Muscle Gelz Andro Hard with Dermacrine Cycle / Blood Work Questions

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Hey guys,

This is going to be a long post so I will try and lay it out the best that I can. I have been reading up on AndroHard and Dermacrine for a while now and was thinking about running them in the spring towards the end of my cut. I am 31 years old, started lifting in middle school, and have only used natural supplements so this would be my first run with PH's. Still going back and forth if I want to cross that line or not but in the mean time have been doing a lot of research and reading up on different things.

My first question is, generally how effective are DHEA based supplements/PH's for someone my age assuming my levels are already normal/where they should be? I heard they work well for people over 40 but not so much for the young guys and I kinda fall in between. This leads me to the blood work part of my post. Recently, I just went to a doctor as a new patient because I needed routine blood work because I haven't been to the doctor since high school. So when I am there I ask him if a blood test shows testosterone levels and such (fully knowing it doesn't unless he puts an order in for it) and he immediately got a bit stand offish and agitated and says, "I am not checking your testosterone....especially at your age." So I calmly say oh ok, but when is a good age to get it checked out....around 40 or so? Again he says, "I don't do it then, I don't do it ever, I think it's dangerous and I will just leave it at that." I say oh I am not looking to get TRT but ok. Anyway, I think I may need to find a better doc because at the very least he should have asked me if I was having any type of symptoms or inquired why I was asking. For all he knows I could be impotent, I could have used something in the past that messed me up, etc, but he didn't even ask.

So, as a result of that I started looking into getting private blood work done to settle my curiosity and to also see if I am a good candidate for these products. A popular lab was recommended to me on the forums but unfortunately they do not work with NJ due to some state laws. A couple others I found are the same way. Wondering what labs you guys recommend (not sure if you can post names). I did find one place that I think would work in NJ although I read one thing that said they don't so not entirely sure. Their one test is really complete and checks for a lot of the stuff I am interested in but its $575 so I was wondering if I could cut it down a bit and wanted to know what you guys thought were the most important to get checked.



  • Testosterone, Free with Total
  • Estrogens, Total
  • Estradiol
  • DHEA-S
  • Progesterone
  • Pregnenolone
  • Dihydrotestosterone (DHT)
  • FSH/LH
  • Cortisol
  • PSA
  • Free PSA
  • % Free PSA
  • Insulin-like Growth Factor 1 (IGF-1)
  • Insulin
    Sex Hormone Binding Globulin (SHBG)


    and then all the other stuff is the basic stuff I had checked already, so ideally I would make a custom test and just take what I want out of what is above.

    Alright, now back to the products. I like them because they seem mild enough with very limited sides, yet they might give me that extra edge I haven't experienced yet. After reading logs on these products, I would be thrilled to be able to cut down BF and add a couple pounds in the process. The main goal is to get super cut again and If I do decide to use these products it will only be towards the end of my cut when I am nearly where I want to be. I know these will cause suppression so I have been putting together a proper PCT which I will ask you guys what you think but I was wondering how suppressed are we talking? I know it varies, but are we talking testicle shrinkage type of suppression? As for my cycle/PCT I was thinking:

    Dermacrine + AndroHard for 8 weeks (Dermarcrine as my test base)

    On Cycle Support - KingsGuard but open to other suggestions if you guys think something may be better. Biggest concern is keeping BP in check and avoiding any cycle supports with Saw Palmetto.

    PCT: Torem at 120/100/60/30 (Torem seems to be the safest in terms of side and apparently works really well? I am not entirely set on the dosing though, hoping you all could give some input. But if you guys definitely think Clomid or Nova will be better let me know. So anyway, Torem, Sustain Alpha, Muscle Gelz AndroShred, BLR Rebirth, Mtest, and TrueShred (although TrueShred also includes 7 Keto as does Androshred so not sure). Might be a bit overkill but money won't be an issue for this run. Also, I am not sure if I will have to up calories to keep any gains I make or if I will be fine continuing to cut, hence the TrueShred. I was eyeing up TrueShred for a while before stumbling across Dermacrine and AndroHard....but maybe after the cycle I won't need to cut down any further...guess it will depend on where I am at. I was also looking at a stim fat burner Alpha Lean 7 but not sure if you would run stims during a PCT due to possible cortisol increases?

    Ok, so I think I covered it all. Like I said, I am not entirely positive I am ready to turn in my Natty card; however, if I do these seem like a good and fairly safe way to start off. I figured I would post now seeing as I want to jump on any potential Black Friday Sales and would love to have everything lined up in advance. My basic blood work came back perfect except for creatinine levels which were a little high but after some research it seems that is normal if you are supplementing with creatine and doesn't actually mean your kidneys are in trouble so I was pretty happy with it. So, with my numbers being great I would be in good shape to start a cycle (although, at the same time I would hate to throw a perfectly good bill of health out of whack lol....another personal decision I need to make). Only thing I really need to watch is my BP as it can tend to get a little high once and a while. I was 120/82 at the docs....my bottom number likes to creep up a bit and I would definitely like to get it down under 80. So, I will leave a couple CLIFFS at the bottom because this was a long A$$ post. I appreciate anyone who decided to read the whole thing and anyone who gives me some insight, thanks!

    CLIFFS:

    Is 31 a decent age to see anything good out of AndroHard and Dermacrine?

    What kind of suppression are we talking about?

    What is a good place to get a private lab blood test in NJ?

    What are the optimal things I should order on my blood test in regards to Test and a potential cycle?

    Does my cycle, on cycle support, and PCT look decent?
 

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First off, lose that doctor yesterday. Any doctor that has guards up like that are not keeping up on current ways to help his patients and quite frankly, are not trustworthy. You want a doctor that you can be with for a long time and you are at the age where this should be established.

That aside, I've run both multiple times, though not together. I will say that I did not see much benefit from Dermacrine when I was not on TRT. However, when I was on, your DHEA, pregnenolone, and progesterone levels decline and do so even if not on TRT, but as you age. You are still young and may not experience much, but won't hurt to try. You will mainly see benefit in energy and mood- if DHEA and/or preg is low. Improved memory is also a benefit of pregnenolone.

Androhard is a beast. I've only used it on TRT, but have run it 6-7 times at 5pumps 2x daily. I've gone up from that, but saw sides and little further benefit. Sides were mainly oily skin and slight acne with some increased BP, but nothing crazy. For me, it is one of the best supplements I ever added in. Increased aggression and confidence, essentially felt like I owned anywhere I went. But very manageable. No strength increases I can attribute to it, but no loss either when I was eating at slightly below maintenance but working to drop a little BP. That is an area it shines. I leaned out FAST with the maintenance calories/macros and existing programming.

Anecdotally, and I swear there is something to this- there is a pheromone aspect to the increased DHT. On each run, in about 3-4 days, there is unsolicited attention and my wife gets more frisky. I thought I was crazy at first, but it happens each time. Needless to say, this is a huge confidence boost and for a guy that doesn't need that (LOL), I feel like a king on it.

So there you go, that is my take on them. I think you'll enjoy.
 
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First off, lose that doctor yesterday. Any doctor that has guards up like that are not keeping up on current ways to help his patients and quite frankly, are not trustworthy. You want a doctor that you can be with for a long time and you are at the age where this should be established.

That aside, I've run both multiple times, though not together. I will say that I did not see much benefit from Dermacrine when I was not on TRT. However, when I was on, your DHEA, pregnenolone, and progesterone levels decline and do so even if not on TRT, but as you age. You are still young and may not experience much, but won't hurt to try. You will mainly see benefit in energy and mood- if DHEA and/or preg is low. Improved memory is also a benefit of pregnenolone.

Androhard is a beast. I've only used it on TRT, but have run it 6-7 times at 5pumps 2x daily. I've gone up from that, but saw sides and little further benefit. Sides were mainly oily skin and slight acne with some increased BP, but nothing crazy. For me, it is one of the best supplements I ever added in. Increased aggression and confidence, essentially felt like I owned anywhere I went. But very manageable. No strength increases I can attribute to it, but no loss either when I was eating at slightly below maintenance but working to drop a little BP. That is an area it shines. I leaned out FAST with the maintenance calories/macros and existing programming.

Anecdotally, and I swear there is something to this- there is a pheromone aspect to the increased DHT. On each run, in about 3-4 days, there is unsolicited attention and my wife gets more frisky. I thought I was crazy at first, but it happens each time. Needless to say, this is a huge confidence boost and for a guy that doesn't need that (LOL), I feel like a king on it.

So there you go, that is my take on them. I think you'll enjoy.
Thanks for the response, you make them sound great haha. The pheromone aspect sounds awesome as well. You said you had very little side effects which is cool, how about recovery after your cycles? How bad is the suppression? One of my main concerns if I decide to go down this route is messing up my HPTA. I know if I do this cycle and enjoy it that it won't be my last. I see a lot of people on the forums talking about being on TRT and I wonder how many of them are on it as a result of slowly messing themselves up cycle after cycle over the years. Just something that has been weighing on me before I decide to pull the trigger or not and turn in the natty card lol
 

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