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Msten cycle layout

07tacoma

07tacoma

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Looking to start an msten cycle and want to make sure I have everything covered going to look like this, let me know if I should change anything or add thanks!

Weeks 1-4
Msten 12/12/24/24
Liv52
Arm1care pro
Exemestane on hand also have letrone

Weeks 4-8
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Clomid 50/50/25/25
LGI rehab
Also throw in creatine and arachidonic acid
Also all pct/ai are research chems
Clean diet moderate surplus 250-500 cals
 
Dude it takes some time for guys to jump in and I know from experience. These guys answer questions all day so don't take it personal when they dont answer right away..

What's your cycle history?
Stats?
I'm no expert but it's always good to lay that out.

What I can tell you is that you might want to save the creatine for pct...that's what I've read a lot around here...good luck bro
 
unreal89 said:
I've only used nolvadex but works good for me
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That what I was leaning towards
Did a 1 andro 4 andro stack a while back as my first cycle amd used clomid so wanted to try nolva this time. Thinking about using board sponsors for pct products
 
07tacoma said:
That what I was leaning towards
Did a 1 andro 4 andro stack a while back as my first cycle amd used clomid so wanted to try nolva this time. Thinking about using board sponsors for pct products
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Yeah that's my go 2 if I'm using research grade also
 
For PCT, you want to address the rise in cortisol. SNS REDUCE XT would be perfect for this.
 
I would add Dermacrine as well for a test base to combat lethargy
Nolva and Clomid will be fine especially because they are RC and could be bunk or underdosed. If running one, I'd do Clomid over Nolva

With ArA - you're gonna want to pick up some GMS/Soy lecithin and baby aspirin or ALCAR. ArA is best taken fasted.

Cortisol will definitely rise so reduce XT will be a good addition.

Also - be careful with all those AI. If ACP isn't enough, do Exemestane as needed. But I wouldn't run ACP, Letrone, and Exemestane. Your joints will hate you. Your estrogen will plummet. You NEED estrogen to build muscle, too
 
Woody said:
I would add Dermacrine as well for a test base to combat lethargy
Nolva and Clomid will be fine especially because they are RC and could be bunk or underdosed. If running one, I'd do Clomid over Nolva

With ArA - you're gonna want to pick up some GMS/Soy lecithin and baby aspirin or ALCAR. ArA is best taken fasted.

Cortisol will definitely rise so reduce XT will be a good addition.

Also - be careful with all those AI. If ACP isn't enough, do Exemestane as needed. But I wouldn't run ACP, Letrone, and Exemestane. Your joints will hate you. Your estrogen will plummet. You NEED estrogen to build muscle, too
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Yea only going to use the exemestane if needed. Never had estrogen problems during 1 andro and 4 andro or through puberty so I think I'll be fine. Plus just came of competition so body fat under 10
 
07tacoma said:
Yea only going to use the exemestane if needed. Never had estrogen problems during 1 andro and 4 andro or through puberty so I think I'll be fine. Plus just came of competition so body fat under 10
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Always smart to have it on hand if needed. You shouldn't even need letrone TBH.

If funds allow, Testify will be a good addition after PCT. Assuming you're running 50 days of ArA (~10 weeks at 5 workouts a week) you'll be able to run Testify and ArA for 6 weeks together.

I wouldn't run something like Testify during PCT though because Clomid will send your test through the roof as is.
 
Woody said:
Always smart to have it on hand if needed. You shouldn't even need letrone TBH.

If funds allow, Testify will be a good addition after PCT. Assuming you're running 50 days of ArA (~10 weeks at 5 workouts a week) you'll be able to run Testify and ArA for 6 weeks together.

I wouldn't run something like Testify during PCT though because Clomid will send your test through the roof as is.
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I was originally gonna go with the nolva to help with rising estrogen in pct, but if you feel clomid would be the better choice I will go with that. I just have the letrone already from previous andro cycle.
 
Seems like Testify is an awesome natty product! Like everything I read. Is testify pro no longer available? What's is there a difference or just one is pills on powder?
 
Well not planning on starting this cycle until after September but I'm itching for something so picked up the test1fy and some x gels and gonna give that a run
 
OK idk your stats so I can't really tell you what to do but I would go 20mgs msten first 3 weeks bump to 30 mgs the last 3 weeks
 
So looks like I was able to source pharm grade exemestan, nolva, clomid. Maybe in wrong but I feel all of those would be overkill for an msten/dermacrine cycle. Nowing now that I have pharmacy grade for pct should I use both nolva and clomid or just one and why? Thanks for help
 
07tacoma said:
So looks like I was able to source pharm grade exemestan, nolva, clomid. Maybe in wrong but I feel all of those would be overkill for an msten/dermacrine cycle. Nowing now that I have pharmacy grade for pct should I use both nolva and clomid or just one and why? Thanks for help
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You could run either, or combine them if you really want. If you chose to go with one, I would chose clomid personally
 
There 12mg
I ended up with just clomid and exemestane to have on hand cycle should look like this, as this is what I have
Msten 24/24/24/24
Dermacrine 3 pumps ED
Cycle armor ED
Arm1care pro ED

PCT
Clomid 50/50/25/25
Lgi rehab ED
Reduce XT ED
*exemestane on hand
 
07tacoma said:
There 12mg
I ended up with just clomid and exemestane to have on hand cycle should look like this, as this is what I have
Msten 24/24/24/24
Dermacrine 3 pumps ED
Cycle armor ED
Arm1care pro ED

PCT
Clomid 50/50/25/25
Lgi rehab ED
Reduce XT ED
*exemestane on hand
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New layout looks great man!
 
Just remembered I have a bottle of letrone laying around. Should I throw that in pct at some point to make sure there is not gyno rebound or would it be unnecessary?
 
Most definitely bulk. Trying to put on some size. Slowy reverse dieting out of contest and getting calories back up
 
07tacoma said:
There 12mg
I ended up with just clomid and exemestane to have on hand cycle should look like this, as this is what I have
Msten 24/24/24/24
Dermacrine 3 pumps ED
Cycle armor ED
Arm1care pro ED

PCT
Clomid 50/50/25/25
Lgi rehab ED
Reduce XT ED
*exemestane on hand
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I'll tell you this if it's legit msten you won't want to stop week 4 lol it's to dry and you'll look so good for summer you'll bump the dose an ride it out another three weeks
 
Was actually able to grab 2 bottles of lgi msten10 from someone I know. So I know there legit and a good company
 
Nah man impossible unless you went 20mgs all the way threw you could say your on an insane diet and have been working really hard lol you'll be super vascular and lean
 
Pretty much going 20mg msten and then dermacrine all the way through buy for sure in a surplus of at least 300-500 cals
Clean foods.
 
07tacoma said:
Funny questions but how noticeable are the gains from msten? Trying to go incognito on cycle. Nobody knows
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I've never taken it, but I would only imagine that they would be relatively noticeable, especially in a caloric surplus. I had people asking me left and right what I was taking back when I ran epistane, it's a great feeling tbh hahah
 
Haha hopefully ppl notice because I want the gains. I'll just play dumb tho bulking season! Hopefully with the msten10 amd a surplus of clean foods I can get a solid 10+
 
07tacoma said:
Haha hopefully ppl notice because I want the gains. I'll just play dumb tho bulking season! Hopefully with the msten10 amd a surplus of clean foods I can get a solid 10+
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Just tell them you're bulking or taking creatine hahah, people are gullible. I still have people asking me what I'm taking or what I've taken till this day (almost a year later)
 
Means your doing it right! One question I keep forgetting to ask is should I do 10mg the first week or just straight 20mg? Only cycle experience is 1 andro 4 andro stack.
 
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