My PH cycle... HELP!!!!

lifterdead

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Hi everyone, i need your help.

I have decided to stack the following PH's, looking to lean out and add lean mass with strength:

- Winabol by Generation X Labs * Non-Methylated*
- Epi 2A3A (EPISTANE) by Vital Labs
- ProteX Cycle Assist and Liver Protection (for on cycle support)

Now i know everyone is thinking where is your PCT, well this is why i needed help, YOUR help. I have nolvadex sitting around at home, which was expired back in june of 2011, can i still take this after the expiration date?

My other question was, can i take 6-OXO by ErgoPharm for PCT on its own? And what about taking Forged Post Cycle by Transform Supplements as a PCT on it's own after the cycle?

Or do you guys suggest i mix the nolvadex with 6-OXO or with Forged Post Cycle?

I have been researching and lots of people seemed to have like 6-OXO greatly as a PCT for PH cycles.

Some info about myself: I have been training for 8 years, steady, this will not be my first PH cycle so I am not a beginner, my diet is in check 6 days a week, and i take this lifestyle seriously. I decided to double up on the PH's because i felt like i needed a boost and just something more. So guys, please be so kind to give me your input on this, and PLEASE do not leave comments saying "you should research more" or anything along those lines, i am asking for your opinions.
 
Is your nolvadex the stuff by gaspari?


6-oxo is a pretty strong aromataise inhibitor from what I remember. Good for boosting test in PCT. But I think, like 6 bromo, the stuff is suppressive. I still think you should have a legit SERM, either from research or pharma tabs.
Most people use

SERM
Natty testbooster
Natty anabolic
AI
Glucose partitioner
Cortisol control

But, if the nolvadex is an AI then I suggest you not run them both... I dont really think 2 AI's is a good idea unless you are dosing them on the low side and know exactly what way they reduce estrogen. What I'd do....

Get a SERM. Take 6 oxo solo, look up more on the nolvadex.
 
no, i'm not talking about nolvadex from gaspari, i'm talking about the real stuff that's used for AAS PCT cycles, dosed at 40 mg a pill by Svensk Apotek
 
lifterdead said:
no, i'm not talking about nolvadex from gaspari, i'm talking about the real stuff that's used for AAS PCT cycles, dosed at 40 mg a pill by Svensk Apotek
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Im really not sure about how long it'll last but yea you could dose it like that and then just taper the 6 oxo out as you would the serm about a week later.
 
can you give me an example of how you'd dose that? Don't really understand when you say taper the 6 oxo as i would the serm a week later, can you give me a better break down? thanx
 
Dose the nolva at 40/20/20/10, start the anti-e in weeks 2 or 3 and run it at "normal" strength while on the nolva, and then taper it down over the next 2 weeks after you finish the nolva. so for example, if you are supposed to take 3 6-oxo per day your schedule for pct would look something like this:

nolva:40/20/20/10/0/0
6-oxo:0/3/3/3/2/1

That is just an example.

ManBeast
 
thank you for your reply, is it ok to just use the 6 oxo as a PCT? or should i definately use the nolvadex? Research says that the epi is mild dosed , not very strong, so i assumed you can get away with just a OTC pct? Also, my nolva is expired last June of 2011, is it still ok to take? It is dosed at 40 mg a pop, so how you suggested won't really work for me, i'd have to take 40 mg a day for 4 weeks straight?
 
I'd look into a liquid Research Chemical to replace the expired stuff, there really isn't a good reason to not have a SERM/use one, why risk it? It isn't like 10 years ago when the only way to get clomid/nolva was on the black market...

ManBeast
 
bro epistane may be considered a more mild ph but it will shut you down... mild ph doesn't = no shutdown... mild ph means less sides... you have to have a serm running epistane... if you don't, you will be very sorry... you need to spend $50-70 dollars and get yourself a serm... i wouldn't even consider not running one...
 
dylangemelli said:
bro epistane may be considered a more mild ph but it will shut you down... mild ph doesn't = no shutdown... mild ph means less sides... you have to have a serm running epistane... if you don't, you will be very sorry... you need to spend $50-70 dollars and get yourself a serm... i wouldn't even consider not running one...
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I could get a good SERM for 30 ;)
 
so should i drop or keep the 6 oxo and the other OTC PCT i mentioned in my original post? And drop the 1 year old expired Nolva (Tamoxifen Citrate) and replace it with a liquid Tamoxifen Citrate research chemical?
 
Definitely get a new SERM, its basic nut-insurance. The 6-oxo will function as your anti-e, and the forged is a natty test maximizer, throw in some DAA to have a test booster and you should be solid. Check the PCT post in my sig (copy/paste) for more info. ManBeast
 
DAA is DAA, no need for big brand names. You can find the powder in bulk or, if you prefer, a lot of companies offer it in capsule form as well. Google "Buy DAA" and you're bound to get a lot of links.
 
I got mine in bulk form from nutraplanet.

ManBeast
 
what do you guys think if i go with D-POL by Purus Labs, it has d-aspartic acid as the main ingredient i believe along with other ingredients. Is DAA necessary? Can i just get away with a SERM and a test booster?
 
bro daa is a test booster... you should already know these things before you even start a cycle... that being said... go to needtobuildmuscle.com... they have daa powder there or daa powerchews... use coupon code needto139 and get 15% off and free shipping... DO YOUR RESEARCH bro!



lifterdead said:
what do you guys think if i go with D-POL by Purus Labs, it has d-aspartic acid as the main ingredient i believe along with other ingredients. Is DAA necessary? Can i just get away with a SERM and a test booster?
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thanx for your reply, but i have not started any of my PHs yet until i have everything put together. Four or five years ago when i took PHs, maybe even longer than that, i doubt there was DAA, i could be wrong, but i was on multiple forums and no one ever brought it up or mentioned anything about it. As far as doing my research, i think i have most of it covered. If DAA was not used back then and a SERM and a test booster was used to get back to normal, why would things be any different now with having to use DAA?
 
DAA is new, and it is just very helpful in maximizing/boosting/encouraging natural test production alongside the SERM.

ManBeast
 
lifterdead said:
thanx for your reply, but i have not started any of my PHs yet until i have everything put together. Four or five years ago when i took PHs, maybe even longer than that, i doubt there was DAA, i could be wrong, but i was on multiple forums and no one ever brought it up or mentioned anything about it. As far as doing my research, i think i have most of it covered. If DAA was not used back then and a SERM and a test booster was used to get back to normal, why would things be any different now with having to use DAA?
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I'm guessing that means you'll be using the same PHs as before? Because your logic here seems to be that if it wasn't around last time, there's no reason to take it now. It's not like science and research progresses and finds better and more effective substances along the way or anything.
 
I will be taking similar compounds as i have before, but don't we all know that anything new is hard to trust because it has not been on the market for a long time and there isn't much sufficient studies on it? Take for example creatine, how long has it been on the market for, 10-15 years? Some argue it is still a new product but there isn't enough studies done on it on the long term side effects because it is still "new". Having said that, wouldn't DAA follow the same methods? Or do you think DAA is safe to take for the short while it's been out because you choose to believe so?
 
But the substances you took way back on your first PH cycle...they were probably "new" substances then, but you took them anyway. Did your morals change?
 
MakaveliThaDon said:
If you don't already have your epi, I have 2 bottles of IBE's epi, sealed I could live without
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If i like the epi run im on now and you still have them i'd be interested. I like to use original and name brands since I'm an ahole like that. Ibe epi seems to be getting harder to find
 
GreenEarth said:
But the substances you took way back on your first PH cycle...they were probably "new" substances then, but you took them anyway. Did your morals change?
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Everything that i have ever taken has been out for quite some time and popular compounds along with popular PCT. My thread is titled with the word "HELP" not with the word "CRITICISE" because it seems like you've been dogging me and criticising everything i have posted. I am being nothing but polite and some what understanding to what is out there now, and i will most likely be taking all the advice everyone is giving me, yet you still seem to find the need to attack me. If you decide to not help me then please take your criticism elsewhere.

Thank You.
 
I'm not trying to be impolite, I'm simply saying that your stated reason for not checking out DAA (because it's new) is flawed. As time progresses technology and science advances rather than retrogrades, so discounting something because it's new is not wise logic.
 
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