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MSTEN CYCLE

Could for sure have some estro sides with that dose, wait for some others to chime in but I'd say go with the aromasin and see if it clears up :)
 
So i stopped taking the msten 2 days ago but am still taking 660mg of 4 andro daily. Just waiting to finish whats left. Just curious what would happen if i dosed the clomid at 25mg daily for pct? I dont feel supressed at all, i would really like some feedback on this
 
Not feeling suppressed is just a nice touch, you probably are if it was legit m-sten! I'd go with the normal protocol but it's your choice, if you do do 25 taper down to 12.5 for a week or so
 
Juicedeez utz said:
Not feeling suppressed is just a nice touch, you probably are if it was legit m-sten! I'd go with the normal protocol but it's your choice, if you do do 25 taper down to 12.5 for a week or so
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I think im going to play it safe and do my usual 50/50/25/25 dosage. This cycle went great, but tbh i dont know if these gains came mostly from the msten or me just eating like a horse. Brawn nutrition makes legit trenavar so im guessing the rest of their products are legit as well, ive just never seen too many msten cycle logs by them. I did have side effects the first week which leads to believe this has to have had some contribution to the gains i made
 
You got a before and after pic? How much fat did you gain? What were the strength gains like? I almost bought some brawn epi but I found some havoc so didn't bother! from what I've seen of m-sten cycles are big strength with dry lean gains, not much water retention, what's your finishing weight?
 
Juicedeez utz said:
You got a before and after pic? How much fat did you gain? What were the strength gains like? I almost bought some brawn epi but I found some havoc so didn't bother! from what I've seen of m-sten cycles are big strength with dry lean gains, not much water retention, what's your finishing weight?
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I went from 148 to 163 body fat stayed relatively the same around 14-15% all of my lifts went up, squat went from 175 for 2-3 reps to 225 for 2-3 reps bench went from 115 for 5x5 to 135 for 4x8, for back exercises i dont really do any compounds since i deadlift on leg day but im able to go much heavier on lat pull downs
 
Well I'd say it's pretty legit then! You try putting on nearly 20lbs in 6 weeks with just eating naturally! Let alone not gaining any bf%!! Nice gains though man! Sounds like you had a good run!
 
Juicedeez utz said:
Well I'd say it's pretty legit then! You try putting on nearly 20lbs in 6 weeks with just eating naturally! Let alone not gaining any bf%!! Nice gains though man! Sounds like you had a good run!
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Is a pct dosage of clomid of 50/50/25/25 something that is done no matter what prohormone/steroid you take? So even if i dont feel suppressed i should always take that dosage?
 
It does not matter how you feel. Bloodwork is all that matters, and yes, - that's a standard dosage. Would it be possible to do less Clomid or Nolva? Probably, maybe even likely, but this is considered to be good and safe.
 
Today i started my pct, ive been off of msten for about 4 days now but just stopped taking the 4 andro yesterday. Strength has decreased a bit but my weight is still the same. Ive been able to sleep much better and libido is a bit higher. Ive had a cold pretty much this entire cycle and as soon as i came off of the msten it started to get better, no more green mucus or clogged nose
 
On day 8 of my pct, weight is still the same more or less (166lb) i find it harder to get a good pump, strength and energy is still here
 
My elbow and shoulder joints are feeling very achy, weight is still the same strength is still here but i have lost both fullness and size, i am still hitting 170 plus grams of protein daily and eating 4000 calories a day, is this normal?
 
You taking an AI atall? I'd say it's normal, you won't be storing as much glycogen now that you're off the MSten, which contributes to the full pumped feeling and your body is resetting to normal, just keep up the diet, train hard and heavy!
 
Juicedeez utz said:
You taking an AI atall? I'd say it's normal, you won't be storing as much glycogen now that you're off the MSten, which contributes to the full pumped feeling and your body is resetting to normal, just keep up the diet, train hard and heavy!
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No AI just clomid at 50mg, im turning skinny fat lmaoo ill still be training heavy thats for sure
 
Summing up this cycle id give it a 7/10. I kept all of the strength from the cycle but i kept very little mass. I still weigh the same but lost a lot of fullness and size. The worst part is that i feel like complete crap mentally. My libido is nearly nonexistent, i have no motivation, and ive been getting emotional over things that dont usually matter to me. Im considering trying nolva for next cycle's pct. thanks for all of your guys' help on my first cycle
 
Mraesthetic12 said:
The last couple of days ive felt very weird, lost motivation in pretty much everything other than lifting, everything seems gray, im not sad so i dont know if this is depression but i pretty much lay in bed all day, is this the msten?
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I find myself in a similar headspace from a combination of msten and methyldiazirinol. When I cut out the msten, most of the lethargy went away. I plan on taking a staggered dose of the msten.
 
PaulZav said:
I find myself in a similar headspace from a combination of msten and methyldiazirinol. When I cut out the msten, most of the lethargy went away. I plan on taking a staggered dose of the msten.
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Whose Mdiaz? That’s a hard compound to find?

Staggered dose, explain?

Did you run any test or 4 andro/dermacrine etc? That helps with lethargy!
 
Rad83 said:
Whose Mdiaz? That’s a hard compound to find?

Staggered dose, explain?

Did you run any test or 4 andro/dermacrine etc? That helps with lethargy!
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The methyldiaz is from Matrix. They have some quality products, in my opinion. I also have some S23 from them, and I felt it after the first dose.

By staggered I just meant that I'm not taking it every day. In fact, I haven't taken it at all since the lethargy experience, however, I will be reintroducing it on days that I plan on pushing extra hard on the weights. I could use a little boost on my shoulder workouts and my back workouts.
I've been killing it on chest lately. Legs ands biceps so-so. I think I'm making good progress there too.

On the other hand, some refer to a staggered dose being a schedule of dosing where you run one compound regularly, every day, and add in a different compound every few days, for a little extra push.

It wouldn't make sense for me to take msten every day, considering the side effects present when I do. I feel good having cleared it from my system entirely. I will just jave to see how it goes if and when I start to reintroduce it into my cycle. Who knows, I may just end up letting it sit on the shelf for a few months.
 
Edit: I meant I'm not taking the msten every day. I am running a small dose of methyldiaz and s23, though. I have a pretty strong response to low dose prohormones lately, for some reason. No need to overdo it.
 
Had an incredibly strong prohormone response my self..and a rough pct from Msten.

Matrix, yeah I was looking at their Mdiaz for a while and could no longer find that brand
 
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