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My "Attempt at Westside" Log

Rodja, I have yet to fail on the upward motion of a bench press. It always comes on the descent. I lower it under control, then lose control about 3-4 inches from my chest. It crashes into my chest and I can't reverse the bar. I know for a fact I could hit 365 right now, but I don't yet know how to keep the higher weights from crushing me.

Ant, my shoulder is peachy. I didn't try to break the ball in half like you did, though. My knee has a scrape, that's the extent of my injuries.

Sean, my only real tips are things that Tate would say. Things I focus on during the lift are tucking my elbows, spreading the bar, and driving with my feet. As far as training, I have really strong triceps and delts. I can do 30 dips weighing 230, I've done dips with 100lbs on a belt and I've done strict overheads 205x6. I don't have to press very far because I have a big ribcage and arch.
 
Dam! Awesome bench. Looked extremely controlled up and down in the motion.

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Dam! Awesome bench. Looked extremely controlled up and down in the motion.

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Thanks, Rob! I pride myself in having perfect technique and always looking to improve it. I would never count a rep unless I nailed it and kept it under control. I don't exaggerate my abilities, I'd like to be able to back it up if called out on it.
 
Well I hope to have that good of form one day

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Starting Monday, I'm switching my conjugate from my interpretation of Westside (meaning I did what I could with what I had) to my version of The Cube by Brandon Lilly. I'm doing this because the Cube is more geared toward raw lifters than Westside and it focuses on the deadlift more than Westside does.

It was a little confusing to adapt the template, but with some help, I managed to put it together. This is the first time I've written out a program since I was a junior in high school. For the longest time I followed Joe Weider's "Instinctive Training Principle", or the seat-of-the-pants method to you fellow powerlifters.

I set up the main movements for each day of the upcoming cycle and set up priorities for my assistance movements. The reason I did this is that it's halfway between my usual instinctive assistance regimen and a fully structured setup. Usually I would have made no adjustment, but it's come to my attention that recently I've neglected a whole bunch of lower body assistance work that has been working for me since I started lifting.

Without Further Ado, My Monster Bench Meet Training Cycle:

Week 1
RE Free Squat (always free squats) 320x8x1
DE Bench (DE will always be full benches to grease the groove) 225x3x8
ME Deficit Deadlift 355x2x5

Week 2
DE Squat 275x3x8
ME Floor Press 275x2x5
RE Snatch Grip Deadlift (will use straps, unsure of weight, so I will set my 8RM)

Week 3
ME Squat 365x2x5
RE Floor Press 225x8x1
DE Deadlift (conventional from floor, again greasing the groove) 275x3x8

Week 4
RE Squat 365x6x1
DE Bench 245x2x6
ME Rack Pull (2" from floor) 375x2x3

Week 5
DE Squat 295x2x6
ME Bench 325x2x3
RE Rack Pull (4" from floor) 355x6x1

Week 6
ME Squat 390x2x3
RE 2-Board 315x6x1
DE Deadlift 295x2x6

Week 7
RE Squat 390x2x1
DE Bench 255x2x5
Rack Pull (4" up) 400x1, 410x1, 420x1

Week 8
DE Squat 320x2x5
ME 2-Board 345x1, 355x1, 365x1
RE Deficit Pull 375x2x1

Week 9
ME Squat 410x1, 425x1, 435x1
RE Bench 330x2x1
DE Deadlift 315x2x5

Week 10
Push/Pull PRs in the 14th Annual Pgh Monster Bench & Deadlift Meet
Current Conservative Goal: 800 Push/Pull, 355 Bench 445 Deadlift
Current Stretch Goal: 900 Push/Pull, 405 Bench 495 Deadlift

Squat Assistance Must Haves
GHR, LUNGES, Hip Thrust

To be included
Oly Squats, Front Squats, Leg Press, Split Squat, Good Mornings (squatting and strict)

Bench Assist Must Haves
Tate Press, JM Press, OHP, DB Rows, Band Pullaparts

To be included
DB Bench, CG Incline (possible main movement, I lack experience with these)

Deadlift Assist Must Haves
RDL, Barbell Rows (many grips and body positionings, most of them heavy), Back Extensions (Heavy as possible for sets of 20)

Include
Kroc Row, Pullup, Good Mornings (rounded back and seated), Sumo Pull, Snatch Grip Pull

The weights are subject to change based on how I feel, but I do like the template.

As usual, I am open to any observations, questions, comments, concerns, complaints, gripes, or downright objections. Anything at all that you'd like to discuss.
 
I'll tell you right now that you should scrap the numbers you have written out as nothing ever goes that smoothly. Instead of having a certain weight written out for ME and RE, use RPE as your determinant of how much weight to actually use. One of the main things I've taken away from my time using block training was how to really implement this during the transmutation phase where you're, more or less, lifting at ~90% 4x/week for 2 weeks. The first week, everything goes according to plan, but, as you overreach, what used to feel like 80% feels closer to 95% and you have to start using RPE instead as you're not going to be able to hit the specific numbers.

Another way to do it is to keep the numbers, but have them as goals instead of written in stone. There'll be days you reach them, surpass them, and don't reach them. You can gauge progress and recovery this way.
 
I will say this cube method looks like it will keep things very fresh week by week.

Interested in seeing yours and seans results and maybe some talk of efficiency over/under programs used prior.

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I'll tell you right now that you should scrap the numbers you have written out as nothing ever goes that smoothly. Instead of having a certain weight written out for ME and RE, use RPE as your determinant of how much weight to actually use. One of the main things I've taken away from my time using block training was how to really implement this during the transmutation phase where you're, more or less, lifting at ~90% 4x/week for 2 weeks. The first week, everything goes according to plan, but, as you overreach, what used to feel like 80% feels closer to 95% and you have to start using RPE instead as you're not going to be able to hit the specific numbers.

Another way to do it is to keep the numbers, but have them as goals instead of written in stone. There'll be days you reach them, surpass them, and don't reach them. You can gauge progress and recovery this way.

Thanks. The numbers are definitely fluid. I know exactly what you mean, I have big fluctuations day-to-day on my lift performances, and I don't line up with the standard "you can perform X reps at Y% of 1RM", as I'm sure no one does. I like the term you use, to have them as goals. They're there to give me an idea of what I'm shooting for, but they're not do-or-die.

What do you think of the main movement programming? The cliffs notes of it are that I went with deficit pulls at lower intensities to keep the difficulty high, rack pulls at higher intensities so that I don't miss reps, and I built up the weight used on bench main movements to prepare for moving bigger weights on meet day.
 
I will say this cube method looks like it will keep things very fresh week by week.

Interested in seeing yours and seans results and maybe some talk of efficiency over/under programs used prior.

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One big thing about any conjugate program is the principle that you cannot progress training only the Big Three. Training those movements will not make you stronger in them. Your weak points will remain weak. Also, you will experience a detraining effect if you use weights above 85% of max in the same exercise for more than three weeks.

Because of those two facts, lifters utilizing the conjugate method use slight variations (rack pulls, squats with different bars, good mornings, board presses, etc.) to build the Big Three. That's one thing that is good about conjugate training, it is definitely always fresh.
 
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One big thing about any conjugate program is the principle that you cannot progress training only the Big Three. Training those movements will not make you stronger in them. Your weak points will remain weak. Also, you will experience a detraining effect if you use weights above 85% of max in the same exercise for more than three weeks.

Because of those two facts, lifters utilizing the conjugate method use slight variations (rack pulls, squats with different bars, good mornings, board presses, etc.) to build the Big Three. That's one thing that is good about conjugate training, it is definitely always fresh.

I have actually been doing it(to the best of my ability) minus the transmutation, reaching, realization, etc bc they really seem geared more to geared lifters over just using the "template." I do wave my DE with no bands, red bands, then black bands. Also been doing some 5 and 3 rep work too. I also wonder about it for the lone lifter(no board presses and things like that).

I have been reading so much lately I feel like my head is going to explode; hence a serious contemplation in something simpler like 5/3/1 to not overcomplicate things. Now cube comes along...and looks very interesting. Excited to see some logs start here.

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I have actually been doing it(to the best of my ability) minus the transmutation, reaching, realization, etc bc they really seem geared more to geared lifters over just using the "template." I do wave my DE with no bands, red bands, then black bands. Also been doing some 5 and 3 rep work too.

I have been reading so much lately I feel like my head is going to explode; hence a serious contemplation in something simpler like 5/3/1 to not overcomplicate things. Now cube comes along...and looks very interesting. Excited to see some logs start here.

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You're telling me. I work construction, so obviously I haven't been all that busy since Christmas out here in the Alleghenies, and I've been reading and youtubing two to four hours every day. I'm eating it up.

No matter what program you end up using, keep it simple. We're all out there picking **** up and putting it down, trying to get stronger. Let your brain facilitate you getting stronger, rather than it getting in the way of getting you stronger. Lamonster made great strides doing a cycle of 5/3/1 Triumvirate. That's three exercises, four times a week. Doesn't get much simpler than that.
 
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You're telling me. I work construction, so obviously I haven't been all that busy since Christmas out here in the Alleghenies, and I've been reading and youtubing two to four hours every day. I'm eating it up.

No matter what program you end up using, keep it simple. We're all out there picking **** up and putting it down, trying to get stronger. Let your brain facilitate you getting stronger, rather than it getting in the way of getting you stronger. Lamonster made great strides doing a cycle of 5/3/1 Triumvirate. That's three exercises, four times a week. Doesn't get much simpler than that.

Well put. Thanks brotha! And whatever I decide to stick with im going to keep it simple

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Thanks. The numbers are definitely fluid. I know exactly what you mean, I have big fluctuations day-to-day on my lift performances, and I don't line up with the standard "you can perform X reps at Y% of 1RM", as I'm sure no one does. I like the term you use, to have them as goals. They're there to give me an idea of what I'm shooting for, but they're not do-or-die.

What do you think of the main movement programming? The cliffs notes of it are that I went with deficit pulls at lower intensities to keep the difficulty high, rack pulls at higher intensities so that I don't miss reps, and I built up the weight used on bench main movements to prepare for moving bigger weights on meet day.

There's a lot of variety, which can be good or bad. I'm not sure where your weakness is on each lift and which has the best carryover for you, so I can't really comment on the selection.

For myself, when I tried to program in a lot of different movements and started to shy away from the main movements, my progress stalled. That and doing too much in just the single or double range and testing my strength instead of building it. I've noticed my best carryover when I focus more on rep PRs and more volume on the main movement.
 
1/27 RE Squat (video is up!)

Squat
Worked up to 365x9 PR

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After seeing the video, my shin angle wasn't nearly what I thought it was, and I think I terminated most of my reps an inch or so high. The later reps, even higher. I'm interested to hear from others on what they think of my depth.

Oly Squat (ATG, one second pause)
135x25x2

DB Split Squat
80x8x2
Tweaked calf, workout over.

Had an awesome squat rep PR. Great start to the new cycle. As usual, any comments are welcome. The rack is kind of really in the way of seeing my torso, but we did what we could with what we had.

The high rep Oly squats killed me. I still have no rep tolerance. There were many pauses to breathe mid-set.

DB split squats were brand new to me, and it showed. They sucked. That being the case, I'd assume they'll help. We'll find out. I did them instead of lunges because the gym was packed.
 
Looks solid.

Thanks, man. I was gasping for air for a couple minutes after that set. I used to think my squats were textbook squats of a god. Now I can see that there's work to be done.
 
Yeah I had to watch it a few times. Take a look at your butt. It looks like you lose that arch when you're at the bottom.

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The timing of these articles...it's like they're watching me lift.

I'm definitely getting the dreaded butt-tuck. My hip mobility is not good enough at the moment. I need to get my own PVC pipe for home use.

And also, after reading the article and watching his little demonstration video, it seems that all I need to do first is to cue myself to arch hard the whole way through.
 
Exactly. I lifted with a guy who is crazy strong for his size (<198bw w 610 raw squat). He has me say stuff to him at certain parts of his lift to cue him. I've started doing it to myself as well and it helps me make a conscious effort to fix something.
 
Note: DOMS is really high today. That's what I get for getting away from rep work.
 
1/30 ME Deadlift

Deadlift from floor
365x2
355x2x3
355x1

Missing reps already.

Meadows Rows
50x12
75x10x2
100x8

Back Extension (45 degree)
BW+100x12x3

Standing Cable Crunch
100x12x3

Lower back is ruined. I'm nearly immobile ATM. My usual deadlift is really good off of the floor and my sticking point is above the knees. This was the total opposite. Every rep was a huge grind until I got to my knees and then they flew.

I was going to just ignore it, train through it, get more mobile, things like that. But yesterday a good buddy of mine just went through a physical for his hockey team. The team doctor told him he completely tore his rotator cuff 6 months ago and he has a ton of tissue damage now. I know exactly when it was, because he took three weeks off of pressing and came back. That news made me a little more aware of my mortality, so to speak, and as a result, I'm going to get this fixed correctly and come back stronger. There's no reason I should be struggling to pull a weight I've been able to pull COLD since I was 17.
 
For a few weeks in December I toyed with sumo stance, but I can't really set up or pull well in it, so I scrapped it and went back to conventional. At this point, I hardly have the mobility to get a good conventional setup. That's very unusual for me. Wrestling set me up with excellent hip and back mobility, but these days I can hardly put on socks/shoes/pants without pain and strain. In hindsight, the squat video is a pretty alarming example of how bad things really are. I've taken great pride in squatting deeper than deep my entire life and now I lose my arch well above parallel.

Hopefully it's nothing, but I'm pretty worried about it.
 
Maybe add in some more mobility work. Also, I know you foam roll which is great but I found I can really get some great relief with using a tennis ball on the floor on my lower back/hip/glute area. Aside from rolling out and all I found hyper extensions really help get me stretched. Finally, doing traveling lunges bi-weekly with a long stride has helped my mobility issues greatly.

Aside from all that check out Jason's log called "it's about dominance" for ways to stretch and activate muscle groups.

Hope this all helps some. I'm sure you got some tricks up your sleeve as well. Get that back better broski.

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Thanks, Rob. I definitely need more mobility work. I think I found a weak link in my hamstrings today. They're pretty sad. I have some knots in my glute/ham tie in on both sides. I've noticed that doing the hurdler's stretch when my back locks up at work has helped. I think that improving mobility a great deal could alleviate the pain. I'm just worried about it healing. I'm thinking I might bench only at the meet, if I do anything. What are you guys' thoughts on possibly doing a Starting Strength (or whatever the proper term is) type thing? Maybe start from zero in squats and deadlifts and go up slowly. Address mobility and technique in moves that affect my back and it might heal. I'm just spitballing at this point. I dunno.
 
Man, it's a tough situation. Maybe see how ya feel over the next couple days, get a professional opinion if need be and take it from there.

If you do end up being good to get to the gym that's not a bad idea to kinda take a step back and then two forward type of thing. I'd do box squats over regular though.

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Saw the doctor yesterday. He poked and prodded and told me he's prejudiced against heavy weight training, so there's that. His immediate advice was to take as many anti inflammatories as my stomach can stand for about a month. But he tested a lot of ranges of motion and the ONLY one that gave me problems was the hip hinge, whether I kept my back arched or not. Sitting bothers it, too. He sent me for X-rays, those came back normal. I have to call to set up some physical therapy, which I'm looking forward to. I'm going to pick their brains so hard, they're going to either throw me out or hire me on. Either way, I'm going to get my corrective exercises and give them all the effort and focus of a squat day. Weight is at 213, which is surprising considering my utter lack of physical activity. I'm not the kind of guy who loses weight without working his balls off. Perhaps it's lack of hunger, since I did just come off of Anabeta. I sat in a massage chair for 20 minutes yesterday and my back feels much better. Looks like this thing is finally starting to turn around. I'm not sure how much more time I'm going to take off, but so far, it's working well. Hopefully my form won't **** the bed in a matter of 3-4 weeks.

Edit: Ramble ramble ramble
 
I went with Bayuk, and yes, I was allowed to see the doctor this time. I like Bayuk, he's always been good to me, and he's old enough that he was taught to be a healer, not a drug dealer. I'm okay with him being against weight training, he probably has to treat a lot of bozos who use bad form. He also mentioned being against football for the knee injuries, baseball for the shoulder problems, etc. I can respect that, but if we each had avoided all of those things, he would have had to treat the residual effects of boredom-related suicide attempts.
 
Oh, for sure. That's what I like about him. And if I ever get poison ivy, I just walk in, tell him I have it bad, and he gives me my prednisone. He's seen me with it often enough to know that I know when I need it.
 
I'm gonna be Cubing so hard, man. It's gonna be ridiculous.
 
Just got done with physical therapy. Got evaluated, need to stretch hams and hip flexors (which everyone who saw my squat video knew already).

The important thing is that she cleared me to lift!

(Brb benching real quick)
 
2/7 DE Bench

Bench
225x3x8

JM Press
135x15x3

Chest Supported BB Row
135x12x3

Side/Rear/Front DB Raise SS Standing High Pulley Row
25x12/90x20
25x12/130x20
25x12/130x20

Standing Cable Crunch
90x12x3

Today was solo in my shed. Benches were slow due to poor warmup and a ****ty bench (high, wobbly, narrow, and the built-in arch messes with MY arch). I expected to get more reps with the JMs, but lactic acid got the better of me. The rest of the session was designed to protect my back. The high pulley rows (Vogelphol Rows?) were new. They felt good. Glad to be back. Squat and deadlift days this upcoming week will be with an empty bar. 5 gallon bucket squats and light duty rack pulls.
 
2/9 Body Day

Press (heels together, locked knees, no layback)
135x12,10,8

RFE BB Split Squat
135x8x3 each leg

DB SLDL (knees locked again, knuckles to shoelaces)
45(each hand)x8x3

Furniture Slider Bodysaw
BWx12,8,8

Hard to believe I've lost this much pressing strength and general endurance after one week off.

Did this workout immediately after my corrective exercises to be loose. This simple light workout really kicked my ass. Hard to keep up cardio-wise. I'll probably lose some weight just from training at a better pace on my own.

The only things I went balls out on were presses and split squats. 135lb split squats would probably be what I'd do healthy. I used to lay it back at the sticking point in my press, but I'm working hard to protect my back. Should benefit my shoulders. All of the other exercises from today are things I rarely do, but I included to stretch the hip flexors and hamstrings. Won't hurt my posterior chain either.

Next up: Baby Rack Pulls
 
One corrective exercise is isometric glute contractions, and another is high rep single leg glute bridge holds. Add split squats and my glutes are downright trembling.
 
My shoulders are feeling weak as well but that's just became they're weak. You'll get your strength back in no time. DB SLDLs aren't a bad exercise.
 
You know, when I was in high school, I did them a lot. I switched them out for RDLs. The PT said my back flexibility is a lot more oriented toward extension (my bench arch) and is pretty sucky in flexion (my loss of arch squatting). So I figured I'd do SLDLs again.
 
2/11 Deadlifts (with video)

4" Rack Pull
Barx50
135x3x3
225x3x2
275x3x2
315x3

Deadlift
315x1x5

1" Deficit Pull
315x1

Deadlift
365x2x3
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How did I do?

Front Squats (1sec pause)
135x20
225x6
275x1
315x1 PR (testing strength, yes. Today was a testing day)
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Reverse Hyper/Back Extension
BWx10x3/BWx10x3

Cable Crunch/Body Saw (pushup position)
50x15x3/8x3

Furniture Slider Bridge (Laying flat to a bridge. Leg curl + hip extension, felt like a tough GHR)
BWx6x3

Great workout. It was AMAZING to pull pain-free. I didn't push my limit, but just two weeks ago I couldn't do what I did today. I was painfully meticulous on the setup. Seriously, my body was in pain from how long I spent setting up. I noticed that conventional deficit pulls are easier for me than from the floor at 70% 1RM. It's because I can build a good start with a more vertical torso and strong, fast leg extension. I'm going to start putting the bar over my toes and set up about 1-3" above parallel. Should work well.

I'm way ahead of where I thought I'd be, which makes me ecstatic. Time to double down on corrective exercises. I want good hip mobility on squat day. Bench next time.
 
Good session. That's a serious front squat, man. Your pulls looked good to me. I don't know sumo though but it looked strong. I think your butt shot up a little fast on the conventional. Mine did today pulling from the deficit. ME Bench tomorrow for you? I lost track if your rotation.
 
Lol. That's because my rotation kinda **** the bed a little. Today wasn't really much of anything as far as ME, RE, or DE. I'm basically on week 2, which would be ME Bench stuff. That should be good. I'd like to hook up with someone and get some shirted benching in tomorrow. I have yet to use my shirt since I went all Ginsu on the back. I think I could get 315x2x5 with it, if not more.
 
It's hard to say too much on the sumo since the plate hides much of your lower body. You get into position properly and your shoulders are aligned with the bar. It might be the mental approach to it, but your initial movement isn't thigh driven; it's lumbar driven as your hips shoot up rather quickly. Instead of visioning a conventional deadlift, imagine either a plie squat or a leg press and push out on the side of your feet to stand up. The movement should all come from your thighs and glutes and anything above that should more or less stay in the exact position as when you setup. Keep them tight, but don't use them to move the weight.
 
2/12 Kill Yourself Day

Today at work was split, haul, and pile several tons of wood. That was six hours of metabolic work. Then, since it's as nice as it's been in a long-ass time, I Prowled.

Prowler Push
90#x40yds pushing posts
180x40 posts

Dug in like a mother****er, the downfall of my plan.

90x40x5 alternating posts and high handles. 60s rest.

Now I know what Wendler meant by "Prowler flu". The mud was terrible, I should have just went on the street. Weather permitting, I'll be Prowling as often as possible.
 
Truck pulls? You bad sonofabitch! I'm thinking I can get really fun for my GPP this summer. My shed is well stocked. I can prowl, farmer's walk with 130# DBs, and use 100# plates for Husefell carries. I'll find more stuff, too.
 
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