My new experiment for a recomp.

[ninjachimp]

I will pulse a superdrol clone (20 mg) M, W, F for 4-6 weeks, depending on sides.

In that time, on Tuesday and Thursday I will run an EC stack (25 E, 200 C; 1-2x daily) and do cardio.

If I get puffy nips, too much ball shrinkage, or get a problematically high BP while on cycle I will stop and proceed to Nolva and stop the EC.

M, W, F I will eat slightly above maintenance and T, T I will eat slightly below maintenance calories, resting and eating at maintenance on Saturday and Sunday.

Any thoughts?

 

[StangBanger]

sounds over complicated but what do i know..

 

[middleageguy]

I will pulse a superdrol clone (20 mg) M, W, F for 4-6 weeks, depending on sides.In that time, on Tuesday and Thursday I will run an EC stack (25 E, 200 C; 1-2x daily) and do cardio.If I get puffy nips, too much ball shrinkage, or get a problematically high BP while on cycle I will stop and proceed to Nolva and stop the EC.M, W, F I will eat slightly above maintenance and T, T I will eat slightly below maintenance calories, resting and eating at maintenance on Saturday and Sunday.Any thoughts?

I don’t know about the [EC stack (25 E, 200 C; 1-2x daily)].
Would be quite interested in how this go’s.

As far as your Pulse, you may not get many responses or your post may bet bashed. Seems some get quite hostile about there feeling a pulse is not worth it, doesn’t work, should do a straight cycle.

I think your pulse looks fine. If you are using cycle support, you should not get many if any sides at this dosage.
You will more than likely want to do the 6 weeks as at the 4[SUP]th[/SUP] week you may really start seeing results.

The 2 times I pulsed superdrol I did not start feeling effects until around the middle or end of the second week.
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I think this is because it is only the 5[SUP]th[/SUP] or 6[SUP]th[/SUP] dosage.

Link to my progress photos below. The last 2 photos were taken LAST DAY OF PULSE at end of 8th week of second Pulse of Superdrol(M-DROL) 07-02-2011 (Pulse 8 weeks)
I know, still have a long way to go.
But look what progress I've made since first photo at the beginning of the year.
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Just be sure to use a cycle support [competitive edge labs cycle assist 240 capsules is quite commonly used] and possibly something additional for your liver.
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Please keep you thread updated. I am interested in how the [EC stack (25 E, 200 C; 1-2x daily)] helps you in your recomp. Really I believe the cardio is going to do the recomp but the EC stack will be you stimulant, appetite suppressant, assisting you.

 

[ninjachimp]

My logic for this is to build muscle one day and burn fat the other, technically not trying to do both at the same time. Like I said before, this is an experiment, but it sounds like a logical way to prevent superdrol side effects and desensitization to the EC stack, all while leaving rest days for recovery.

 

[nemo]

I am in the middle of an 8 week pulse with the same workouts,.. only I'm doing cardio on sat also. I'll tell you, I'm very happy so far with the lean gains and loss of bodyfat, I mean people are complimenting me left and right on the change in my physique. I'm not using the EC stack, but as long as you keep an eye on your BP, I don't see that as a problem. I'm also taking an AI on off days. Good luck, and keep us informed.

 

[ninjachimp]

I have an AI if necessary. I probably won't use it so that the hormones have a chance to stabilize in EC/off days.

 

[jbryand101b]

yea, you asked something like this before, i still stick with my original opinion and saw pulsing is for p**sies. if your scared of steroids, dont use them. no point in half assing it.

 

[ninjachimp]

If it doesn't work, it doesn't work. Superdrol isn't particularly expensive, and this is a proof of concept, as I said before. Plus, if having less sides in a cycle makes me a *****, then so be it.

 

[mattrag]

If it doesn't work, it doesn't work. Superdrol isn't particularly expensive, and this is a proof of concept, as I said before. Plus, if having less sides in a cycle makes me a *****, then so be it.

I know both have their advantages (supposedly), I figure log it, see how you like your results and then decide for yourself. I know a guy who pulsed Epi did everything right timing wise and got nothing. THe guy also doesn't like food... Some ppl just respond to different things.

 

[jbryand101b]

if you want less sides, just run it at 10mg each day. common sense as well as science tells you all side effects from all steroids are dose/cycle length dependant.

if you want more gains, you'll have to increase the dose, but you will also incur more sides, and if you dont mind less gains, decrease the dose, and in doing that, you decrease the sides.

both concepts are decreasing the dose, i feel my way is better because it works for me and numerous other experienced steroid users, you asked for thoughts, i gave you mine, everyone is different, and will have different thoughts, no reason to take offense or get upset on differences of opinions.

 

[nemo]

I was under the impression that an AI on off days would decrease suppression.

 

[jbryand101b]

all an ai on off days would do would be to help keep your estrogen levels lower than androgen levels, but it's going to be all fcked up from dosing 20mg of sd, and your bodies going not going to know what's going on, or what to do, increase/decrease cortisol? aromatase? dhea production? gh? igf? prolactin? all over the place.
but for some people the in between time may be enough time for your body to re regulate itself, and by that time, guess what you're going to do? f*ck it up all over again.
I'm no scientist, but that cant be good for your thyroid or hpta function.

 

[jbryand101b]

pa's thoughts on pulsing....

here is what pa had to say about pulsing, he never gives direct advice on cycles etc, but if you are able to read between the lines, im sure you can get what he means.

take them whatever way makes you feel good from a psychological standpoint. that is, if you can convince your self that taking more on a workout day is helping you will be happier and workout harder.
or if tapering makes you feel more confident then do that.
bottom line is that i dont think its gonna make a goddam difference what you do. Its your perception of what it might do that might make a difference

one word, placebo.

 

[middleageguy]

As far as your Pulse, you may not get many responses or your post may bet bashed. Seems some get quite hostile about there feeling a pulse is not worth it, doesn’t work, should do a straight cycle.

yea, you asked something like this before, i still stick with my original opinion and saw pulsing is for p**sies. if your scared of steroids, dont use them. no point in half assing it.

if you want less sides, just run it at 10mg each day. common sense as well as science tells you all side effects from all steroids are dose/cycle length dependant.

if you want more gains, you'll have to increase the dose, but you will also incur more sides, and if you dont mind less gains, decrease the dose, and in doing that, you decrease the sides.

both concepts are decreasing the dose, i feel my way is better because it works for me and numerous other experienced steroid users, you asked for thoughts, i gave you mine, everyone is different, and will have different thoughts, no reason to take offense or get upset on differences of opinions.

all an ai on off days would do would be to help keep your estrogen levels lower than androgen levels, but it's going to be all fcked up from dosing 20mg of sd, and your bodies going not going to know what's going on, or what to do, increase/decrease cortisol? aromatase? dhea production? gh? igf? prolactin? all over the place.
but for some people the in between time may be enough time for your body to re regulate itself, and by that time, guess what you're going to do? f*ck it up all over again.
I'm no scientist, but that cant be good for your thyroid or hpta function.

“my original opinion and saw pulsing is for p**sies”

Well bashed as expected but not quite as hostile as expected.

I really respect all the “Competitive Edge Labs Rep” opinion’s about 100% of the time.
They give great advice.
But even they bash pulsing. All the CEL Reps bash pulsing. So I take all the advice I can get from them with the exception of pulsing, because it has been working for me at least.

I just completed an 8 week pulse.
I don’t want to run a straight cycle. Because I don’t want to get all the gains in like 3 weeks. I don’t want it to be that noticeable in such a quick amount of time.

That's one of the main reasons I’m pulsing, so the increase in size is stretched out over two months. I’m 44. At work, I have already had one guy ask me about my working out. He said my progress has been impressive, not many people can do it. That he is having a hard time loosing 10lbs. I tell him I got back into working out and have been at it again for over a year and taking small steps, first loosing almost 50lbs, then adding in more, and more. That I use to workout back in the 80’s.
I also don’t want to run a straight cycle because of the theory that since a pulse is done over two months the muscles are gained over an extended period of time and are more likely to be retained easier and not lost after the cycle is ended.

I'm sure my response will get torn apart and bashed. But I may learn something in the process.

 

[ninjachimp]

One interesting thing is I have never heard any pulsing horror stories while I have heard of regular "superdrol gone wrong".

 

[jbryand101b]

“my original opinion and saw pulsing is for p**sies”

Well bashed as expected but not quite as hostile as expected.

I really respect all the “Competitive Edge Labs Rep” opinion’s about 100% of the time.
They give great advice.
But even they bash pulsing. All the CEL Reps bash pulsing. So I take all the advice I can get from them with the exception of pulsing, because it has been working for me at least.

I just completed an 8 week pulse.
I don’t want to run a straight cycle. Because I don’t want to get all the gains in like 3 weeks. I don’t want it to be that noticeable in such a quick amount of time.

That's one of the main reasons I’m pulsing, so the increase in size is stretched out over two months. I’m 44. At work, I have already had one guy ask me about my working out. He said my progress has been impressive, not many people can do it. That he is having a hard time loosing 10lbs. I tell him I got back into working out and have been at it again for over a year and taking small steps, first loosing almost 50lbs, then adding in more, and more. That I use to workout back in the 80’s.
I also don’t want to run a straight cycle because of the theory that since a pulse is done over two months the muscles are gained over an extended period of time and are more likely to be retained easier and not lost after the cycle is ended.

I'm sure my response will get torn apart and bashed. But I may learn something in the process.

if you try it, get the results you like, then that is all that matters at the end of the day. :thumbsup:

 

[mattrag]

if you try it, get the results you like, then that is all that matters at the end of the day. :thumbsup:

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Yup, try it. If you like it do it, if you don't like it run a straight cycle. I think we all have had too much of the "Why isn't this working for me??!?!? I've done everything right!!!" Posts and just, as practice, rather give out the cookie cutter 10/20/20mg Sdrol cycle with proper SERM PCT advice. Really, I would just get everyone opinions on my cycle set up, ask for questions on things I need help on, then run the cycle as a test, report results then gather my conclusion.

>jbryand101b is CEL gonna make anything else? I haven't seen a product pop out from you guys in a long time....I must say though, you guys support your products even though they are discontinued and in some case not so legal. You guys got good company culture man.

 

[jbryand101b]

yup, one can be assured, cel has big things in store for the non hormonal supplement game.

I wouldn't of jumped to be on the team if I wasn't assured cel had big things in store. After i was given the 411, I got excited. I havn't been given the okay to release any specific details yet, but just think of this as the calm before the storm..

And you can bet, just like with our hormonal line we had, our non hormonal line will be competitively priced (no pun intended).:thumbsup:

 

[gymrat827]

I would stay on the AI the whole time. I am pusling SD 3x a wk right now and using ERASE @ 2 caps a day.

 

[mattrag]

I would stay on the AI the whole time. I am pusling SD 3x a wk right now and using ERASE @ 2 caps a day.

I would use an AI everyday but monitor how your joints feel. You don't want the AI drying you up too much unless you are feeling high estrogen sides, then i'd up the AI lol.

 

[amethyst]

yea, you asked something like this before, i still stick with my original opinion and saw pulsing is for p**sies. if your scared of steroids, dont use them. no point in half assing it.

not eveyone has the same goal with steroids, there are people out there not wanting 15lbs in 30 days to be viewed as a roid head, some just want good recomp and a more athletic look which pulseing seems to be optimal for.even on a pulse your recomp time is way faster than all natural. I've never hear anyone asking about pulseing with the same goals in mind as someone takeing a streight cycle.