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MSTEN Cycle for 2nd PH cycle advice

Jumpi

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Hey guys, I am now planning on my 2nd PH cycle and want to try Msten only on a slight moderate dose and with prepared diet on macros and liver support ,pct etc.

Do you think Msten is okay for a 2nd cycle?

What is the dosage with best ratio on building mass( I am going to bulk) and less side effects?

Any more advice on Msten what to expect and maybe some tricks to help me out when you experienced Msten

Thank you
 
What was your first cycle? 20-30mg is pretty common for msten. I’d recommend a good cycle assist like cel cycle assist or olympus labs kings guard (add tudca to either as well) I’d limit the cycle to 6 weeks max. For the results it provides, msten had very few side effects for me. It will be pretty harsh on the organs and lipids though.
 
First cycle was 1+4 andro (8 weeks) , you think a pct with nolva is enough or should I add something to recover and bring my own test levels up as fast as possible?
 
Jumpi said:
First cycle was 1+4 andro (8 weeks) , you think a pct with nolva is enough or should I add something to recover and bring my own test levels up as fast as possible?
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Nolva is enough, but you can add some otc stuff if you want. I personally liked adding sup3r pct to my serms back when I pct’d
 
AnabolicGuru said:
Nolva is enough, but you can add some otc stuff if you want. I personally liked adding sup3r pct to my serms back when I pct’d
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Second this. I like sup3r pct with nolva for pct. Msten is a good second cycle. I didnt get really any side effects and i was running it stacked
 
Is it really rally that great for bulking? Some people say up to 10-15 lbs in just 4 weeks on lean mass depends on diet? Is this true from your experience or is this just marketing?
 
Jumpi said:
Is it really rally that great for bulking? Some people say up to 10-15 lbs in just 4 weeks on lean mass depends on diet? Is this true from your experience or is this just marketing?
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It all depends on diet but yeah 10-15 lbs in 4 weeks is totally doable. Msten is really great for whatever you want to do with it really
 
AnabolicGuru said:
What was your first cycle? 20-30mg is pretty common for msten. I’d recommend a good cycle assist like cel cycle assist or olympus labs kings guard (add tudca to either as well) I’d limit the cycle to 6 weeks max. For the results it provides, msten had very few side effects for me. It will be pretty harsh on the organs and lipids though.
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Hey whats nanodrol dosage at? 1.5 ml =?
 
Jumpi said:
Is it really rally that great for bulking? Some people say up to 10-15 lbs in just 4 weeks on lean mass depends on diet? Is this true from your experience or is this just marketing?
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Well I wouldn't gain that much now but if you're a beginner sure. Thing is that 10lbs lean mass is a lot of muscle, even 5 lbs is very much for 4 weeks but totally possible. Thing with msten is that if you're in a decent shape it really gives you tren/winstrol like gains and that's quite amazing considering it's a bulking steroid. Look in the mirror not the scale.

Msten is at the absolute top of any oral steroid ever produced.
 
Chados said:
Well I wouldn't gain that much now but if you're a beginner sure. Thing is that 10lbs lean mass is a lot of muscle, even 5 lbs is very much for 4 weeks but totally possible. Thing with msten is that if you're in a decent shape it really gives you tren/winstrol like gains and that's quite amazing considering it's a bulking steroid. Look in the mirror not the scale.

Msten is at the absolute top of any oral steroid ever produced.
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Yeah thats what i do. People always asking me how much i gained from certain cycles and im over here like "Um idk..." Lol i never watch the scale on cycle. I do have a hard time looking away from the mirror on cycle sometimes though lol
 
Are the gains on Msten keepable after pct?

And it is one of the strongest, so it is harsh on the body too, it is the first time for me taking something that strong (will only go 4weeks) what can I do else than a good pct to keep my endocrine system good and safe after the cycle an recover as fast as possible?

How fast after cycle should the sex drive get back to Normal?

Thanks
 
Jumpi said:
Are the gains on Msten keepable after pct?

And it is one of the strongest, so it is harsh on the body too, it is the first time for me taking something that strong (will only go 4weeks) what can I do else than a good pct to keep my endocrine system good and safe after the cycle an recover as fast as possible?

How fast after cycle should the sex drive get back to Normal?

Thanks
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You could try running clomid or torem on cycle. Some guys say that it keeps you from being shut down making pct easier. Idk how accurate that is though since ive never tried it. Just an idea. I can't remember how long it took for me after pct honestly. Im on trt nowadays. I wanna say i felt back to "normal" libido wise after a week or 2. Its kind of hard to know when you're back to baseline cause after running a cycle you have to go back to everyday life not being enhanced and it sucks lol but usually after a month pct you should be back to normal. Bloodwork will tell you for sure.
 
Jumpi said:
Are the gains on Msten keepable after pct?

And it is one of the strongest, so it is harsh on the body too, it is the first time for me taking something that strong (will only go 4weeks) what can I do else than a good pct to keep my endocrine system good and safe after the cycle an recover as fast as possible?

How fast after cycle should the sex drive get back to Normal?

Thanks
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Also most of the gains are keepable from most cycles aside from water weight/glycogen. Do a good pct. Keep training and diet on point and eat for maintenance of your new size and youll keep as much as is keepable. Dont worry about dropping some water/glycogen that sh1t happens when you come off, it just does. Keep diet and training on point and you'll keep plenty
 
Okay thanks for helping me out, what brands of Msten are actually legit? I don't want to buy something what is underdosed or fake , is brawn or iml legit?
 
Why do people run PH’s so short? Four weeks is gonna fly by. Is it out of of fear that the compound is super toxic?
 
Jumpi said:
Are the gains on Msten keepable after pct?

And it is one of the strongest, so it is harsh on the body too, it is the first time for me taking something that strong (will only go 4weeks) what can I do else than a good pct to keep my endocrine system good and safe after the cycle an recover as fast as possible?

How fast after cycle should the sex drive get back to Normal?

Thanks
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Msten is fairly mild actually for being so strong. I have never encountered or heard anyone having any problems but i do with anadrol or superdrol
 
YoungThor said:
Why do people run PH’s so short? Four weeks is gonna fly by. Is it out of of fear that the compound is super toxic?
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Cause the pH era suggested 4 weeks max to not get sued or kill someone. Steroids are being prescribed for months at a much higher dosage so the recommendation is mostly completely based on companies not being doctors.. That being said you don't have to run 150mg anadrol for 5 months just because you probably can.

You also have diminished gains if running that long.
 
christ83189 said:
Yeah thats what i do. People always asking me how much i gained from certain cycles and im over here like "Um idk..." Lol i never watch the scale on cycle. I do have a hard time looking away from the mirror on cycle sometimes though lol
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I feel you. You gotta be prepared to lose at least 20% weight after a most cycles.
 
Chados said:
Cause the pH era suggested 4 weeks max to not get sued or kill someone. Steroids are being prescribed for months at a much higher dosage so the recommendation is mostly completely based on companies not being doctors.. That being said you don't have to run 150mg anadrol for 5 months just because you probably can.

You also have diminished gains if running that long.
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Sounds like people should start running them twice as long. I don’t know if I’ll ever mess with any PH but I definitely wouldn’t pick one without confidentiality knowing I can run it longer than four weeks. Four weeks just seems so short to me.
 
YoungThor said:
Sounds like people should start running them twice as long. I don’t know if I’ll ever mess with any PH but I definitely wouldn’t pick one without confidentiality knowing I can run it longer than four weeks. Four weeks just seems so short to me.
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I always do 8 but thats just me. Not telling anyone else they need to do that thats just how i do it
 
christ83189 said:
You could try running clomid or torem on cycle. Some guys say that it keeps you from being shut down making pct easier. Idk how accurate that is though since ive never tried it. Just an idea. I can't remember how long it took for me after pct honestly. Im on trt nowadays. I wanna say i felt back to "normal" libido wise after a week or 2. Its kind of hard to know when you're back to baseline cause after running a cycle you have to go back to everyday life not being enhanced and it sucks lol but usually after a month pct you should be back to normal. Bloodwork will tell you for sure.
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Haha, this is so true. After running a cycle ‘normal’ doesn’t happen for me. There’s on cycle and off cycle.......I don’t mind being off but am always looking forward to being on and don’t really ever get that ‘gonna smash the gym’ feeling like I used to before I started.
 
Well orals are quick and therefore the gains will come fast also stop fast. Its possible to gain more during a longer cycle but the most will come after just a few weeks and greatly decrease afterwards. M1T is one that you shouldn't run long at all just because of the liver but pretty much everything else you can but have to worry more about other parts of the body.
 
christ83189 said:
I always do 8 but thats just me. Not telling anyone else they need to do that thats just how i do it
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8 week oral cycle is perfect to me risk vs reward. SD is an exception most cant handle it that long, except maybe the injectable version.
 
christ83189 said:
Yeah i dont think i would try sd or m1t that long
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I would probably TRY... If I felt good. That Viking injectable SD seems like the ****, Mike Arnold said he put on 25 lbs in 27 days (plus he is already a big dude) with NO side effects, and he always got bad sides from oral SD. If gains like that kept rolling in I would be down for the long haul lol. But no dubt they will slow soon, I can't see an 8 week cycle giving you 50 lbs..
 
RickyBlobby said:
I would probably TRY... If I felt good. That Viking injectable SD seems like the ****, Mike Arnold said he put on 25 lbs in 27 days (plus he is already a big dude) with NO side effects, and he always got bad sides from oral SD. If gains like that kept rolling in I would be down for the long haul lol. But no dubt they will slow soon, I can't see an 8 week cycle giving you 50 lbs..
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If i felt alright id run it longer than 4 but the way everyone talks about id think that wouldnt be very likely lol
 
Just finished my first Msten cycle. No sides, Keeping most of the weight through pct and body recomp is very good. It wasn’t harsh, I had one night of backpumps and admittedly I was dehydrated that day. Every other day was fine!
 
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