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bw31

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Hey everyone,
I have recently decided to discontinue my use of steroids, as I have many life changing decisions(Graduating, Job, Marriage, etc..) to make in the next 6 months. I am looking for the best PCT there is. Cost is not an issue. I am talking not only serm, but also test booster, zma, trib, hcg, cortisol blocker, etc...

I have read a lot of research about long term pct, and have found a lot saying a longer pct really gives the body time to regulate. I am thinking about 8-10 weeks of clomid and nolvadex. Something like 100 and 40 the first 2-4 weeks then 50 and 20 for the following 6 weeks. I am also thinking about using HCG(although this is one of the only products I am having a hard time finding) starting during the time between my last injection and serm, for the following 10 days, leading up to the start of my serm. I then plan to run a test booster or maybe multiple test boosters in a row for about 3 months to really make sure everything is back up to normal.

I would also like to put it out there that I have helped the sport in many ways. I have inspired many people to start competing, many competitors to train harder, as well as running my own shows and bringing new names to the sport. I am one of you and I hope you guys can take the time to help me with this.
 
bw31 said:
Hey everyone,
I have recently decided to discontinue my use of steroids, as I have many life changing decisions(Graduating, Job, Marriage, etc..) to make in the next 6 months. I am looking for the best PCT there is. Cost is not an issue. I am talking not only serm, but also test booster, zma, trib, hcg, cortisol blocker, etc...

I have read a lot of research about long term pct, and have found a lot saying a longer pct really gives the body time to regulate. I am thinking about 8-10 weeks of clomid and nolvadex. Something like 100 and 40 the first 2-4 weeks then 50 and 20 for the following 6 weeks. I am also thinking about using HCG(although this is one of the only products I am having a hard time finding) starting during the time between my last injection and serm, for the following 10 days, leading up to the start of my serm. I then plan to run a test booster or maybe multiple test boosters in a row for about 3 months to really make sure everything is back up to normal.

I would also like to put it out there that I have helped the sport in many ways. I have inspired many people to start competing, many competitors to train harder, as well as running my own shows and bringing new names to the sport. I am one of you and I hope you guys can take the time to help me with this.
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I have never run pct longer than 4 weeks and I recover just fine. However I do cycle aas, if you have stayed on for years at a time, recovery is probably gonna take a little longer. I have always recovered fine with clomid and a test booster.
 
joeblow1 said:
I have never run pct longer than 4 weeks and I recover just fine. However I do cycle aas, if you have stayed on for years at a time, recovery is probably gonna take a little longer. I have always recovered fine with clomid and a test booster.
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I cycle as well. I have been on test for about 4 months now. I have also had a few weeks of tren ace, dbol, and anavar throughout the cycle.

However, I ended up getting an invite to a show after only being off a month or so and got back on. I was only off for about 5 weeks instead of my usual 8-10. Plus this cycle was my longest. I just want to make sure everything gets back to normal as fast as possible.

Do you dose your clomid at 100/100/50/50? Which tb do u prefer?
 
Ive never seen anyone run a pct past 6wks. Maybe once or twice and that was a guy coming off a 8-14 month cycle. Clomid @ 100/100/50/50 + nolva @ 40/40/20/20 should get anyone back to normal T production. But 1 serm should do it.

Adding a quality T booster like HCGenerate or topical sustain alpha would really help you recover 100%. I like to use a low dose AI to bring down serum estrogen that SERM's spike while being used. Corisol is another issue to address, Vit C @ 1000mg 3-4x ED or something like supress C will do the trick.

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nolva 40/40/20/20
HCGenerate
Forma stanzol 0/8/10/10/8/6/4 total pumps a day, split into 2 doses am + pm
Supress C starting wk 2 or 3 of pct.
 
Well, minus the Phera stuck in my PCT, you could consider something similar to this. Just mix and max the SERM, AI and T-Boosters of choice..

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And you obviously wouldn't need the Triptorelin
 
hows this look:

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bw31 said:
hows this look:

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Modified, I'd remove Nolva. Reduce Clomid to 50mg across each week, and shift the HCGenerate down to weeks 2-5. I also assume you meant 12.5mg/day of the Aromasin. 2.5mg isn't gonna do much I don't believe. If your t-levels aren't sky high after all of that, then there is no hope and you should go to the doc to get TRT.
 
fueledpassion said:
Modified, I'd remove Nolva. Reduce Clomid to 50mg across each week, and shift the HCGenerate down to weeks 2-5. I also assume you meant 12.5mg/day of the Aromasin. 2.5mg isn't gonna do much I don't believe. If your t-levels aren't sky high after all of that, then there is no hope and you should go to the doc to get TRT.
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Why should I remove the nolva?
 
Clomid increases the HPTA production the same way that Nolva does. You wouldnt need Nolva and Clomid both for PCT unless u wanted Nolva for estro control. But in this case u have Aromasin so no Nolva needed. Furthermore, dont u think that 1 SERM and 2 really effective T Boosters isnt enough? SERMs should always be reduced as much as possible and in this case, unless u r really prone to gyno, I'd leave Nolva out.
 
fueledpassion said:
Clomid increases the HPTA production the same way that Nolva does. You wouldnt need Nolva and Clomid both for PCT unless u wanted Nolva for estro control. But in this case u have Aromasin so no Nolva needed. Furthermore, dont u think that 1 SERM and 2 really effective T Boosters isnt enough? SERMs should always be reduced as much as possible and in this case, unless u r really prone to gyno, I'd leave Nolva out.
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I actually do not want to run a high dose of aroma. I was thinking 2.5 or 5mg a day. I am a competitive lifter, and my joints take a beating. What would you think of 20nolva and 50clomid for 4-6 weeks?
 
Well in that case drop the Aromasin and run Nolva and Clomid together. Have Nolva @ 20/20/20/10/10/10 and Clomid @ 50/50/50/25/25/25.
 
Clomid & Nolva as discussed, run as long as you like tapering down
Definitely run hcg all the way through, start of at 250iu 3x a week for first two, then 2 x a week of same dose next two & taper off from there.

Don't know about over the counter stuff, cause most is a scam but maybe some strong tribulus etc, but you'd need a high dose
Maybe use some string ZMA too, that should also help
 
7ten11 said:
Clomid & Nolva as discussed, run as long as you like tapering down
Definitely run hcg all the way through, start of at 250iu 3x a week for first two, then 2 x a week of same dose next two & taper off from there.

Don't know about over the counter stuff, cause most is a scam but maybe some strong tribulus etc, but you'd need a high dose
Maybe use some string ZMA too, that should also help
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HCG all the way through pct or cycle?
 
Also guys, I didn't really want to put it out there earlier, but sometimes I have a problem getting/maintaining a full erection. It seems to get about 80% and then stay there or get all the way hard then soften up... I think this is because of my previous tren use, but i noticed the effects after a superdrol. Is there anything else I should think about adding in to help get this problem back to normal.
 
bw31 said:
HCG all the way through pct or cycle?
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Considering he's just doing a pct, that's all he'll require it for.
Otherwise, if he had asked me about full cycle plan, not just pct, I would recommend hcg all way through cycle including pct
 
Thanks for the advice guys! I usually use caber when I use tren. How exactly should I dose bromo during pct?
 
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