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MSTEN + ?

Nycnano

Nycnano

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So I’m planning on running MSTEN in the next couple of months and trying to figure out what would be the better test base. I’m in between 4Andro, Androsterone and Epiandrosterone.

Leaning more towards the first 2 but just wanted to get some opinions. Pinning test is not an option at the moment unfortunately.
 
Anyone else besides Supreme or Brawn have 4-andro?

Any preference? I imagine supreme I would get it quicker cause powermyself is in Europe if I’m not mistaken. And brawns website doesn’t sell 4Andro?
 
So here’s what my cycle is looking like so far; still might make some adjustments. Gonna try to eat as much as possible and put on 10-12lbs

VL Msten : week 1-4 20mg
Supreme Labs 4-Andro : week 1-4 300mg


Cycle support :
CEL CYCLE ASSIST
TUDCA 500mg daily (or higher?)


PCT:
Clomid
50/50/50/50
Mtest
SNS Reduce XT

In the stash:
Letro
Ralox


Might add Carditone to control high BP

Thoughts? Trying to keep as much of my gains as possible once I’m done.
 
No, not in the 4 weeks. Should’ve worded it a bit better. I wanna put on 10-12 pounds, period. If I can keep 6-7 pounds from this cycle , great. After this I’m gonna run AE and acouple other things but I don’t wanna get too into that now.

Just wanna see if I’m missing anything for this cycle, pct etc
 
No, not in the 4 weeks. Should’ve worded it a bit better. I wanna put on 10-12 pounds, period. If I can keep 6-7 pounds from this cycle , great. After this I’m gonna run AE and acouple other things but I don’t wanna get too into that now.

Just wanna see if I’m missing anything for this cycle, pct etc
 
I’d try and see if I could last 6 weeks but that’s just me. 4 weeks just seems like a short time to make progress and to put your body through that. Just some food for thought.
 
I was originally thinking 5-6 but a lot of logs here I see people running it for 4 and some people say the gains after 4 weeks are not much.

I definitely wouldn’t mind shooting for 5-6 if my body can take it. I just don’t wanna cause anymore unnecessary damage if it’s not worth it.
 
If you still can find Trest i would recommend Trest. 40-50mg of oral trestolone every day would be good enough to avoid lethargy, improve libido and give you additional gains. And, of course, dont forget to use AI (anastrozole, exemestane) to avoid estrogen sides.

P.S.: There are several weeks since i cant find Trest anywere. I used to buy Brawn Trest but it seems it is out of stock (i dont know if due to new regulation in England or due to difficulties in find a raw source in China).
 
a.mocellim said:
If you still can find Trest i would recommend Trest. 40-50mg of oral trestolone every day would be good enough to avoid lethargy, improve libido and give you additional gains. And, of course, dont forget to use AI (anastrozole, exemestane) to avoid estrogen sides.

P.S.: There are several weeks since i cant find Trest anywere. I used to buy Brawn Trest but it seems it is out of stock (i dont know if due to new regulation in England or due to difficulties in find a raw source in China).
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So you think it’s a good idea to use an equally lousy short half-life drug like oral Trest over 4Andro, even if it means now needing to run an AI & no appreciable increase in final results?

Interesting thought process...
 
So I plan on taking 1 pill (10mg) around 8am and the other one around 5pm.

Should I space out the 4Andro as well? 8am, 12pm and 5pm? (100mg per pill) or all in the morning ?
 
Im reading up so much **** now that I’m digging myself in a deeper hole.

Should I run torem throughout cycle to minimize suppression?

Is it better to take. Nolva AND Clomid for PCt?

Sorry for all the questions fellas.
 
Nycnano said:
Im reading up so much **** now that I’m digging myself in a deeper hole.

Should I run torem throughout cycle to minimize suppression?

Is it better to take. Nolva AND Clomid for PCt?

Sorry for all the questions fellas.
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I know the feeling.

But the serm on cycle to prevent suppression is only a non validated theory. Some say it works for them, but no real evidence to prove it does. My personal presumption is that with any meaningful amount of gear it won't help. It would be amazingly awesome, if it did though.

Maybe this thread was where you got the idea from, but if not, then here's a long thread about it with a few attempts and bloodwork somewhere in there:

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The Clomid you have will be fine for pct. No need to stack serms. Unless gyno symptoms arise, Clomid wont fight that off, but you have Ralox and Letro.
 
Nycnano said:
So I plan on taking 1 pill (10mg) around 8am and the other one around 5pm.

Should I space out the 4Andro as well? 8am, 12pm and 5pm? (100mg per pill) or all in the morning ?
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Absolutely. Take a fourth pill before bed if you can, higher test levels improves sleep for most people. Get yourself something to control blood pressure and you'll have a better cycle. I use Cialis some use otcs like garlic and Hawthorne berry.
 
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