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My Cenegenics Experience

yeh i think that just now there is an emerging change in analyzing hrt therapies. all that crap about how T alone is the defacto supreme way of administering hrt. frankly, i felt terrible on T alone. i would rather have a total T of 300 as well as a healthy hormonal balance than a TRT dose of 200mg PW of T, because yes, you might have high T, but all of your other hormones that precede T are out of wack.

i would highly recommend that you try some PREG TD life flo OTC for like 10 bucks and that you post your reaction on this board...a guinea pig if you will lol

colkurtz_spf said:
Thanks for the advice. I may try it in the future. I've also tried EOD shots of HCG but that didn't work well for me. My E2 went way up. I do better with less frequency. I like the HCG dose I'm now, and will post the results after I draw. I can't imagine feeling any better than I do now. I wish I felt this good in my 30s.
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Oral HCG

In regards to oral HCG, you can buy it from a company called Mediral. Well actually, you can't technically unless you are a registered homeopathic health professional. This is what allot of weight loss clinics use when they put people on the popular hcg diet. Your supposed to put 10-20 drops under your tounge.

I found out about this from a lady that has a clinic here in town. We got to talkin' and told her I didn't want to do the diet, but try it our for other purposes to see if it would make me feel better. I have tried injectable HCG also, but think I actually prefer the oral because I really couldn't tell the difference. The oral is so much easier to deal with and you can take it with you.

If anyone is interested, I have noticed some people selling it on ebay if they really want to try it out. I'm lucky I have a source here in town. For now, I'm trying to stay off the HCG until I get my thyroid and adrenal issues dealt with.

As an interesting note, I did have mid-range T before the oral HCG. Stopped 10 days before doing a Rhein's Urine test. My TT numbers came up to the top of the range. I was surprised because I thought it would have been out of my system by the time of the test. It looks like I responded very well. As a negative though, it raised my progesterone to double the range and dhea & it's metabolites. It would be nice to have the high test from the use of HCG without it also raising preg. & Progesterone also. I think these are killing my libido currently.
 
health4life24 said:
In regards to oral HCG, you can buy it from a company called Mediral. Well actually, you can't technically unless you are a registered homeopathic health professional. This is what allot of weight loss clinics use when they put people on the popular hcg diet. Your supposed to put 10-20 drops under your tounge.

I found out about this from a lady that has a clinic here in town. We got to talkin' and told her I didn't want to do the diet, but try it our for other purposes to see if it would make me feel better. I have tried injectable HCG also, but think I actually prefer the oral because I really couldn't tell the difference. The oral is so much easier to deal with and you can take it with you.

If anyone is interested, I have noticed some people selling it on ebay if they really want to try it out. I'm lucky I have a source here in town. For now, I'm trying to stay off the HCG until I get my thyroid and adrenal issues dealt with.

As an interesting note, I did have mid-range T before the oral HCG. Stopped 10 days before doing a Rhein's Urine test. My TT numbers came up to the top of the range. I was surprised because I thought it would have been out of my system by the time of the test. It looks like I responded very well. As a negative though, it raised my progesterone to double the range and dhea & it's metabolites. It would be nice to have the high test from the use of HCG without it also raising preg. & Progesterone also. I think these are killing my libido currently.
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This is not what I'm talking about. I'll be testing lipid encapsulated HCG tablets, not a homeopathic formula. Mine, theoretically should yield the same result as injection. I wouldn't touch any of the orals advertised on the Internet.
 
colkurtz_spf said:
This is not what I'm talking about. I'll be testing lipid encapsulated HCG tablets, not a homeopathic formula. Mine, theoretically should yield the same result as injection. I wouldn't touch any of the orals advertised on the Internet.
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I think the oral is just as good if not better. Who wants to deal with injections when you can put 10-20 drops under your tongue? Seriously, I couldn't tell that much of a difference. I think that I actually felt better on the oral to tell you the truth.
 
health4life24 said:
I think the oral is just as good if not better. Who wants to deal with injections when you can put 10-20 drops under your tongue? Seriously, I couldn't tell that much of a difference. I think that I actually felt better on the oral to tell you the truth.
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If it threw your other hormones out of whack it failed.
 
Colkurtz -Very interesting write-up on Cenegenics. I also play competitive tennis but now that I am 46 i've had a few knee surgeries, gained weight, etc...so I'm considering Cenegenics. I'm now 6'4, 250 lbs and Im having trouble getting weight off which I need to do to take pressure off my knees and move better on the court.

Since I've gained about 15-20 lbs in the last 1.5 years, I'm considering Cenegenics...maybe there is a hormone issue they can addres?

Bottomline, would your recommend it to get lean and perform better on the court?

Also, what is your current weight, etc. after all of your treatments?

Thanks very much...
 
I joined Cenegenics because of a particular doctor. In this field of medicine, I don't subscribe to cookie-cutter treatments. Hormone modulation depends on the individual. My doctor eventually became a CEO of Cenegenics. He moved his clinic and changed his approach to therapy. It wasn't to my liking so I switched doctors and ended my relationship with Cenegenics. That was 18 months ago, and I have no regrets whatsoever.

I'm a believer in nutrition, exercise and hormone therapy when necessary. Currently, I weigh around 230. I'd like to lose another 10 pounds or so. I have two bad knees. One put me out of pro tennis over 30 years ago. The lighter you can get, the quicker you will heal. A 5% reduction in body weight can lead to dramatic improvement. I recommend swimming, stretching and physical therapy. Give up tennis for a while or limit your time on the court if you're competitive. Try two half hour sessions a week with limited movement. You can have someone feed you forehands and backhands down the middle for 20 minutes followed by 10 minutes of serving. This will help you keep your timing.


madtown said:
Colkurtz -Very interesting write-up on Cenegenics. I also play competitive tennis but now that I am 46 i've had a few knee surgeries, gained weight, etc...so I'm considering Cenegenics. I'm now 6'4, 250 lbs and Im having trouble getting weight off which I need to do to take pressure off my knees and move better on the court.

Since I've gained about 15-20 lbs in the last 1.5 years, I'm considering Cenegenics...maybe there is a hormone issue they can addres?

Bottomline, would your recommend it to get lean and perform better on the court?

Also, what is your current weight, etc. after all of your treatments?

Thanks very much...
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I am surprised that you yielded such strong results from the OTC homeopathic formula, that the colonel has commented on. might i suggest that you have these numbers verified through a different method, i.e. TT, e2, FT through blood draw ? The homeopathic HCG is snake oil in my opinion. HCG will degrade after reconstitution if not refrigerated. You can get the homeopathic formula on craigs list, not to mention ebay. That gives you an idea of what kind of product it is.


colkurtz_spf said:
This is not what I'm talking about. I'll be testing lipid encapsulated HCG tablets, not a homeopathic formula. Mine, theoretically should yield the same result as injection. I wouldn't touch any of the orals advertised on the Internet.
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Hey colkhurtz, could you give me the lab ranges? Thanks.

TT 948
FT 197.4
BT 405.9
E2 24
DHT 78
DHEA 374







colkurtz_spf said:
Right now I'm doing 1500IUs E3D with .5 mg of Arimidex. Each morning I take 75 mg of DHEA. That is my usual protocol. I had been on 1000 E3D and these were the results:


Hey colkhurtz, could you give me the lab ranges? Thanks.

TT 948
FT 197.4
BT 405.9
E2 24
DHT 78
DHEA 374

My testosterone levels were lower at that dose and I felt the difference. I didn't test progesterone, but my range has always been good.
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Mediral is to HCG what Protein Powder is to Testosterone :trout:

i.e. not the same thing !


Wow...didn't realize this thread is 1 yr old !

Maybe the colonel has some exciting updates to share !


health4life24 said:
I think the oral is just as good if not better. Who wants to deal with injections when you can put 10-20 drops under your tongue? Seriously, I couldn't tell that much of a difference. I think that I actually felt better on the oral to tell you the truth.
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I have nothing exciting to share. The lab decided not to make an oral version of HCG. I'm still pinning twice a week, and feel great. The results have been good so far.

living2die said:
Mediral is to HCG what Protein Powder is to Testosterone :trout:

i.e. not the same thing !


Wow...didn't realize this thread is 1 yr old !

Maybe the colonel has some exciting updates to share !
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Colonel, how long have you been on and off HCG ? What was your longest break from using HCG ? How long were you off of HCG before you hit your baseline hormonal levels ? Did you use an AI like Arimidex while coming off of HCG to kick start your natural GnRH and subsequent LH and FSH production ?



colkurtz_spf said:
I have nothing exciting to share. The lab decided not to make an oral version of HCG. I'm still pinning twice a week, and feel great. The results have been good so far.
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I took an 8 month break after the first year. Within a month I established my baseline numbers. I didn't use Arimidex.

living2die said:
Colonel, how long have you been on and off HCG ? What was your longest break from using HCG ? How long were you off of HCG before you hit your baseline hormonal levels ? Did you use an AI like Arimidex while coming off of HCG to kick start your natural GnRH and subsequent LH and FSH production ?
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Guys I have read as much as I can here on this thread. I am a 55 year old married man with 4 kids and now have some time to attend to me. I am considering the cenegenics program and would like to know what the over all thoughts are here with the contributors to this forum. I truly appreciate all of your input.

Thanks

Chris G
 
If you want to fork out 5-6 grand a year for what you get for 1/4 or less of the price else where. You make the choice. They are all about advertisement and marketing.
 
My first experience with Cenegenics was a good. My doctor had published several books on health an aging. He was a former thoracic surgeon and an accomplished tri-athlete. His office was a hole in the wall, but he was a damn good doctor. I was impressed. Unfortunately, he had just joined Cenegenics. In the beginning I noticed no difference. He was the same no-nonsense guy. Within a year he opened up a slick spa style operation, and shortly thereafter became the CEO of Cenegenics - at least for my area. Not only did the prices go up, he insisted on new prescriptions when me protocol was working well. I left Cenegenics three years ago and don't miss it. In my opinion, it's a total waste of money. I like the doctor who has been treating me for the last three years. I feel great, and at a fraction of the cost. I'm the guy who started this thread five years ago.

cgio said:
Guys I have read as much as I can here on this thread. I am a 55 year old married man with 4 kids and now have some time to attend to me. I am considering the cenegenics program and would like to know what the over all thoughts are here with the contributors to this forum. I truly appreciate all of your input.

Thanks

Chris G
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colkurtz,

We are about the same age. I was thinking about trying Cenegenics, but your posts as well as other online information has convinced me that this is not the way to go. I am a former athlete like yourself. I qualified for the Olympic Trials in 1980, but the USA boycotted and I didn't have the luxury of trying again in 84 (I had to make a living).

Can you possibly share information about your current doctor? I want to find a professional to help me get the right combinations of hormones/supplements to attain and maintain good health and fitness. I am 6'4" and 230 lbs. I work out 5 days a week - weights and cardio.

Can you be of help?
 
Have you noticed if you restrict calories while on HCG you can lose fat quickly while maintaining muscle? I've noticed this on 250mcg EOD.
 
Hi colkurtz_spf
I know that this is an old thread . but just wondering how you are doing? And... Are you still taking HCG and a estrogen inhibitor ?

Thanks Dave.
 
What is your experience? what is the main ingedient in
Cenegenics? is it HGH?
colkurtz_spf said:
Good call on stating this forum B5150. I will use this to update my Cenegenics experience.

Last week they sent a nurse to draw blood at my home. She drew six vials. Eight weeks prior to that I stopped transdermal test. I was put on 5000 IUs of HCG for four weeks and then off for four before drawing blood. I also fasted for 12 hours. Since then I have been back on the HCG and feel pretty good. My energy level is high, my libido is high and I'm sleeping well.

Next Friday morning I'll be checking into a hospital for extensive testing and a consultation with the doctor.

I'll keep everyone posted.
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GF Joe said:
What is your experience? what is the main ingedient in
Cenegenics? is it HGH?
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In our area is can range between $2000-$6000 or more per year..
 
Cenegenics

I used to be an affiliate physician for Cenegenics, I have treated several hundred clients and I can tell you that the responses are dramatic and real but it is solely dependent on following the nutrition and adherence to the optimal exercise routine (this is tailored according to your goals). I rarely have foound a need for HGH in my clients, well over 80% will increase their growth hormone levels using just testosterone, diet, and exercise. I'm not talking about minor improvements, I'm talking 100-200 point increases in IGF-1 levels. Cenegenics was truly a pioneer in this field but unfortunately they limit access because of cost, when they started requiring affiliates to match their pricing, I had to branch off on my own.
 
Cenegenics

PaleoDoc said:
I used to be an affiliate physician for Cenegenics, I have treated several hundred clients and I can tell you that the responses are dramatic and real but it is solely dependent on following the nutrition and adherence to the optimal exercise routine (this is tailored according to your goals). I rarely have foound a need for HGH in my clients, well over 80% will increase their growth hormone levels using just testosterone, diet, and exercise. I'm not talking about minor improvements, I'm talking 100-200 point increases in IGF-1 levels. Cenegenics was truly a pioneer in this field but unfortunately they limit access because of cost, when they started requiring affiliates to match their pricing, I had to branch off on my own.
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I am currently a Cenegenics physician; in fact I am Dr. Life's new partner in Las Vegas. I want to say that Cenegenics advertising changed my life for the better. I was an Emergency Physician for 18 years before burning out completely. After seeing all the ads for Cenegenics I became interested and finally signed up to become a patient. After a month of treatment I had to buy a new wardrobe because all of my pants were falling down. Unfortunately I went out and bought a bunch of new clothes only to have them fall off the following month. Along with the physical transition came an emotional one. I went from being a burnt out ER Doc to an alive energetic physician excited to share the treatment that was helping me. To the question does Cenegenics work? I say "YES". I was 48 years old going on 88. Now I am 49 going on 19!! I have energy, I have motivation, I have a sex drive. I have my life back!! Are other physicians doing similar things out of there office, maybe, but how would I know other than word of mouth or maybe this forum? Cenegenics is not cheap, BUT they are comprehensive. I was absolutely thrilled with the care I was given and excited to join the team. For those of you thinking about getting treatment, DO IT!! It will change your life!!!
 
DrGolan said:
I am currently a Cenegenics physician; in fact I am Dr. Life's new partner in Las Vegas. I want to say that Cenegenics advertising changed my life for the better. I was an Emergency Physician for 18 years before burning out completely. After seeing all the ads for Cenegenics I became interested and finally signed up to become a patient. After a month of treatment I had to buy a new wardrobe because all of my pants were falling down. Unfortunately I went out and bought a bunch of new clothes only to have them fall off the following month. Along with the physical transition came an emotional one. I went from being a burnt out ER Doc to an alive energetic physician excited to share the treatment that was helping me. To the question does Cenegenics work? I say "YES". I was 48 years old going on 88. Now I am 49 going on 19!! I have energy, I have motivation, I have a sex drive. I have my life back!! Are other physicians doing similar things out of there office, maybe, but how would I know other than word of mouth or maybe this forum? Cenegenics is not cheap, BUT they are comprehensive. I was absolutely thrilled with the care I was given and excited to join the team. For those of you thinking about getting treatment, DO IT!! It will change your life!!!
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Since HGH has very serious restrictions, I presume that it isn't used very often. If that is so, why is the Cenegenics treatment so expensive?
 
We take a team approach which involves a nutritionist, an exercise physiologist as well as the physician. All members are extremely active in each patient’s program. Also we do extensive laboratory testing on each patient and follow them closely for progression of health as well as complications of treatment. Further we use Dexa scan and VO2 max testing to develop a program and follow the results of that program on an individual basis. The blood tests alone can run $1,200 and these are done 3-4 times per year. The entire approach is designed to take an average person and guide them through the transition from average Joe to the best that they can be.
I understand the fact that not everyone needs all of this attention and that this approach makes it financially implausible for many people. On the other hand, this is a model that works. For those that can afford it, it is a new beginning. If all we offered was a prescription for testosterone and a bit of advice on diet and exercise then the program could be very cheap. However, not many people would get the benefit that I see in my patients. Your average 56yo business man needs a lot more than that to get him to where we want him. We provide the ongoing support as well as the extensive testing to safely and assuredly guide our patients from their current state to where we want them; in the lowest risk categories for all the age related diseases (heart attack, stroke, dementia, cancer, etc.).
 
DrGolan said:
We take a team approach which involves a nutritionist, an exercise physiologist as well as the physician. All members are extremely active in each patient’s program. Also we do extensive laboratory testing on each patient and follow them closely for progression of health as well as complications of treatment. Further we use Dexa scan and VO2 max testing to develop a program and follow the results of that program on an individual basis. The blood tests alone can run $1,200 and these are done 3-4 times per year. The entire approach is designed to take an average person and guide them through the transition from average Joe to the best that they can be.
I understand the fact that not everyone needs all of this attention and that this approach makes it financially implausible for many people. On the other hand, this is a model that works. For those that can afford it, it is a new beginning. If all we offered was a prescription for testosterone and a bit of advice on diet and exercise then the program could be very cheap. However, not many people would get the benefit that I see in my patients. Your average 56yo business man needs a lot more than that to get him to where we want him. We provide the ongoing support as well as the extensive testing to safely and assuredly guide our patients from their current state to where we want them; in the lowest risk categories for all the age related diseases (heart attack, stroke, dementia, cancer, etc.).
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Extensive is right. Hard to imagine that a 56 yo business man needs VO2 max testing or even a full blood panel 4 times a year, but if he can afford it...I take it also that the exercise physiologist is a bit more than the trainer down at the local gym.
 
texastea said:
Extensive is right. Hard to imagine that a 56 yo business man needs VO2 max testing or even a full blood panel 4 times a year, but if he can afford it...I take it also that the exercise physiologist is a bit more than the trainer down at the local gym.
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Yes, they all have at least a bachelor’s degree in their field. Many are or were trainers as well.
The VO2 Max testing gives us specific information about the patient. Just last month we had a seemingly healthy (as I recall 56yo) business man fail his VO2 max test rather miserably. His heart rate jumped up to 170 bpm shortly after starting the test. We stopped the test and referred him to a cardiologist. After ablation therapy he is now ready to try the test again and this time SAFELY start an exercise program. There is serious disease out there and not everyone should just start exercising without a thorough evaluation. Without this test this gentle man would probably have ended up in the ER or the morgue after he started exercising on his own.
As for the testing, there are a lot of issues to look at after starting TRT. The HCT can go up requiring phlebotomy. The Estrogen can go up requiring Anastrozole. You need to follow the free testosterone level to see that you are keeping the patient in the therapeutic range. Also we are never just treating the T. We are looking at Insulin levels, hgA1C, cortisol and Thyroid levels not to mention DHEA and Vitamin D.
As I said we take a comprehensive approach.
 
DrGolan, I'm 41 years old and considering the Cenegenics treatment, but my concern is I don't live in the US. Do you have some experience treating patients from other countries? I understand there will be the need to visit your premises, but how often?
 
Dr. Golan its nice to see someone so on fire and excited about what they do. I go in wednesday for my executive evaluation in Tulsa. I have tried to find others experiences online with Cenegenics but mostly what you find is a lot of people talking it down that have no experience with it. Im by no means rich. I make a good income but recently got a settlement for some medical screwups that got me in the shape I'm in. I decided to invest in myself. I am sure I could find a doc to give me a script for test but I want exactly what you describe. I'm 38 and feel 68. I have no energy, no motivation, and no libido. I may be putting a lot of faith in this program but Its nice to have some hope and something to believe in. I look forward to sharing my experiences on the board and learning from everyone here.
 
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