels of DHT for the alpha-male mentality, strength, and aggression if offers! :aargh: And, as you can see from my avi, shedding is not a concern for me either!! lol THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
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:goodpost:to back this up, mmv2's increase in aggression, strength, libido is partly due to increased dht. good posting tg. btw the dutchman is in his 60's ands uses formestane on a regular basis, he says since doing this prostate tests have been much improved due to reduced estrogen.
 
thebigt said:
:goodpost:to back this up, mmv2's increase in aggression, strength, libido is partly due to increased dht. good posting tg. btw the dutchman is in his 60's ands uses formestane on a regular basis, he says since doing this prostate tests have been much improved due to reduced estrogen.
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Thanks bigt!! Me and Dr. John from here on the forums were talking about this very thing recently. He agrees that high estrogen levels in aging men is why they incur prostate issues. I started using a little TD Form just yesterday (80 mg. everynight) to keep estro low while on-cycle. Then for PCT, I'll switch over to oral ATD. :thumbsup: THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
 
thanks for the responses fellas. i just have one more question: does saw palmetto inhibit 5a-reductase or does it inhibit DHT from binding to the prostate? if it inhibits 5a-reductase, (like finasteride) and you used it anyways, that would make mmv2 much less affective because of much less conversion, correct?
 
heebs10 said:
thanks for the responses fellas. i just have one more question: does saw palmetto inhibit 5a-reductase or does it inhibit DHT from binding to the prostate? if it inhibits 5a-reductase, (like finasteride) and you used it anyways, that would make mmv2 much less affective because of much less conversion, correct?
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it inhibits 5-alpha-reductase, interferes with dihydrotestosterone binding to androgen receptor, and may act as a phytoestrogen. i agree, if you want the most out of a mmv2 cycle discontinue use of saw palmetto. the part about it possibly acting as a phytoestrogen is interesting, some men complain about 'sensitive breasts' while taking this-their term not mine. the same side effect as prescription bhp meds.
 
thebigt said:
it inhibits 5-alpha-reductase, interferes with dihydrotestosterone binding to androgen receptor, and may act as a phytoestrogen. i agree, if you want the most out of a mmv2 cycle discontinue use of saw palmetto. the part about it possibly acting as a phytoestrogen is interesting, some men complain about 'sensitive breasts' while taking this-their term not mine. the same side effect as prescription bhp meds.
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thanks t and everyone else who reply. im not running this right now but it has just recently struck my interest. one very last tiny question then i promise i will stop hijacking guy's log. this has been asked before, but i just want to make sure as there is some confusion. is mmv2 and mmv2 XL the exact same compound? because i know m1d and m1d XL are different according to an LG rep. sorry for this little hijack, guy.
 
heebs10 said:
thanks t and everyone else who reply. im not running this right now but it has just recently struck my interest. one very last tiny question then i promise i will stop hijacking guy's log. this has been asked before, but i just want to make sure as there is some confusion. is mmv2 and mmv2 XL the exact same compound? because i know m1d and m1d XL are different according to an LG rep. sorry for this little hijack, guy.
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Shame on you. You haven't read all the way through the post, have you:nono:? Because if you did, you'd know there's no need to appologize. We welcome tangents of all sorts here on this thread!!!

Even those of the bouncing cheesburger testicle variety, am I right boys? And on that note:
:burg::burg:

Wait...that WAS on my log, right? Or was it Timber's? Or G-money's? I'm confused now:think:. I know Timber started the whole thing.
 
you caught me, i didnt read the entire thread yet. i have been all over the place reading about mmv2 and such.
 
ThisGuy2 said:
Shame on you. You haven't read all the way through the post, have you:nono:? Because if you did, you'd know there's no need to appologize. We welcome tangents of all sorts here on this thread!!!

Even those of the bouncing cheesburger testicle variety, am I right boys? And on that note:
:burg::burg:

Wait...that WAS on my log, right? Or was it Timber's? Or G-money's? I'm confused now:think:. I know Timber started the whole thing.
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I can't take credit for the cheeseburgers...

Oh wait, yes I can...

:burger::bb2::burger:
 
Hmm..after seeing how good you seem to be feeling on your cut I'm conisdering throwing your stack into mine..Im 42 days in now and I'm seeing results, but my gym intensity is only 1/2 what it used to be and my strength is taking a giant nose dive. I haven't run a PH since epistane was released and I'm getting the itch to add something in. I'm not versed in the new PH's that are available such as winztrol, furazadrol, m1d, mmv2 etc. What would you guys suggest?


(FYI Im 24 and Ive run m1t, 1 ad, superdrol, halodrol, methyldien, methyl rage..methyl rage was ****in' awesome by the way..., and epistane)
 
SFRANGER said:
Hmm..after seeing how good you seem to be feeling on your cut I'm conisdering throwing your stack into mine..Im 42 days in now and I'm seeing results, but my gym intensity is only 1/2 what it used to be and my strength is taking a giant nose dive. I haven't run a PH since epistane was released and I'm getting the itch to add something in. I'm not versed in the new PH's that are available such as winztrol, furazadrol, m1d, mmv2 etc. What would you guys suggest?


(FYI Im 24 and Ive run m1t, 1 ad, superdrol, halodrol, methyldien, methyl rage..methyl rage was ****in' awesome by the way..., and epistane)
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I'm with ya on that methyl rage sh*t! Great stuff!! I love MDHT. Out of the ones above you mentioned wanting to try out, I'd go with either the MMV2 (which I've used..and is awesome) or the Winztrol (which I have not used..but will soon). Either of these would increase your intensity and strength. :thumbsup: THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
 
thundergod, i would assume mmv2 is probably much weaker then mDHT. just wondering how you would compare mmv2 to mDHT seeing that you have used both compounds?
 
heebs10 said:
thundergod, i would assume mmv2 is probably much weaker then mDHT. just wondering how you would compare mmv2 to mDHT seeing that you have used both compounds?
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Actually, MMV2 is not "much weaker" than MDHT. Not much at all really. I would just as soon take 3 caps of MMV2 1 hour pre-workout as I would 3 caps of MDHT. The brand of mdht that I have is Primaforce MethylRage and it is 12.5 mg. per cap. The strength of MMV2 really took me by surprise. :eek: I've still got a fresh new bottle staring back at me when I look into the ol' stash!! :dance: THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
 
SFRANGER said:
Hmm..after seeing how good you seem to be feeling on your cut I'm conisdering throwing your stack into mine..Im 42 days in now and I'm seeing results, but my gym intensity is only 1/2 what it used to be and my strength is taking a giant nose dive. I haven't run a PH since epistane was released and I'm getting the itch to add something in. I'm not versed in the new PH's that are available such as winztrol, furazadrol, m1d, mmv2 etc. What would you guys suggest?


(FYI Im 24 and Ive run m1t, 1 ad, superdrol, halodrol, methyldien, methyl rage..methyl rage was ****in' awesome by the way..., and epistane)
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Funny, all of a sudden I find myself talking a lot about winztrol, when for a while no one seemed to want to hear about it :think:. I'm glad. It's a great compound at a great price. I don't recommend it as a standalone, but you can stack it with just about anything, even another mild compound, and you can expect good results in terms of cutting and hardening, a little strength gain, and a BIG jump in libido. If there's anyone from Juggernaut, I'd be happy to take sponsorship from you guys. Next cycle could be a nice little oral turinabol, tren-x and winztrol cycle...know wha'm say'n??

Stack it with tren-x and you'll shred up nicely.

Oh hell...now I'm ordering a bottle to toss into the rest of my cycle at 200mg e/d for the last 3 weeks. Damn you guys.:aargh:
 
ThisGuy2 said:
Funny, all of a sudden I find myself talking a lot about winztrol, when for a while no one seemed to want to hear about it :think:. I'm glad. It's a great compound at a great price. I don't recommend it as a standalone, but you can stack it with just about anything, even another mild compound, and you can expect good results in terms of cutting and hardening, a little strength gain, and a BIG jump in libido. If there's anyone from Juggernaut, I'd be happy to take sponsorship from you guys. Next cycle could be a nice little oral turinabol, tren-x and winztrol cycle...know wha'm say'n??

Stack it with tren-x and you'll shred up nicely.

Oh hell...now I'm ordering a bottle to toss into the rest of my cycle at 200mg e/d for the last 3 weeks. Damn you guys.:aargh:
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PSYCHO!! :aargh:
 
ThisGuy2 said:
Too late. Just ordered. :rasp:
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I like your style buddy. :D

MMV2 is the Shiznit for the record. Anyone who says that stuff doesn't work must have been on their period when they took it or something. I got angry as F*CK and gained quite a bit of strength for a non methyl... like 30lbs on my dumbbell press. 95's to 110's same reps. I liked the M1D MMV2 stack... gained like 7lbs lbm... which makes me SOOOO curious about stronger **** and my body's reaction... TMINUS 4 DAYS TILL THE EPISTANE!!!!! :aargh::afro:

Sorry I have been MIA for the last few days guys, I have been working my cheesburgers off.

But since this is what I do for work: :pose:

I have been getting my cheeseburgers off!!!

PM me and I'll send you some of the pics from my last commercial shoot... let's just say that the theme of one of the ads was strip poker. :D :D :D :D
 
GMG760 said:
I like your style buddy. :D

MMV2 is the Shiznit for the record. Anyone who says that stuff doesn't work must have been on their period when they took it or something. I got angry as F*CK and gained quite a bit of strength for a non methyl... like 30lbs on my dumbbell press. 95's to 110's same reps. I liked the M1D MMV2 stack... gained like 7lbs lbm... which makes me SOOOO curious about stronger **** and my body's reaction... TMINUS 4 DAYS TILL THE EPISTANE!!!!! :aargh::afro:

Sorry I have been MIA for the last few days guys, I have been working my cheesburgers off.

But since this is what I do for work: :pose:

I have been getting my cheeseburgers off!!!

PM me and I'll send you some of the pics from my last commercial shoot... let's just say that the theme of one of the ads was strip poker. :D :D :D :D
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Yeah man, I'd like to see those too!
p.s. I had a feeling you'd appreciate that approach!
 
bigpapa said:
how you like the mmv2?
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So far, I LOVE IT! Next week I'm cranking up the dosage to 4. Then, if I still think I can handle it, 5 the week after and maybe 6 the last week. Don't know. 3's been doing the trick, but....I WANT MORE!!!
 
thundergod said:
Actually, MMV2 is not "much weaker" than MDHT. Not much at all really. I would just as soon take 3 caps of MMV2 1 hour pre-workout as I would 3 caps of MDHT. The brand of mdht that I have is Primaforce MethylRage and it is 12.5 mg. per cap. The strength of MMV2 really took me by surprise. :eek: I've still got a fresh new bottle staring back at me when I look into the ol' stash!! :dance: THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
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Wow, I didn't realize there was anything out that compared to primaforce's old mthyl-rage. That, with a good stim, equaled a freakin' insane workout...even on those days when you get off work and didn't have the energy to go.
Since LG changed from Legal Gear to LG sciences, their stuff looked like trash to me, and I had never read a good review so I wrote them off as another hype company - like vyo-tech and their ' 17-HALO-METHYL-DIANABOLADRONE'

It looks like I will have to place my order for some MMV2 today. What cycle length do you guys run with this and is there much shut down?
 
SFRANGER said:
Wow, I didn't realize there was anything out that compared to primaforce's old mthyl-rage. That, with a good stim, equaled a freakin' insane workout...even on those days when you get off work and didn't have the energy to go.
Since LG changed from Legal Gear to LG sciences, their stuff looked like trash to me, and I had never read a good review so I wrote them off as another hype company - like vyo-tech and their ' 17-HALO-METHYL-DIANABOLADRONE'

It looks like I will have to place my order for some MMV2 today. What cycle length do you guys run with this and is there much shut down?
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17-HALO-METHYL-DIANABOLADRONE'??? what the hell is that even supposed to be????
 
guy, you probably mentioned this at some point already but how much do you weigh. either way, its nice to hear that the recommended dosage is actually working well.
 
Are these new compounds such as tren-x, winztrol, mmv2, etc. suitable for running 6-8 weeks or are you guys keeping the cycles shorter?
 
TimberLakers said:
I think he's right around 2 bucks.
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you got it! 201 last Sunday. We'll see where that ends up. My stomach is already looking mighty flat, and I'm noticing more fullness in my muscles, particularly chest and shoulders, which is impressive, considering I'm on mainly leafy greens, steamed vegetables, chicken breast and reduced cals.
 
SFRANGER said:
Are these new compounds such as tren-x, winztrol, mmv2, etc. suitable for running 6-8 weeks or are you guys keeping the cycles shorter?
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winztrol's not a new compound. I first started taking it probably at least a year and a half ago. same for tren-x, I think. And really, they're just clones of much older compounds, mega-trn and mega-zol (and prostanazol by AX before that!). I'm usually not into 8 weeks of anything, personally, but I don't see why you could run winztrol for 8 weeks. I've done 6 a few times and enjoyed it. You just probably don't want to run that high 200 - 300mg dose the whole way out. Maybe start a little lower and work up, like 150, 150, 200, 200, 250, 250, 300, 300.

As for tren-x, I personally would NEVER run it longer than 4 weeks (and in the past I've never done more than 3, to be honest). I just don't like nuclear waste that much. The stuff is strong, and has tremendous effects on strength, cutting and vascularity, but the list of sides is loooong. 3-4weeks it safe at the right dosage.
 
D@mnit!! I haven't been in here in days and your already running strong bro. And I'd throw that winztrol in there too, it's pretty weak sht from all the guys I've talked to that have run it so why the eeefff not?
 
yeah winztrol and compounds of the same nature are a waste in my eye.....mind as well run it as long as you dont get sides from it. I never liked the stuff, still have alot of old sku prostanzol, the originator and those are 25mg caps so you gotta pop half a bottle to get anything lol. Idk everyone is different and some people may like it esp endomorphs, i thought it was hairloss in a bottle haha. anyone want some prostanz....pm for trade????? :)
 
Well, I've actually got some bad news. It seems I'm ALREADY shut down. I didn't think it would happen at all with all these light compounds, but then again, I am taking alot and at high doses. Also, My workout schedule was such that I ended up taking the MMV2 for 3 days straight last week. Anywho... my bouncing cheeseburgers are more like something off the dollar menu now. :sad: Oh well, what're you gonna do?

Anyone think some DHEA might help with this? I decided to start taking my DTH at a 3 cap p/d dose to combat and it seems to be working for me. I'm having no problem with libido, at least. Just the boys aren't what they usually are. I'll have to avoid cold pools for fear that they'll disappear completely.

The effects are coming along nicely, though! I'm already noting some change, and my understanding is that you'll really start to see something between weeks 2 - 3. Stay tuned. Chest day today!!!
 
I wouldn't be so concerned bro. You shoulda known you were going to shutdown to some degree. Androgens seem to shut people down faster and harder than most anabolics do. This is my observation anyway. There are some exceptions to this rule of course. Super-Drol being the obvious one. And I would save the DTH and the DHEA for PCT. That's when they'll really be needed and effective. Besides, haven't you ever heard that small potatoes make the meat look bigger?!! lol THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
 
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