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an On cycle support that contains celery extract for blood pressure and Tudca for liver support
 
As stated, if you're cycling toxic orals, nothing is absolutely necessary if you're running it under 6 weeks at reasonable doses.

However,

High bp is not good. If you already have prehypertension, you can either: A. Not cycle hormones. Or B. Use supplements and/or medications to control it. (I like B)

The liver will almost certainly heal itself in a very short time since that's what it does so long as you're not running absurd doses or cycling orals too long. BUT, if you're like me and don't like feeling like garbage and losing your appetite, you can run something like tudca or an all-in-one like LGI's Damage Control.

Lipid profile, I just eat a lot of Omega 3s and call it a day.

But really you could do none of this and will most likely survive and recover quite well. None of us want to give anymore ammunition to all those that say steroids are going to kill us though. We have to be responsible, ugh.
 
Matthersby said:
As stated, if you're cycling toxic orals, nothing is absolutely necessary if you're running it under 6 weeks at reasonable doses. However, High bp is not good. If you already have prehypertension, you can either: A. Not cycle hormones. Or B. Use supplements and/or medications to control it. (I like B) The liver will almost certainly heal itself in a very short time since that's what it does so long as you're not running absurd doses or cycling orals too long. BUT, if you're like me and don't like feeling like garbage and losing your appetite, you can run something like tudca or an all-in-one like LGI's Damage Control. Lipid profile, I just eat a lot of Omega 3s and call it a day. But really you could do none of this and will most likely survive and recover quite well. None of us want to give anymore ammunition to all those that say steroids are going to kill us though. We have to be responsible, ugh.
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extra TUDCA + LGI Damage control FTW
 
frodriguez said:
What are must have on cycle Supps for running a Methylated compound... and is preloading really necessary ?
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I'd say a lot of these on our top 5 on cycle support products page are gtg. Check it out here at Strong Supplement Shop. Invalid Link Removed. As far as preloading some ppl do and some people dont, its just kind of a personally preference.
 
LeanEngineer said:
I'd say a lot of these on our top 5 on cycle support products page are gtg. Check it out here at Strong Supplement Shop. Invalid Link Removed. As far as preloading some ppl do and some people dont, its just kind of a personally preference.
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Heard preloading is important because hawthorn can actually spike bp when first starting it. Could be bs but I run a cycle assist on and off cycle
 
yates84 said:
Heard preloading is important because hawthorn can actually spike bp when first starting it. Could be bs but I run a cycle assist on and off cycle
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Dang didnt know that. I might just start doing it to be safe. ha
 
I plan on taking some DMZ 30/30/30/30/40/40 alongside with some MSten 20/20/20/20

On cycle *LGI damage control
*Olympus Labs Ar1micarePro


PCT. *LGI Rehab
*Nolvadex



Any other advice on dosage for optimal results are appreciated and welcomed guys
 
frodriguez said:
I plan on taking some DMZ 30/30/30/30/40/40 alongside with some MSten 20/20/20/20

On cycle *LGI damage control
*Olympus Labs Ar1micarePro

PCT. *LGI Rehab
*Nolvadex

Any other advice on dosage for optimal results are appreciated and welcomed guys
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I would just run them solo:

Sten: 10/10/20/20/20

DMZ: 30/30/45/45/45

I've been sitting on a bottle of superdmz 2.0 that I'm really not looking forward to running. Too toxic.
 
I ran Dmz 2.0 it worked very good it kiked in the first week ,took it for 4 weeks only and got better results than running dmz solo for 4 weeks no side effects at all other than some libido issues toward the last week and back pumps nothing too crazy tho
 
If it's bearable and you got good results from 2.0, then adding a bit more DMZ is actually logical, since the sweet spot is closer to 40mg and not 20. I just can't stand toxicity these days. Probably something to do with getting soft in my old age. I'm running the last of my SD at 10mg for 5 weeks. Maybe, if I can keep my appetite, I'll just get crazy and bump it to 20 for the last two weeks.
 
frodriguez said:
SD as in superdrol ?? And I'm only 27 so I'm still able to heal a lil after maybe lol
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I ran Superdrol 10 years ago when I was 26 with no cycle support besides a little milk thistle @30mg with no side effects whatsoever. When I ran it at the end of 2013, with LGI damage control + a slew of other additional ancillaries, I got every single side from it. Crippling back pumps, horrendous anxiety, complete loss of appetite, persistent drug-resistant gyno, everything. I would have just discontinued the cycle if I didn't respond so well to it. Instead, I kept dropping dosage and finished at 10mg and continued to see staggering gains.
 
Matthersby said:
I ran Superdrol 10 years ago when I was 26 with no cycle support besides a little milk thistle @30mg with no side effects whatsoever. When I ran it at the end of 2013, with LGI damage control + a slew of other additional ancillaries, I got every single side from it. Crippling back pumps, horrendous anxiety, complete loss of appetite, persistent drug-resistant gyno, everything. I would have just discontinued the cycle if I didn't respond so well to it. Instead, I kept dropping dosage and finished at 10mg and continued to see staggering gains.
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So you've concluded that for you at least, theres a pretty big difference between late 20's and mid 30's. Were there other factors?
 
Matthersby said:
I ran Superdrol 10 years ago when I was 26 with no cycle support besides a little milk thistle @30mg with no side effects whatsoever. When I ran it at the end of 2013, with LGI damage control + a slew of other additional ancillaries, I got every single side from it. Crippling back pumps, horrendous anxiety, complete loss of appetite, persistent drug-resistant gyno, everything. I would have just discontinued the cycle if I didn't respond so well to it. Instead, I kept dropping dosage and finished at 10mg and continued to see staggering gains.
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yup that's is what happens when you get old. Lol. I used to run with no support no pct and still drink back I'm college with no problems. Now I'm 39 and it's like a whole differance ball game. Got to have tudca, got to have bp support, got to have cialis got to have clomid.
 
That's crazy but I hear running DmZ at high dosage gives similar gains as SD without all them nasty sides u just mentioned
 
Styles C said:
So you've concluded that for you at least, theres a pretty big difference between late 20's and mid 30's. Were there other factors?
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For me, yes. None of the other factors make any sense. I used 10 times the precautions but had 10 times the sides.
 
thehogsters said:
yup that's is what happens when you get old. Lol. I used to run with no support no pct and still drink back I'm college with no problems. Now I'm 39 and it's like a whole differance ball game. Got to have tudca, got to have bp support, got to have cialis got to have clomid.
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Gotta have all that too.
I wondered if I was the only one.
 
thehogsters said:
yup that's is what happens when you get old. Lol. I used to run with no support no pct and still drink back I'm college with no problems. Now I'm 39 and it's like a whole differance ball game. Got to have tudca, got to have bp support, got to have cialis got to have clomid.
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what sorts of BP support do you use?
 
^^carditone and celery seed added seems to help a little. I'm with all the old folks here. DMZ and Msten together would cripple me.
 
Just use an all-in-one plus a grip of fish oil. If you're like me and really struggle with bp, I like arginine AKG, potassium nitrate, extra coq10, and some aspirin. Dirty orals' throw your body off, but after a few weeks off of them, labs return to baseline. You could run nothing with no preexisting conditions, and be fine in a short period of time.
 
Volvo140G said:
Same. I'll add coq10 as well.
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have you tried antaeus ultra coq10? Absorption is supposed To be much greater than standard coq10. I'll probably pick up a couple bottles. coq10 is one of the best health related Supps on the market imo.

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Afi140 said:
have you tried antaeus ultra coq10? Absorption is supposed
To be much greater but I haven't done a lot of research on it yet. I'll probably pick up a couple bottles. coq10 is one of the best health related Supps on the market imo.

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Haven't, in fact I've only recently started taking it, but have read up on it a fair bit.
 
thehogsters said:
yup that's is what happens when you get old. Lol. I used to run with no support no pct and still drink back I'm college with no problems. Now I'm 39 and it's like a whole differance ball game. Got to have tudca, got to have bp support, got to have cialis got to have clomid.
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Ditto- used to run 100mg Halo, drank my balls off- just took milk thistle and that was it. Never took PCT, always kept gains. Sucks getting old and decrepit.
 
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