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My first cycle???????

borninsin

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Wich of these should i go for:

Test E 400mg EW 1-10
Oral turanabol 40mg ED 1-4
Nolva 10mg ED 4-12 to prevent gyno

Or

Test E 400mg EW 1-10
Masteron E 1-6 (wich dose would you go for?)

Or would an unmethylated Prohormone like Alri methoxy TRN work well as a kicker from week 1-4 on my Test E cycle???

My goal is to gain as much mass and strenght as possible!!


Jan
 
borninsin said:
Okey, but is there any bi`s with Nolva??

And are OT as hard for the liver as people say??
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what was the first question:blink:

At the doses you have planned you will be fine even if you bump to 60mg, with proper support and as long as you dont do anything to further stress your liver (like drinking alcohol) you shouldnt have any liver problems to worry about.
 
pistonpump said:
what was the first question:blink:

At the doses you have planned you will be fine even if you bump to 60mg, with proper support and as long as you dont do anything to further stress your liver (like drinking alcohol) you shouldnt have any liver problems to worry about.
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Okey, but is there any bieffects with Nolva??
 
I would say the first one if you sub. the tbol for dbol for 2 reasons. I'm not saying you wan't get anything off of tbol but I tried it twice and I know a few others as well that tried them. We got nothing noticeable from them. Just an observation for you bro. Secondly you stated you wanted mass. I don't know anything better than test and dbol together for that. Well, if you added deca also now that is a mass cycle.
Anyway, I would say test e@400mg/wk. for 10-12 wks. and dbol@30-40mg/day wks.1-4.
I'm not a fan of masteron for bulking. I would save that for when you're pretty lean already and want to cut. It will harden you up nicely. Good luck w/ whatever you decide on.
 
cranny said:
I would say the first one if you sub. the tbol for dbol for 2 reasons. I'm not saying you wan't get anything off of tbol but I tried it twice and I know a few others as well that tried them. We got nothing noticeable from them. Just an observation for you bro. Secondly you stated you wanted mass. I don't know anything better than test and dbol together for that. Well, if you added deca also now that is a mass cycle.
Anyway, I would say test e@400mg/wk. for 10-12 wks. and dbol@30-40mg/day wks.1-4.
I'm not a fan of masteron for bulking. I would save that for when you're pretty lean already and want to cut. It will harden you up nicely. Good luck w/ whatever you decide on.
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Okey, but isnt D-bol full of sides and all that? And deca can be found in blood test 1 year after last injection?? At my gym in norway they have the right to blood test you if they smell that somethings going on!!!
 
borninsin said:
Okey, but isnt D-bol full of sides and all that? And deca can be found in blood test 1 year after last injection?? At my gym in norway they have the right to blood test you if they smell that somethings going on!!!
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True. But at 30mg/day that's pretty conservative IMO. As well, w/ it fast acting you could always drop it if need be. If I'm not mistaken tbol isn't that great on your liver as well. That's sucks about the testing bro. But you'll blow up on the test as well if the diet is right.
 
cranny said:
True. But at 30mg/day that's pretty conservative IMO. As well, w/ it fast acting you could always drop it if need be. If I'm not mistaken tbol isn't that great on your liver as well. That's sucks about the testing bro. But you'll blow up on the test as well if the diet is right.
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I know, but if i see they send me evil looks i go to the gym on my friends working place! But what about kick start with Test P??

Or Boldenone with Test E? but i have heard that boldenone isnt that safe because it raises the blood or something??
 
borninsin said:
I know, but if i see they send me evil looks i go to the gym on my friends working place! But what about kick start with Test P??

Or Boldenone with Test E? but i have heard that boldenone isnt that safe because it raises the blood or something??
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Yes. In fact I would rather just kickstart it w/ prop for the first 3-4 wks. Say 50mg/day.
Yeah, I think EQ can raise your BP quite a bit.
 
cranny said:
Yes. In fact I would rather just kickstart it w/ prop for the first 3-4 wks. Say 50mg/day.
Yeah, I think EQ can raise your BP quite a bit.
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Will Test P be just as good as D-bol as a kick and can i inject 100mg EOD? someone say that Test P is hurting as hell after you have injected is that true, hehe?? And what do you think i should do, 0.25mg Arimidex ED or Nolva 10mg ED to prevent gyno??
 
Dbol will give more weight,stronger feeling of on on the dbol. EOD is fine. Most of the time itll be painful, at least compared to enanthate although it mainly depends on who and how it was made. Id go with the nolva.
 
pistonpump said:
Dbol will give more weight,stronger feeling of on on the dbol. EOD is fine. Most of the time itll be painful, at least compared to enanthate although it mainly depends on who and how it was made. Id go with the nolva.
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Ok, i run Test from Xenon! but what will Test P give me as a kickstart and how long will the pain stay after inject?? So 10mg Nolva is enough to prevent gyno?

My stats are 187lbs, 1.81meters and 21 years old!! been training for 3 years!!
 
If have no experience with orals, I personally would stick with a test only cycle. Test-E for 12 weeks @ 500mg per week pinned on Monday and Thursday (250mg per day) What does your PCT look like?
 
freqfly said:
If have no experience with orals, I personally would stick with a test only cycle. Test-E for 12 weeks @ 500mg per week pinned on Monday and Thursday (250mg per day) What does your post cycle therapy look like?
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But why not Test P as a kickstart?

Nolvadex:
40mg week 1-2
20mg week 3-4
 
I prefer kickstarting w/ prop over an oral. If you can get prop made w/ EO(ethyl oleate) I would try that. It's pain free to most people. EOD would be fine. Prop left me pretty damn sore at first but as time went on they got better. Try to mix it w/ other compounds as much as possible to help out. It's not too bad. I'm not sure how you feel about ED pokes but I would rather do 50mg/day than 100 EOD starting out. The less volume may make it better for you. But try it at 100EOD. My last cutter I ran prop, tren a, mast., and winny all @100mg/ED and it wasn't too terribly bad.
 
borninsin said:
But why not Test P as a kickstart?

Nolvadex:
40mg week 1-2
20mg week 3-4
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The benefit with using only 1 compound for your first run is you'll know exactly what is causing what, when you run multiple compunds you dont know what is doing what, gains and sides. I wouldn't suggest Prop in a first cycle for 2 reasons: 1 that is a sh*t load of pinning, 2 Prop is known for its very painful injections. this being your 1st cycle, I promise you'll be more than impressed with test only. I know it's hard to be patient because it takes a few weeks to kick in, but again the wait will be worth it.
 
cranny said:
I prefer kickstarting w/ prop over an oral. If you can get prop made w/ EO(ethyl oleate) I would try that. It's pain free to most people. EOD would be fine. Prop left me pretty damn sore at first but as time went on they got better. Try to mix it w/ other compounds as much as possible to help out. It's not too bad. I'm not sure how you feel about ED pokes but I would rather do 50mg/day than 100 EOD starting out. The less volume may make it better for you. But try it at 100EOD. My last cutter I ran prop, tren a, mast., and winny all @100mg/ED and it wasn't too terribly bad.
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Okey, but what will Test P as a kicker do for me?? will i gain more with it as a kicker then just 400mg EW of Testo E?
 
freqfly said:
The benefit with using only 1 compound for your first run is you'll know exactly what is causing what, when you run multiple compunds you dont know what is doing what, gains and sides. I wouldn't suggest Prop in a first cycle for 2 reasons: 1 that is a sh*t load of pinning, 2 Prop is known for its very painful injections. this being your 1st cycle, I promise you'll be more than impressed with test only. I know it's hard to be patient because it takes a few weeks to kick in, but again the wait will be worth it.
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Sorry bro but I'm ashamed to admit I didn't even pay attention to this being your first cycle.
What freqfly posted is spot on IMO. Your first cycle should be just as he stated. Find out how you react to test e first. If you jump in w/ multiple compounds at first you'll have no idea what caused what should you get any sides. Keep it simple this first go around. Test e and a solid diet will yield enormous gains this first time. There's plenty of time for stacks later.
I'll try to pay closer attention next time. Sorry.
 
cranny said:
Sorry bro but I'm ashamed to admit I didn't even pay attention to this being your first cycle.
What freqfly posted is spot on IMO. Your first cycle should be just as he stated. Find out how you react to test e first. If you jump in w/ multiple compounds at first you'll have no idea what caused what should you get any sides. Keep it simple this first go around. Test e and a solid diet will yield enormous gains this first time. There's plenty of time for stacks later.
I'll try to pay closer attention next time. Sorry.
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No problem;) And thank you all for the help!! ill go with Test E only!!
 
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