Msten / pmag log

plifter42

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Hey guys, logging my 8-week cycle of Anabolic Technologies Xtreme Mass (Methylstenbolone) and Hard Rock P-Mag 25 (Promagnon). Before and after pics will be posted.

Starting weight – 178 lbs

Diet:
Protein: 250g
Carbs: 300g
Fat: 70g

Breakfast will usually consist of 6 egg whites with 1 yolk and rest of meals will usually be jasmine white rice and chicken breasts cooked in olive oil. Hot sauce on everything.
- AM shake: 2 cups milk, 2 scoops vanilla protein, 1/3 cup frozen raspberries, 1/3 cup blackberries, 1/3 cup strawberries, 1 scoop Muscle Fiber
- PM shake: 2 cups milk, 2 scoops chocolate protein

Training
7 - day Rotation
1. Legs
2. Back
3. Chest
4. Arms
5. Shoulders
6. Off

Cycle:
Xtreme Mass (methylstenbolone mg/day)
12/12/12/12/0/0/0/0
Promag (methylclostebol mg/day)
50/50/50/50/75/75/75/75
Iron Labs Nutrition Cycle Support
2/3/3/3/3/3/3/3
BLR Rebirth
0/0/0/0/0/0/0/0/2/2/2/2
Performax Alphamax
0/0/0/0/0/0/0/0/4/4/4/4
 
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June 5 Friday - Day 5

Weigh in - 200lbs!!! Increased water weight, caloric intake and glycogen retention is really packing on that mass...

Muscles feel harder, workouts increased stamina, really liking this stack so far. Maybe the quick results are because this is my first time running methyl-sten.

Trained shoulders today with a buddy of mine who loves to superset. Would have put up higher weights if I didn't hit chest yesterday.

Workout
Seated overhead press supersetted with DB lateral raise
135x3x10
15x3x10
BB Gravity press supersetted with DB Gravity press
20x4x15
20x4x10
DB Side raise
10x10
10x10
10x10
Face pulls
25x25
25x25
25x25
25x3x25
 
Ate a whole pizza day before weigh-in + water weight + new compound... Different scale too... First one was at the doctor second was at the gym but they were both the same type. Weighing will be done with the gym scale from here on
 
One scale is definitely way off 22lb in 5 days is approx 15,500 calories above maintenance a day even if we attribute 12lbs to water that's still an excess of 7000kcal each day. You have the right idea pick one scale use it whole cycle

I like the compounds and pct is nice and solid is this 1st time on msten 12mg is a little low for a bulk but very nice for a recomp at that dose back pumps and lethargy will be minimal. Look forward to watching this
 
Doood love me some Pmag. This is a very ambitious cycle, especially for "low carb". No base?
 
No test base now, but might add in test-enanthate 600mg/wk and deca 600mg/wk somewhere during this cycle and extending it another few weeks. Pmag always does me good, and this is my first time running msten so I figured they would stack nicely together but I'm liking it so far. The sides aren't too bad, so that's a plus.

Day 9

Workout:
BB Curl supersetted with hammer curls
60x3x15
40x3x10
Reverse BB curl
60x15
60x15
60x15
Tricep pushdown
80x12
95x12
95x12
95x10
Concentration tricep pushdown
25x10
25x10
25x10
BB Skullcrushers
60x12
60x12
60x12
Machine curl
65x15
65x15
65x15
Ab crunch
50x20
50x20
50x20
 
what sides are you running into?
 
Some slight insomnia the first few days. Sides are very minimal... Minimal back pumps, minimal to zero lethargy.
 
BillyBatson said:
Pretty sure this isn't generally possible even on MASSIVE anabolics.
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Like I said... Diff scales... :dunno:

Starting pics taken on Day 1, June 1 2015, around noon. No pump.

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My physique goals are to build my chest and bicep muscles by the end of the cycle and also increase ab definition. I'm thinking of ordering a tub of bio-gro to supplement with my protein. Anyone wanna chime in their opinions on the product?
 
Waiting on 2 bottles of test cyp 200, 1x sust 250, and 2x deca 300.. Can't wait for the real fun to begin :drive:
 
Just curious, you mentioned that Pmag always treats you good...
How many cycles have you ran Pmag?

Also, have you ever run it solo?
If so, what dose? And for how long?
What were your gains and sides like?

Reason i ask, is i have a bottle of LGI's Pmag and some random companies "HRoid"...which was really just Pmag, so i mixed the 2 bottles (the leftovers i had) so i have just enough to run something like this:
50/75/75/75.....
I have ran Pmag once in the past, but i ran it at 125, as i always heard to run it higher than Hdrol...it worked extremely well of course. In 4 weeks i gained 17lbs, but my diet was dirty bulk, so i gained a bit of belly along with it all, haha.
Just wondering, what your thoughts are on running 4 weeks at 75mgs? As it will be my "final" PH cycle, most likely. I only have enough in my stash to run one Super DMZ 2.0 cycle, and one Alpha One 3 weeker, so the Pmag might be my last...saving it for a couple years from now, that way my receptors will be pretty damn clean (hopefully. That's the idea anyhow).
Or, i could do a Pmag and Alpha One extreme bulk!!!! (thoughts on that??)

What are your thoughts on Pmag in general, run solo for a month?
 
btw, your cycle looks really good man!
If you have enough, you should up the Msten to 20mgs...you wont regret it.

Keep up the good work!
 
plifter42 said:
Like I said... Diff scales... :dunno:

Starting pics taken on Day 1, June 1 2015, around noon. No pump.

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My physique goals are to build my chest and bicep muscles by the end of the cycle and also increase ab definition. I'm thinking of ordering a tub of bio-gro to supplement with my protein. Anyone wanna chime in their opinions on the product?
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Not trying to be a ******* at all, just wondering if your right pec has a bit of gyno or possibly just a layer of fat that is hard to get rid of? As i have the same thing, looks almost identical as your chest.
Im going to throw in 100 extra push ups a day, hoping it might hit my chest with the lower weight but high reps in mind...might target the area better?

Overall, you have great base. Your shoulders look ripped!
 
My first ever cycle was Antaeus Labs's pmag which was 25mgs per capsule. Ran it 50mgs the first week then 75mgs week 2-6... Best cycle of my life.

This is my fourth time running p-mag. The second time I ran pmag I ran it 50mgs for 6 weeks stacked with 45mgs of epistane... Wouldn't recommend it. Experienced undesirable sides from this combo. Third time I ran it for about 2-3 weeks as part of a 15-week test cycle, one of the three orals I ran during that cycle using test as a base, ramping from 500mgs to 2g's per week.

TL;DR: Gains from pmag solo diminish after week 4, so 4 weeks at 75mgs (the sweet spot for pmag) will do you nice. Personally, I would run p-mag for 4 weeks at 75mgs then sdmz 2.0 2 caps a day week 5-8. You'll definitely get lasting gains from that cycle. Or the sdmz then the p-mag, which order you prefer... sdmz 2.0 will give you more mass gains more quickly than p-mag, but p-mag is good for solidifying gains to make them last past pct. Both great PH's in my opinion, I might actually pick up a bottle of sdmz 2.0 before it's extinct.

Thanks, by the way. Xtreme Mass is 60 caps, I only have one bottle 6mgs per capsule. That's 30 days of 12mgs and I figured stacking it with 50mgs p-mag will give it a synergistic effect.

For Alpha One, I would stack it in a similar fashion, with p-mag at 50mgs until the p-mag runs out and the Alpha One at the bottle recommended dose.

Thanks for the compliment! My shoulders have always been a strong point for me, as well as my glutes quads and calves. Unfortunately, my weakest point is my pecs, they're so hard to grow, much harder to grow than any other body part for me. If I do have gyno, it's been there since I was like thirteen years old from puberty. I could use a lower bodyfat percentage though, and it would definitely help with that "gyno" look. But I've had gyno-looking nipple as long as I remember. I've tried to reduce it by running epistane multiple times. It helped while I was on, but returned to normal after the cycle was over. And I don't like epistane as a compound in general.

Hope that answers all your questions :) any other questions I'm willing to answer openly.
 
Day 12 - Friday, 12 June 2015
Weigh in - 200lbs (0 change since last weigh-in)

Couldn't catch a wink of sleep last night. Had an episode of insomnia. Hit the gym at 6AM to work chest after eating a pre-workout meal consisting of 1 cup apple cinnamon oatmeal, 6 egg whites with 1 yolk, and 12oz. organic juice blend.

Workout:
Smith Incline Bench Press (full, controlled reps to get a nice pump going)
135x12
225x3
185x6
185x6
135x2x12
Cable Chest Fly
35x12
35x12
35x12
25x12
Decline sit-ups
3x20

Thoughts on the workout - considering I got 4 hours of sleep the night before and zero hours of sleep before the workout, I felt like I had decent endurance that definitely was attributed to the stack. No pre-workout either. Loving this stack so far, and can't wait to add in oils into the mix!
 
plifter42 said:
My first ever cycle was Antaeus Labs's pmag which was 25mgs per capsule. Ran it 50mgs the first week then 75mgs week 2-6... Best cycle of my life.

This is my fourth time running p-mag. The second time I ran pmag I ran it 50mgs for 6 weeks stacked with 45mgs of epistane... Wouldn't recommend it. Experienced undesirable sides from this combo. Third time I ran it for about 2-3 weeks as part of a 15-week test cycle, one of the three orals I ran during that cycle using test as a base, ramping from 500mgs to 2g's per week.

TL;DR: Gains from pmag solo diminish after week 4, so 4 weeks at 75mgs (the sweet spot for pmag) will do you nice. Personally, I would run p-mag for 4 weeks at 75mgs then sdmz 2.0 2 caps a day week 5-8. You'll definitely get lasting gains from that cycle. Or the sdmz then the p-mag, which order you prefer... sdmz 2.0 will give you more mass gains more quickly than p-mag, but p-mag is good for solidifying gains to make them last past pct. Both great PH's in my opinion, I might actually pick up a bottle of sdmz 2.0 before it's extinct.

Thanks, by the way. Xtreme Mass is 60 caps, I only have one bottle 6mgs per capsule. That's 30 days of 12mgs and I figured stacking it with 50mgs p-mag will give it a synergistic effect.

For Alpha One, I would stack it in a similar fashion, with p-mag at 50mgs until the p-mag runs out and the Alpha One at the bottle recommended dose.

Thanks for the compliment! My shoulders have always been a strong point for me, as well as my glutes quads and calves. Unfortunately, my weakest point is my pecs, they're so hard to grow, much harder to grow than any other body part for me. If I do have gyno, it's been there since I was like thirteen years old from puberty. I could use a lower bodyfat percentage though, and it would definitely help with that "gyno" look. But I've had gyno-looking nipple as long as I remember. I've tried to reduce it by running epistane multiple times. It helped while I was on, but returned to normal after the cycle was over. And I don't like epistane as a compound in general.

Hope that answers all your questions :) any other questions I'm willing to answer openly.
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Man, first of all, thanks for the solid reply!

And i wasnt talking bout your nips, i was just referencing to the right side. Looks like mine, like its lagging behind or carries muscle/fat weird. I need to lower my body fat as well, my last cycle but a bit of fat on me. My diet was a bit off the last 2 weeks and f'd it all up!

Why do you not like Epi? Im kinda the same way, though i dont know exactly why...Im actually running it in a stack right now, bahahaha. Epi, Hdrol, Tren, Msten, 4Andro...all low to moderated dosed compounds though.
I never got the whole "Epi will help with gyno" thing. I know some Asian scientist said that or something, but i have heard otherwise, some have got gyno from Epi! I hope thats not the case with my cycle right now!

Now you really got me thinking about bridging my Super DMZ2 before or after Pmag! Damn you!!!! Just not sure how i should do it...Pmag brings the gains, but they are kinda "wet" (though i know its a dry compound), its just the gains seem to make me have a puffy look and not the lean muscle look. Diet depends on that i suppose though. Never ran SuperDMZ2 before. Ive ran both DMZ and Msten solo though. Im guessing lots of strength and decent gains...the DMZ needs to be higher dosed! Maybe Pmag first to get as much weight on me as possible, then straight into SuperDMZ2 to work on the physique more. 8 weeks total. Pmag 50/75/75/75-SDMZ2 2/2/2/2, then 5 weeks of both clomid and nolva (im a big fan of running both serms, especially after a stack...and ive never done a 8 weeker too).

What kind of gains did you get off your first Pmag run? Lean or just bulky?
 
What kind of AI/estrogen supp are you taking while on cycle? And whats your PCT look like?
Right now, im taking 6Bromo (which may or may not be real/good!!!), Inhibit E @ 25mgs per nite, and Erase @ 25mgs at nite. Also some Inhibit P, for the trenavar and trenazone im running, with a extra 400mg cap of Vitex at nite (120mgs Tvar, and just 1ml Tzone).
Probably overdoing it on the estrogen supps, but, im feeling good still, so i know it hasn't killed my estro. I think Erase is pretty weak stuff, really. Mostly good for cortisol mostly.

*sorry for derailing your log, man. I will PM you from now on.
 
No it's fine, I don't mind brother!

What kind of AI/estrogen supp are you taking while on cycle? And whats your PCT look like?

Your estro/prolactin support looks solid to me bro. I have some OL Elim1nate but I haven't taken any yet, I'm about to pop one right now actually... But I don't pay much attention to AI support with oral compounds, I pay more attention when I'm using oils like a high test injectable cycle. I don't think you're overdoing the estrogen supps looks fine to me, I just personally don't pay that much attention to it when I'm running PH's.

What kind of gains did you get off your first Pmag run? Lean or just bulky?

Lean. Gained upwards of 20lbs of lean body mass and lost bodyfat too. I trained 6x a week though and did 15 mins of intense cardio at the end of every workout during that cycle, plus had virgin receptors. Definitely transformed nicely during that first run.

Why do you not like Epi?
First off, that stack looks like a good-ass time to me! Especially with that many compounds it's not a bad idea at all to run all those support supps. Epi causes me joint pain and lethargy, and the gains aren't even that good considering the sides that come with it. I'd rather take hdrol or tren to cut than epi.

Now you really got me thinking about bridging my Super DMZ2 before or after Pmag!
Muahahaha... :D It's a misconception that SDMZ2 has a low dose of DMZ in it because it has a pretty high dose of methylsten and they work synergistically. It should give you great strength gains. I would actually run the SDMZ2 then go into the p-mag after now that I think of it because p-mag will solidify the gains that you will definitely receive from the SDMZ2.

As far as the gyno goes, yeah, it's possible that I have some but that's just more motivation to build bigger pecs to offset the appearance of the gyno if I even have it.

As far as running an 8-week cycle goes, p-mag is a mild compound. 4 weeks of SDMZ2 and then 4 weeks of p-mag I think would be less harsh, than, for example, running your current multi-compound stack for 8 weeks or even SDMZ2 for 8 weeks. One of my favorite things about p-mag is that it is very versatile (could be used in a bulk, cut, or recomp).
 
Day 14 Sunday 14 June 2015

Initial gains from the stack are starting to level off. Not feeling the crazy muscle gains from the first two weeks but the pumps and endurance are still kicking strong.

Workout:
Lat Pulldown
100x15
140x12
160x10
160x12
160x12
Inclined-bench DB rows
75x12
75x15
75x15
75x15
Decline situps
3x25
 
Monday June 15 2015

Day 15

Added a lot of mass in a short period of time so decided to throw some fatburners I got from samples. Got some PX Black, Epiburn Pro, Decimate ECA, 360Cut Thermogenic, around 1 cap a day each unless caffeine tolerance develops, and extra caps as needed for workout motivation or energy booster.

Meal 1:
- 750 mL 2% milk
- 2 scoops of vanilla Muscle Milk (Whey and Casien protein)
- 1/3 cup blueberries
- 1/3 cup strawberries
- 1/3 cup cherries
- 1/4 cup kale
Meal 2 (pre-workout) - 2 Chipotle Chicken Flautas with hot sauce
Meal 3 (post-workout) - 1 serving PES Select Protein with 9 oz water, 1 cup jasmine rice, 1 cup spinach, 5 oz chicken
Meal 4 - 1/2 cup jasmine rice, 5 oz chicken, Cholula hot sauce
Meal 5 - 9oz chicken
Meal 6 - Met-Rx protein bar

Supps:
- Multi-V
- Iron labs Cycle Support 3 caps spread out
- 2000 iu D3
- 12mg methylstenbolone
- 50 mg promag
- 25mg OL Elim1nate
- Finaflex PX Black 2 caps am (600mcg 3,5 T2)

Workout
Seated Smith Overhead Press
135x10
185x5
185x5
185x5
135x20
Front DB Raise
20x10
20x15
20x15
20x15
DB Shrug
75x12
75x15
75x15
Decline Situp
2x20
 
Got my BP taken at the doctor the other day. Was 150/80 which they said was hypertension. I usually don't get BP issues unless I stack two methyls but I didn't think my BP would be this high. Upping my dose of Cycle Support to 3 caps daily and starting to take 1 cap of El1mistane daily. Just ordered some adex mad liquid via from SuperiorPeptides.
 
Tuesday June 16 2015

Day 16

Felt some lethargy today, could be due to the melatonin I took last night. Melatonin has that effect on me.

Meal 1: 6 egg whites w/ 1 yolk, 1 cup of oatmeal
Meal 2: - 750 mL 2% milk
- 2 scoops of vanilla Muscle Milk
- 1/3 cup blueberries
- 1/3 cup strawberries
- 1/3 cup cherries
- 1/4 cup kale
Meal 3: 1 cup jasmine rice, 12oz ribs, 5 oz carrots
Meal 4: 2 Chipotle Chicken Flautas
Meal 5: 2 scoops Phase8 protein with 2 cups milk

Supps:
- Multi-V
- Iron labs Cycle Support 3 caps
- 2000 iu D3
- 12mg methylstenbolone
- 50 mg promag
- 25mg OL Elim1nate
- Finaflex PX Black 3 caps am (900mcg 3,5 T2)

Workout
Straight bar cable curl
80x10
80x12
72.5x15
65x10
50x20
Hammer curl
45x8
45x10
45x10
Reverse grip curl
60x12
60x15
60x15
Machine bicep curl
80x20
80x20
 
Starting to feel shutdown... Never running a compound without a test base again. -_- Just started a new job at a restaurant and GNC, schedule's been packed.
 
The worst shutdown I ever got was DMZ 8-week cycle at 45mgs throughout with no test base or anything. Felt like crap week 7/8... I should have all of my test/deca/adex soon though.

Few questions:
- How long does a bottle of dermacrine usually last for?
- Don't want to sound like broscience... But if I apply this to my abdomen, will it increase my ab definition appearance? Or could I even go as far as to think that it could decrease bodyfat in my abs?
- Which areas are dermacrine most bioavailable? I would assume my traps (where there are the most androgen receptors)
- Does dosage timing matter?
- Is it true that dermacrine increases IGF-1 and HGH?
 
Sorry for all the questions... But what role would Dermacrine play in PCT? And I should stop taking it once I'm on test right?
 
plifter42 said:
The worst shutdown I ever got was DMZ 8-week cycle at 45mgs throughout with no test base or anything. Felt like crap week 7/8... I should have all of my test/deca/adex soon though.

Few questions:
- How long does a bottle of dermacrine usually last for?
- Don't want to sound like broscience... But if I apply this to my abdomen, will it increase my ab definition appearance? Or could I even go as far as to think that it could decrease bodyfat in my abs?
- Which areas are dermacrine most bioavailable? I would assume my traps (where there are the most androgen receptors)
- Does dosage timing matter?
- Is it true that dermacrine increases IGF-1 and HGH?
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1. depends how many pumps you use per day based off weight. its 115 pumps and for you seems like 3-4 pumps per day would do it.
2. no. and actually you want to apply it to areas with the thinnest skin so it has better absorption. you can do some to the abs, but Id do 3/4 to elsewhere. Inner thigh, upper arms (inner arms), chest and upper chest, traps, hips, behind the knees. you dont want to put it on fatty areas.
3. sort of answered in 2, but its not about andro receptors, its about thinnest skin and skin converting DHEA to androgens via enzymes in the skin.
4, yes and no. its transdermal, so its a slow absorption and release. Morning is best so you have energy for the day. Sometimes I do 3 pumps AM and 1-2 pumps 3pm about 1-2 hrs pre workout (mainly because I dont want to fit 4-5 pumps on me in the AM)
5. I do not know, but I am going to say no based off ingredients. Its more andro and cognitive oriented. But I may be wrong.

And no Dermacrine in PCT. You would stop it with your cycle. It supresses you.
 
Wednesday Day 20

Smith Machine Bench
135x15
185x10
185x10
135x12
High cable fly
35x12
35x12
30x12

Wednesday Day 24

Strength has been steady because I have cut my calories in almost have, mostly carbs. I still eat a lot of protein. Have not weighed in since last weigh in (200lbs) The larger-than-normal initial increase in mass was assumably not all muscle and I have been getting in more cardio from my jobs at a restaurant and a supplement shop. Also I do very strict reps when training chest and shoulder because I have suffered multiple RC injuries in the past.

Smith Bench Press
135x20
185x5
185x7
135x20
High cable fly dropset (3 dropsets)
50lbs, 35, 25, 15 (4 weights per dropset)
Dip Station Straight Leg Raise
2x10
 
Dermacrine 3/3/4/4/5till the bottle runs out. Or 3 pumps a day will last 6 weeks. Apply to upper chest, shoulders, traps, tops of feet, inner forearm and nutz.
 
Smont said:
and nutz.
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#notsureifsrs... 3 pumps is working so far, could imagine ramping up to 4/5/ pumps would exert greater effects, but I apply it usually to my traps, shoulders, upper chest, inner biceps and inner forearms.
 
srs on nutz. for real. its thin and highly vascularized skin so absorbs well
 
Anyhow, got a better test base now. Pinned 1 ml of Sust 250 and 1 ml of Deca 300 yesterday and today, and then on thursday. Then I will be following a a Monday/Thursday protocol. Just ran out of MSten. I really liked it personally. I could have gone up to 20mgs I think without any side effects. At the end of my Test and Deca run I will be using PMag as a finisher to solidify my gains from the oils. Also taking adex 0.5mgs on Monday and Thursday.
 
Sust will work much better and much faster if u pin smaller amounts eod, even mon,wed,fri would be better then 2xweek because of the short esters. Even tho your pinning 500 a week your not getting close to 500 in your system and levels will really fluctuate up and down so be prepared for estrogen sides. I no it sucks having to pin so often but it will make a big difference
 
Currently taking 0.5mg adex to control e2 levels.
 
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