Must haves for first cycle?

gaijininjapan

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I'm preparing for a *possible* first cycle... most likely going to start in Jan if possible.

Either going to run Sustanon at 500/wk or Test-E at 500/wk.

I have plenty of MDrol and nolva on hand right now. Can I use MDrol as the kicker instead of the usual tbol etc.?

Still need to get:
Test-E or Sus enough for 12wk cycle + extra just in case.
pins w 22ga 1.5"?
arimidex (run on cycle or just for PCT?)

One concerns is that I don't want to blow up excessively fast, else everyone will notice, I want to keep this as low key as possible and am willing to sacrifice some possible gains for discreteness. a solid 15lbs lbm gain and drop in 5lbs of fat would be perfect for a 3month cycle i think. Is this realistic? hell if I know... I'm a noob at this. Just seems that real gear is safer and way less troublesome than PH/DS's... BTW, I had nearly no sides whatsoever on a 4wk ED cycle of MDrol at 10/20/20/20 earlier this year.

Any suggestions? Thanks.
 
Glad to see your keeping it simple for your first run. Needle gauge is a little big, probably go 23 to 25 gauge but it is personal preference, definitely go with 1 inch needle tho. Keep the ai on hand if sides start showing up. What about pct? Make sure you have your pct before you start running gear. As for sides on PH, that means nothing when running real gear and the mdrol was dosed pretty low so I wouldn't have expected much for sides, but the last thing you want is to start getting touchy nips and have no AI on hand. 15 lbs is realistic, it all comes down to diet and training. Good luck and happy to answer any questions.
 
Yeah, PCT I have nolva, and was thinking of trying to get some torem or clomid. I want to keep that as simple as possible as well.

Would PCT be similar to PH PCT? for my PH PCT, I used PP's TRS, nolva, and some natty t-boosters like TCF-1 and Tribulus. Would just adding an AI into the mix since I'll be using test be sufficient? I'm still researching a PCT routine, but so far it seems like a similar regime of 4wks or so on the SERM would be okay.

I don't really want to deal with additional HGC and whatnot.
 
pct will be pretty similar to a PH pct. but you will want it a little stronger since you will be on cycle for 12wks compared to 6.
 
Pick up the clomid as well and a test booster is always a plus but wouldn't run the AI in PCT. As for the HCG it's not a must but is a great way to get your natural test flowing. More and more guys run the HCG for the obvious benefits, but as long as you have the nolva,clomid, and the test booster you'll be in good shape.
 
gymrat827 said:
why wouldnt you run a AI in pct?? you need to bring down serum estrogen levels...
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Much respect for you Gymrat, but since he already has the nolva wouldn't it be a complete overkill of estrogen? I'm not against an AI in pct as I ran one in my previous pct. You are far more experienced than I, so what are your thoughts?
 
First you need no more than 250 of sust every 5 or so days. Your body produces the equivalent of taking 30-80 mgs of test as a depot a week SOOO even at 250 a week you are at 3 to 8+Xs natty levels.

DON'T USE UG TEST E! Just don't do it bro, you MAY get lucky and have no problems BUT there is still a ton of BAD test e out there. Do a search on "carbolic acid and test e" in Google if you want. Don't risk it when you have plenty of other options.

Peace
 
The more I read, the more I like sus... and will probably look to getting that if I can. As for test E... I'm still looking and researching brands. I don't even have a source yet, so I guess I'll have to take what I can get from whatever my source ends up having. I read a lot of good reviews about GCA, but can't seem to find any info on where to get it. As for the sus, if 250/5days is really enough for a first cycle, (even though test is 500/wk?), then I think I can even afford rediject versions! 12wks = 84days = 17 pinnings of sus250... quite cost effective IMO.

Also, SERM doesn't lower est, it just binds receptors, so why not take a low dose of AI along w/ a SERM in the beginning to jumpstart the lowering of est? or is the high level of est needed to kick the body's natural self-regulation mechanism into high gear to normalize faster?
 
As far as using an AI... I believe in having it on hand but I don't believe in taking any substance that is not needed to obtain the desired results. You DON'T want zero estrogen while on cycle.... It will hurt your gains, you need estrogen to maximize gains.
Now as far as pct goes. I will never give any advice on anything or any substance I have never done. Example: I will talk about almost any aas cause I have tried almost all at one time or another but will not talk about HGH or peps cause I have never used them. I have never done any pct so I won't give advice on it. I am not telling anyone NOT to but as I've said, I don't believe in using anything not needed.... I have always been able to maintain gains with no pct so I have never done any.

PLEASE listen to me about test e. Don't just "use what you can get". If your source can only get e or sells his e a lot cheaper than his sust or cyp.... Ask yourself WHY? I didn't listen to the warnings about UG test e cpl years ago and wound up pulling pin after pin of puss out of my delt. I posted the pics of pins filled with puss on another site.... In one nt I think it was 7-8 pins full of puss (that's 21-24 ccs of puss!!!!) Then several more over the next several days. Do what you want. I can only warn you. Just take a com mins and Google 'catholic acid in test e'... It will just take you a cpl mins bro and is worth it.
BTW, if you get real hg test e there is no problem but if you get any UG test e.... Don't touch it. Just trying to help bro.
 
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