My first Cycle - Test, EQ, and Dbol.

Sliverbacknerd

Sliverbacknerd

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Sup Gentleman,

I just got my first cycle :
Testosterone 500mg/week
Eq 500mg/week
Dbol 50mg/day

5’8” 196lb 15-20% Body Fat. Gym six days a week.

Feeling like this may be a bit much for a newbie but this is what was recommended.

Would like a consensus.
 
I don't really understand the desire to throw in multiple compounds right of the bat. I'd go with test only myself. 500 mg of test only possibly even overkill. I would personally start with 300 mg or 350 mg and up the dose later on, if felt like it.
 
That looks like a Jordon Oakley recommended first cycle. You been watching the Oakster, OP?
 
First cycle should be test only. Learn how your body reacts. Also get your body fat lower. Test and dbol will aromatize causing your e2 to elevate. This can happen at a faster rate at a higher body fat. Ive done test EQ and dbol cycle before. Overall good lean cycle. However was not my first cycle.
 
Test/Eq I think is a good first cycle but I would start lower and go up, start 250/250 and see how you feel and then go up, I would also do Dbol in the end of cycle. How long are you planning on going?
 
Stupid fucking first cycle. Whoever recommended that doesn’t know dick about making progress, beyond just upping the dose.

1-Multiple new compounds mean you won’t know what’s doing what, what is causing sides, & what you do & don’t respond well to.

2-EQ is really user-specific. Some guys love it, can use a ton, no sides. Some it crashes estrogen, makes your blood so thick you can stroke out, or develop crippling anxiety.

3-NOBODY needs 1,350mg/wk to maximize growth on their first run. I have been using steroids for over a decade, and am currently growing and building strength on ~850 total mg/wk.

Try 4-500mg test for the first cycle. Figure out how it treats you, how much AI you need. If it’s going well towards the end, then add 20-30mg of Dbol to finish strong. If you like that fine for the first one, NEXT cycle you could throw a cc of EQ on top of all that. And you will want bloodwork earlier on with EQ present to see if you need to donate blood & what it’s doing to your estrogen.
 
Hyde said:
Stupid fucking first cycle. Whoever recommended that doesn’t know dick about making progress, beyond just upping the dose.

1-Multiple new compounds mean you won’t know what’s doing what, what is causing sides, & what you do & don’t respond well to.

2-EQ is really user-specific. Some guys love it, can use a ton, no sides. Some it crashes estrogen, makes your blood so thick you can stroke out, or develop crippling anxiety.

3-NOBODY needs 1,350mg/wk to maximize growth on their first run. I have been using steroids for over a decade, and am currently growing and building strength on ~850 total mg/wk.

Try 4-500mg test for the first cycle. Figure out how it treats you, how much AI you need. If it’s going well towards the end, then add 20-30mg of Dbol to finish strong. If you like that fine for the first one, NEXT cycle you could throw a cc of EQ on top of all that. And you will want bloodwork earlier on with EQ present to see if you need to donate blood & what it’s doing to your estrogen.
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I somewhat agree with this but at the same time I don’t see a problem with doing multiple drugs for first cycle. Understand me the right way, I’m not saying do Tren/Trest/Halo for first cycle but Test&Eq is a fairly mild cycle and with the Eq you probably don’t need AI. The amounts OP wants to do is stupid, that’s why I recommended to start at 250/250, Dbol is too high also, 20mg is plenty for first time.

My first cycle was Test&Mast and it was great, I started at 250/250 and ended at 375/375, no AI was needed and I had no sides to speak of.

Test only is never Test only since you have to use AI or something else to combat E.

I’m not trying start a debate but this is my opinion, I respect your knowledge and your opinions even if we might not agree on this.
 
BBiceps said:
I somewhat agree with this but at the same time I don’t see a problem with doing multiple drugs for first cycle. Understand me the right way, I’m not saying do Tren/Trest/Halo for first cycle but Test&Eq is a fairly mild cycle and with the Eq you probably don’t need AI. The amounts OP wants to do is stupid, that’s why I recommended to start at 250/250, Dbol is too high also, 20mg is plenty for first time.

My first cycle was Test&Mast and it was great, I started at 250/250 and ended at 375/375, no AI was needed and I had no sides to speak of.

Test only is never Test only since you have to use AI or something else to combat E.

I’m not trying start a debate but this is my opinion, I respect your knowledge and your opinions even if we might not agree on this.
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If it goes well for him like it did for you that would work, yes. But EQ is known to be very hit or miss based on the individual, and someone new probably isn’t going to get bloodwork or be able to interpret it correctly if they do.

I was cruising 120/120 test/eq this summer and it messed up my bloodwork by week 7, even at a tiny dose it had crashed my e2 (joints were getting dry & painful and Ultrasensitive Estradiol assay showed E2 at 19 while total test was nearly 1,200), which screwed up my lipids (despite actually leaning out due to my diet & becoming more fit from training structure), as well as driving up blood values. And I was getting very lethargic. Dropped the EQ and felt better in a few weeks, and bloods were much better 6-7 weeks later.

Anyway, that was just my experience and why my opinion is such - definitely not trying to argue or crap on yours. I know some people can use huge doses with very little else and do excellent on EQ. I just think it really is something that has to be experimented with.
 
I agree with Hyde.


Id even start lower, say 250mg/week for the first 4-6 weeks then try bumping it up once your natural production is suppressed. Have ai on hand, but don't use it unnecessarily.
 
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