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My friend is an idiot

speedpastu

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OK.. Now that I got your attention let me tell you about my friend. He recently did an epistane cycle and finished it..then he waited one week and took dbol for 4 days straight then him and his friend ran out of the dbol and now he is starting a winny cycle about 4 days after the dbol. the idiot was planning on taking dbol once a week only on chest days to get some strength, i told him hes a dumbass... lol.. but anyways i was wondering if i could get some responses to print out and show him the effects of this especially because he has still yet to do a post cycle on the epi. oh and by the way he drinks about 4 times a week. so yea responses greatly appreciatied and im sure i will see some on this thread.
 
You must be a really good friend then.

I'd tell them a few times - but if they repeatedly refuse to listen to me or at least do research....well...there's a reason why the word "Darwinism" has been coined...

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink. Sorry, I'm just in that mood now...
 
This post is really interesting because it reminds me of one of my friends too. He took Phera-Plex straight up for 6 weeks with no liver support nothing, and drank about 3-4 times a week and once he was done that was that, no PCT or anything.

He didn't get gyno, but who knows what really happened inside him. That's pretty brave though, Phera-Plex for that long + drinking and no liver support or PCT at all.
 
your friend is hopping around on 3 different oral steroids...thats truly retarded.

ill type this straight to your friend.

first of all, youre an idiot and i hope you get what you have coming to you, which includes the following:
1. testicular shutdown (no it doesnt matter that you took the dbol only 1 day a week) or that winny isnt a mass drug. you are and will be shutdown for at least a year at this point without post cycle therapy
2. liver damage. you just stacked 3 orals. your lipid panel is probably so bad a doctor wouldnt even touch you.
3. joint damage, from epi to dbol to winny? i cant wait to hear what kind of injury you sustain.
4. tits, you didnt run a post cycle therapy, what do you think is going to happen after you cut out the winny? enjoy your new tits for me, estrogen will be the dominant hormoe in your boday after post cycle therapy. way to go jackhole.

what you should do.
stop being a retard
start PCT immediately
never touch a steroid again until youve done some godamn research

idiots like you are the reason steroids are illegal and ahve a bad name. i hope you get cancer of the left nut
 
jomi822 said:
your friend is hopping around on 3 different oral steroids...thats truly retarded.

ill type this straight to your friend.

first of all, youre an idiot and i hope you get what you have coming to you, which includes the following:
1. testicular shutdown (no it doesnt matter that you took the dbol only 1 day a week) or that winny isnt a mass drug. you are and will be shutdown for at least a year at this point without post cycle therapy
2. liver damage. you just stacked 3 orals. your lipid panel is probably so bad a doctor wouldnt even touch you.
3. joint damage, from epi to dbol to winny? i cant wait to hear what kind of injury you sustain.
4. tits, you didnt run a post cycle therapy, what do you think is going to happen after you cut out the winny? enjoy your new tits for me, estrogen will be the dominant hormoe in your boday after post cycle therapy. way to go jackhole.

what you should do.
stop being a retard
start post cycle therapy immediately
never touch a steroid again until youve done some godamn research

idiots like you are the reason steroids are illegal and ahve a bad name. i hope you get cancer of the left nut
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im gonna show that to my friend... prolly minus the cancer of the left nut lol.. anyways any more people wanna post some stuff so i can show him? come on guys i need more.
 
^^ yeah in very quick summary, those are some of the issues. Nevermind possible life long health/life style/child inhibiting issues. The list goes on and on....

There are allot of guys out there that feel that they are bulletproof and more specifcally for lifters, feel that nothing oral can harm them.

I have a friend too, that has done PP/dbol cycles and just ran milk thistle till he ran out, never bothering to get more. Taking them at 6-8wks straight, etc. Just very recently, I had to talk him into buying AI's CS for 20 mintues!! :smite:

Suffice to say there are allot of ignorant people in this world, and you will also find them at your gym.
 
JZ7757 said:
^^ yeah in very quick summary, those are some of the issues. Nevermind possible life long health/life style/child inhibiting issues. The list goes on and on....

There are allot of guys out there that feel that they are bulletproof and more specifcally for lifters, feel that nothing oral can harm them.

I have a friend too, that has done PP/dbol cycles and just ran milk thistle till he ran out, never bothering to get more. Taking them at 6-8wks straight, etc. Just very recently, I had to talk him into buying AI's CS for 20 mintues!! :smite:

Suffice to say there are allot of ignorant people in this world, and you will also find them at your gym.
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he asked me a question and i am not sure to the exact answer for this... he has been off epi for about a week now, he wants to run the winny cycle which is injections and then take a post cycle after that.. is that ok or should he just start the pct now? how long is the usual winny cycle anyways.
 
jomi822 said:
your friend is hopping around on 3 different oral steroids...thats truly retarded.

ill type this straight to your friend.

first of all, youre an idiot and i hope you get what you have coming to you, which includes the following:
1. testicular shutdown (no it doesnt matter that you took the dbol only 1 day a week) or that winny isnt a mass drug. you are and will be shutdown for at least a year at this point without post cycle therapy
2. liver damage. you just stacked 3 orals. your lipid panel is probably so bad a doctor wouldnt even touch you.
3. joint damage, from epi to dbol to winny? i cant wait to hear what kind of injury you sustain.
4. tits, you didnt run a post cycle therapy, what do you think is going to happen after you cut out the winny? enjoy your new tits for me, estrogen will be the dominant hormoe in your boday after post cycle therapy. way to go jackhole.

what you should do.
stop being a retard
start post cycle therapy immediately
never touch a steroid again until youve done some godamn research

idiots like you are the reason steroids are illegal and ahve a bad name. i hope you get cancer of the left nut
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Damn... a little ruff on the kid huh?!! Now why did you say cancer of the left nut? Do these steroids cause testicular cancer? I take that kind of talk as an insult!!!
 
speedpastu said:
he asked me a question and i am not sure to the exact answer for this... he has been off epi for about a week now, he wants to run the winny cycle which is injections and then take a post cycle after that.. is that ok or should he just start the post cycle therapy now? how long is the usual winny cycle anyways.
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well, without immediately saying YES (given his mentality and very probably lack of PCT cycle history), overall it is tuff to gague. Testie size, libido, etc. are all signs he is shutdown, and probably for a while now. Sounds like he runs stacks all the time(?). Granted, epi has SERM-like and anti-aromatase properties, but there is some shutdown.

I would just say no and convince him to have a balance back pct. He will get more out of the stuff later on down the road while perserving his health.
 
speedpastu said:
he asked me a question and i am not sure to the exact answer for this... he has been off epi for about a week now, he wants to run the winny cycle which is injections and then take a post cycle after that.. is that ok or should he just start the post cycle therapy now? how long is the usual winny cycle anyways.
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I'd tell him to start post cycle therapy as soon as he can, and not to do any other steroid cycle until he learns a lot more about what he's getting himself into. Introducing him to these forums is a good start for him.

It's good you're taking the time to try to help this guy out. I don't like to imagine how many people there are like your friend, for whom steroids will end up doing more harm than good, all because of ignorance.
 
bitterplacebo said:
I'd tell him to start post cycle therapy as soon as he can, and not to do any other steroid cycle until he learns a lot more about what he's getting himself into. Introducing him to these forums is a good start for him.

It's good you're taking the time to try to help this guy out. I don't like to imagine how many people there are like your friend, for whom steroids will end up doing more harm than good, all because of ignorance.
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well he hasnt done anything, epistane was his first "cycle", he finished that and then took dbol for 4 days and now he wants to run winny for a while and then do a post cycle (after seeing what i have showed him). could he start a winny cycle granted its about a week after he finished epi and did not do a post?
 
speedpastu said:
well he hasnt done anything, epistane was his first "cycle", he finished that and then took dbol for 4 days and now he wants to run winny for a while and then do a post cycle (after seeing what i have showed him). could he start a winny cycle granted its about a week after he finished epi and did not do a post?
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How long was the epistane used? Also how old is he?
If he's less than 21 or not much more over it, I wouldn't drag it out at all. He's just going to get shutdown and put himself in a bad situation to recover from.

This is not to mention that he's drinking frequently while doing these steroids that are toxic to the liver. He's going to damage his liver if he keeps it up. Another reason to not extend into a winstrol cycle.

Tell him to get a post cycle therapy organized, hopefully using toremifene as a SERM in this case because it's less liver toxic than other choices.

In general, I'd advise him to stop with the drinking altogether if he's getting into this stuff.
 
bitterplacebo said:
How long was the epistane used? Also how old is he?
If he's less than 21 or not much more over it, I wouldn't drag it out at all. He's just going to get shutdown and put himself in a bad situation to recover from.

This is not to mention that he's drinking frequently while doing these steroids that are toxic to the liver. He's going to damage his liver if he keeps it up. Another reason to not extend into a winstrol cycle.

Tell him to get a post cycle therapy organized, hopefully using toremifene as a SERM in this case because it's less liver toxic than other choices.

In general, I'd advise him to stop with the drinking altogether if he's getting into this stuff.
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The epi was used for one month, he has been off it for over a week now.. shouldn't he of started a pct right away. I mean how bad is it for him to of waited a week, start winny and then go on pct. as opposed to waiting a week and doing the pct.
 
speedpastu said:
The epi was used for one month, he has been off it for over a week now.. shouldn't he of started a post cycle therapy right away. I mean how bad is it for him to of waited a week, start winny and then go on post cycle therapy. as opposed to waiting a week and doing the post cycle therapy.
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Ideally he would have started the day after the last dose of epistane. I don't know how suppressed he is, so I can't say how bad it is to wait a week. It's in the past, so not worth worrying over now. But chances are he's still suppressed and would still benefit from pct asap. And in the future if he does things better he'll probably be a lot healthier for it.
 
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