My First Cycle

trophymade

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Hello, everyone. Going to get my blood work, and after that, going to run this cycle and I wish to get some advice on it.

Week 1-8: Test 400mg weekly, split between 200mg dosages
Take blood work.
Week 8-24: Test 500 mg, split between 250mg dosages
Week 24-28: Test 300 mg, split between 150mg dosages
Week 32-36: PCT (25mg enclomiphene + 40mg nolvadex)

Any thoughts?
 
It's the General belief that ramping down is a bad idea.
Generally, a person would need (if Any change is needed), More Androgens later in the cycle.
So, Many utilize consistency throughout, unless change is deemed necessary, and some use more later in longer cycles.
 
I've read that ramping down is needed for your hormones not to crash (or something like that) before PCT. If that isn't the case, then should I just do PCT after my 500mg weekly split, rather than ramping down to 300mg?
 
trophymade said:
I've read that ramping down is needed for your hormones not to crash (or something like that) before PCT. If that isn't the case, then should I just do PCT after my 500mg weekly split, rather than ramping down to 300mg?
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Yeah, I know that some people (still) erroneously say that.
Ramping down doesn't keep Hormones from crashing.
If you are still adding exogenous (external) Androgens to your body, in any significant amount, your body's own natural hormone production is still actively ramping down. So you would still be getting the negatives from the cycle, with less of the positives.
 
Rockslide said:
28 week first cycle …. Doesn’t sound like that is going to be an easy pct
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I Personally agree that over half a year, for a first cycle is ambitious.

To the OP: My comment wasn't me stating that I believe the rest of the cycle looks good.

You can run whatever you like, of course.
But if you want real insight into the cycle (which I definitely recommend the first time..... Some guys Still lay their cycles out for critique, after Years of experience) ....
You could give the guys here (The ones that have been here a long time, I personally vouch for. A LOT of knowledge there) .. a complete rundown of your stats, training history, and the specs on the cycle, like esters ....

I know that it's easy to feel like people are being nosy, or overly critical, but that's rarely the case here. We all have our own lives, but are more than happy to help out when possible.
(We were all there at one point).

:)
 
trophymade said:
Hello, everyone. Going to get my blood work, and after that, going to run this cycle and I wish to get some advice on it.

Week 1-8: Test 400mg weekly, split between 200mg dosages
Take blood work.
Week 8-24: Test 500 mg, split between 250mg dosages
Week 24-28: Test 300 mg, split between 150mg dosages
Week 32-36: PCT (25mg enclomiphene + 40mg nolvadex)

Any thoughts?
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Half a year for a first cycle is insane in my opinion. I'd also say that as a first cycle you might find that 250 per week will work fantastically as long as you eat big. I'd run that for 12 weeks if it were my first cycle followed by PCT. If you get a month in and aren't feeling it you can always bump it up. Shutdown off a half year cycle will be brutal. I like starting with the lower dose because over time as you do more cycles you will bump it up out of necessity.
 
trophymade said:
I've read that ramping down is needed for your hormones not to crash (or something like that) before PCT. If that isn't the case, then should I just do PCT after my 500mg weekly split, rather than ramping down to 300mg?
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No you don't want to ramp down the drugs have a half life and they taper themselves off. All you're doing is dragging out the cycle on lower doses which is going to be less productive for muscle growth and just make you stay suppressed longer
 
To go more in depth than I did above.

Cycle is too long. Shut down for way too long , going to be a hard recovery. Most people in my opinion aren’t recovered in 4 weeks from a 12 week cycle, much less one that long. You aren’t recovered until your blood work is back in the normal range several weeks after being off of pct . If I were talking to myself 20 years ago I would demand myself to have used hCG back then .

In fact if I were to go back in time and talk to myself I would tell myself to run prop, 8 to 10 weeks with hCG. Quick on, quick off, quickly restore normal hpta to try to minimize gains lost. If you can keep 2-4 lbs of quality muscle from a cycle 3 months after you are off you have accomplished more than 90% of cycles do.

Other issue is the tapering down. You’re losing androgen receptor sensitivity the longer you are on. The androgen receptors are getting downgraded. That means same amount of drug is at best doing equal or less . By tapering down you’re actually getting less than you were early in the cycle when tapering up for the same amount of health risk
 
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Yeah, 7 months really is too long for your first cycle. 12 weeks for your first cycle is plenty, and PCT will be smoother. Like Smont said 300 to 500 a week is a good first cycle. You could start at 300 and ramp up to 500 when gains stall, and as others have said ramping down is not needed. You should log it I’m sure some of us will follow and give advice if you want.
 
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