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Mr.50's "look like it but not" Stack Log

Mr.50

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2/7/06


OK guys here goes. I was lucky enough to be selected by the Synergy Muscle guys to be a tester for the new stack. I received my quite interesting package but I was waiting until this morning when I had some blood drawn to begin. Usually I would begin on a Sunday of Monday but I couldn't wait until next week. The bloodwork was done this morning before I had taken any dosages of any compounds. The bloodwork is really comprehensive including all the basics and just about all Endocrine parameters. Currently I am not on any supplements besides some higher dosages then regular of the basic vitamins (nothing to extreme) and Cissus. I will likely drop the Cissus a few days into this stack so as not to confound any results I may have and also to see if the new stack has any ancilliary benefit of keeping the joint pain at bay.

BASIC STATS

31 years old
5'8''
198lbs
13% - 14% bf (Planning to get it tested later this week)
15 years of training with rare breaks (longest was recently a 2 month break)
Mesomorph/Endomorph (easy to gain muscle but also easy to gain fat, in cloths always look pretty athletic but carry fat around mid section that doesn't go away without extreme effort. Poor recovery from exercise and volume tolerance. Overtraining always possible.)

TRAINING HISTORY

When younger my main goals were size and strength. As the years have gone but I have decided that recomp is really more what I am looking for at this stage. Have gone through various training styles and different types of reps, sets, volume, intensity, etc. Decent background in exercise science (B.S. in Exercise Physiology).
Currently main goal is to reduce body fat and maintain or slightly gain lbm. I am competitive in amature boxing (definately getting old for it so it is purely a hobby). So the body recom is my main goal with a focus on exercise performance also. But really this is the beginning of planning for the summer.

BEST RECOMPS SO FAR

Last year lost 28pounds in 6 weeks and ended at 170lbs and 6% lbm.

One time gained 19 lbs in 4 weeks (not too extreme but it was on PH/PS rather then AAS)

DIET

Currently I will be eating a maintenence calorie diet with a plan to revisit the total calories each week. If I start to gain and it is lean I will increase slightly or maintain. If I truely start to lose and it seems like some of it was lbm I will definately increase.
Diet is mainly moderate carbs, with moderate protein and fat as low as possible. I usually use a low carb diet for recomp/fat loss so even the fact that I am now eating carbs and recomping will likely create some different effects. I have not cut on a low fat diet in years. As a matter of fact I have not been on a low fat/high to moderate carb diet in years excapt when I am in "free eating" mode (periodically when motivation drops, luckily not to often). Basically just decided I need to have the carbs because my recovery and exercise performance really suffers.

SUPPLEMENT/AAS HISTORY

Over the years I have used just about every supplement I could possibly get my hands on. I have also used some items that you might purchase through a friend. At different times in my exercise "career" over the years I have been pretty ripped (at least single digits bf) at weights as low as 155lbs and as high as 220lbm. I have pretty much experienced both extremes and I think I have very good insight into what works and doesn't for my body. Also I am very sensitive to changes in my body so many of the reactions to this stack you hear from me may not be as pronounced for most of you.
Haven't used any PH/PS or AAS since August. After that I went through extensive PCT and am sure I have been fully recovered for a while.


WORKOUT

Boxing training 4-5 days pers week for approximately 12 rounnds each workout (36min on/47minutes total workout) Abs and core strength exercises 4 times per week.

Strength training each body part 1 time per week. I know this seems very infrequent but for me with all of the boxing training I seem to get best results in strength and recovery from infrequent, intense weith training sessions. 9-12 sets per body part, 8-12 rep range (I usually follow a periodization model so this is roughly a hypertrophy phase). This is my third full week back in the gym after an extensive layoff due to a brachialis injury on my left arm and some other problems.

TODAY:

I took my full dosages of each of the supplements just as outlined in the "How to dose" thread. 3 of each cap morning, pre workout, and night. 7.5 grms of white powder in the morning and after workout.

As far as today goes I did not notice anything. (not surprising since it was not even a full day "on").

I will try to make daily updates. Weekends are rough because I ususally spend them at my girl's house and I don't have high speed computer access. Please let me know what you guys want to hear about, what you want me to look out for.

Also suggestions are welcome.



Mr.50
 
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Exactly what I meant. Sorry about that.



Corrected now.


rippedforce63 said:
I though it was 7.5 grams of powder, unless you meant you took 1.5 teaspoons of it.
 
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So today is day two and I took only my morning doses so far. I have to say that both Yesterday and Today I feel really sleepy. I mean like I could just nod off at anytime.

I haven't slept well the last two nights so maybe that is all it is but I will keep an eye on this. Anyway (of course) so far nothing else.

Mr.50
 
Thanks for loggin bro. Subscribed
 
Are you dosing on an empty stomach?
 
Another brief update. I also noticed this yesterday and forgot to mention it in the initial post. It just happened again.

Not to be gross but.....
I went to take a piss and I have to say it smelled strange. Not like the maple syrup smell you get when on tons of Fenugreek, and not like vitamins, but just an unusual smell. No worse then usual urine but still strange.
 
My first dose in the morning is on an empty stomach. I wake up and take everything, then showed and then come down and eat my oatmeal with protein powder in it.

The preworkout dosage is not right after a meal or right before but about an hour or two after my afternoon snack, THen I work out. Go home. And the first thing I do is take my powder and then prepare some food. Eat a small meal. Go shower. Wait a while, do some **** around the house, and eat another small meal around 8pm. Then before bed at 11pm I take my last serving of pills.

D@USP let me know if this is the right way of doing it or if I should change it up? Thanks.

Mr.50
bpmartyr said:
Are you dosing on an empty stomach?
 
Mr.50 said:
My first dose in the morning is on an empty stomach. I wake up and take everything, then showed and then come down and eat my oatmeal with protein powder in it.

The preworkout dosage is not right after a meal or right before but about an hour or two after my afternoon snack, THen I work out. Go home. And the first thing I do is take my powder and then prepare some food. Eat a small meal. Go shower. Wait a while, do some **** around the house, and eat another small meal around 8pm. Then before bed at 11pm I take my last serving of pills.

D@USP let me know if this is the right way of doing it or if I should change it up? Thanks.

Mr.50

good posting right there. I was kind of wondering the same thing as far as timing goes. For pre-WO/, what are we lookin at here? 15 min, 30? 45 minutes? Just curious. Also, can I mix the powder w/ my protein shake?
 
i would take it about 1 hr. pre-workout, and make sure to take everything w/ 16oz of water- it will eliminate the sides (headaches) you guys were talking about- everything else looks good!!!

ps yes you can mix powder w/ protein shake
 
Mr.50 said:
Another brief update. I also noticed this yesterday and forgot to mention it in the initial post. It just happened again.

Not to be gross but.....
I went to take a piss and I have to say it smelled strange. Not like the maple syrup smell you get when on tons of Fenugreek, and not like vitamins, but just an unusual smell. No worse then usual urine but still strange.

smell is from one of the compounds- just drink some extra water (will dilute) and you will be fine ;)
 
I am definately going to increase my liquid/water intake.

I have only been takeing the preworkout dosage about 15-20 min before workout so today I will make it one hour before.

Mr.50

Yjyankee said:
good posting right there. I was kind of wondering the same thing as far as timing goes. For pre-WO/, what are we lookin at here? 15 min, 30? 45 minutes? Just curious. Also, can I mix the powder w/ my protein shake?
 
D@USP,

I was wondering if dosage should be exactly the same on non work out days? So for example when should the Powder be taken?

As far as updates go, not much to note today except a feeling of fullness across Chest and Shoulders, Chest was worked out on Monday and Shoulders worked out on Tuesday. Yesterday was just a boxing workout day.

Mr.50
 
Another brief update.

USP I am really wondering if any of these supplements has a profound cell volumizing effect or affects fluid balance significantly because I got on the scale today before working out and I was 201.5 lbs. Today was only the third full day on the stack so the only thing I could think of that could cause a 3.5 pound increase in weight in 3 days was a shift in fluid balance/retention. I feel really full across the chest and shoulders. Tomorrow is a back workout and no cardio/boxing (maybe a little low intensity). Also I will take a healthy doseage of fiber tonight just to make sure the weight is not retained food by products in the intestine.

Strength wise I felt pretty good today also.

Abs look about the same or slightly leaner, but about the same.

Mr.50
 
Mr.50 said:
Another brief update.

USP I am really wondering if any of these supplements has a profound cell volumizing effect or affects fluid balance significantly because I got on the scale today before working out and I was 201.5 lbs. Today was only the third full day on the stack so the only thing I could think of that could cause a 3.5 pound increase in weight in 3 days was a shift in fluid balance/retention. I feel really full across the chest and shoulders. Tomorrow is a back workout and no cardio/boxing (maybe a little low intensity). Also I will take a healthy doseage of fiber tonight just to make sure the weight is not retained food by products in the intestine.

Strength wise I felt pretty good today also.

Abs look about the same or slightly leaner, but about the same.

Mr.50

D is the expert on this stack but what you describe is exactly what he told me the users would feel...great!
 
USPLabs said:
D is the expert on this stack but what you describe is exactly what he told me the users would feel...great!

yes! the key to the stack is intracellular (NOT edema) water and glycogen retention, which is a powerful non-hormonal trigger for anabolism/nitrogen retention, which in turn leads to increased protein synthesis, leading to increased muscle mass. w/o going into specifics (i will do that later), the synergistic environment created by the products in the stack maximizes each product to its fullest, whereas while taking each product individually will produce slight gains (A (product by itself) equals C (small amount of results), our specific product blend produces synergism, or A squared + B squared= C squared.

more on this later!!! glad to see you are getting results!!
 
It is really quite noticable for me so far. I really don't know if it is noticable to anyone else yet. I doubt it but I feel really full across the chest shoulders. I am about to go to the gym now for a back workout so that will be really interesting since my back usually gets the greatest pumps and growth anyway.

Also only negative I can say I am experiencing right now is some digestive problems. I feel pretty bloated and am having some problems in the bathroom (not to be too graphic, but it is sort of like what is experienced with creatine for some)

Also my abs look a bit leaner today but my pants actually fee a bit tighter. I wonder if I am getting a volumizing effect in the abdominal muscles which is causing the pants to tighten but still losing a little Sub-Q fat so they still look slightly better?
D@USP LABS said:
yes! the key to the stack is intracellular (NOT edema) water and glycogen retention, which is a powerful non-hormonal trigger for anabolism/nitrogen retention, which in turn leads to increased protein synthesis, leading to increased muscle mass. w/o going into specifics (i will do that later), the synergistic environment created by the products in the stack maximizes each product to its fullest, whereas while taking each product individually will produce slight gains (A (product by itself) equals C (small amount of results), our specific product blend produces synergism, or A squared + B squared= C squared.

more on this later!!! glad to see you are getting results!!
 
Mr.50 said:
It is really quite noticable for me so far. I really don't know if it is noticable to anyone else yet. I doubt it but I feel really full across the chest shoulders. I am about to go to the gym now for a back workout so that will be really interesting since my back usually gets the greatest pumps and growth anyway.

Also only negative I can say I am experiencing right now is some digestive problems. I feel pretty bloated and am having some problems in the bathroom (not to be too graphic, but it is sort of like what is experienced with creatine for some)

Also my abs look a bit leaner today but my pants actually fee a bit tighter. I wonder if I am getting a volumizing effect in the abdominal muscles which is causing the pants to tighten but still losing a little Sub-Q fat so they still look slightly better?

As for the powder, Mix it with beverage of choice and microwiave it for 30-40 seconds and stir vigorously..stomach issues will disappear.
 
Wow that is great to hear. So microwaving will not affect the compound?

As another update. I just walked into my office after my back workout and I have to say that so far I am truely impressed. I was at the gym and I really did feel like I was 4 days into an PH/PS/AAS type of stack rather then non hormonal.

My back pump was huge. I felt really full and some skin tightness. Also strength was pretty good and endurance, felt like I wasn't even really working out either. No real fatigue.

Also got on the scale and I was 202lbs today so that is 4 pounds up on my fourth full day and this is supposed to be a recomp rather then a bulker!!!!!

I am sure it will not continue to progress at this pace but getting this type of fullness and response is great in only a few days. Now if the microwave will fix the stomach problems it will be phenominal becasue I wil have the upper body fullness without the lower abdominal/intestinal bloat.

Mr.50
USPLabs said:
As for the powder, Mix it with beverage of choice and microwiave it for 30-40 seconds and stir vigorously..stomach issues will disappear.
 
Mr.50 said:
Wow that is great to hear. So microwaving will not affect the compound?

As another update. I just walked into my office after my back workout and I have to say that so far I am truely impressed. I was at the gym and I really did feel like I was 4 days into an PH/PS/AAS type of stack rather then non hormonal.

My back pump was huge. I felt really full and some skin tightness. Also strength was pretty good and endurance, felt like I wasn't even really working out either. No real fatigue.

Also got on the scale and I was 202lbs today so that is 4 pounds up on my fourth full day and this is supposed to be a recomp rather then a bulker!!!!!

I am sure it will not continue to progress at this pace but getting this type of fullness and response is great in only a few days. Now if the microwave will fix the stomach problems it will be phenominal becasue I wil have the upper body fullness without the lower abdominal/intestinal bloat.

Mr.50

30 seconds and you are good to go!
 
Mr.50 said:
Wow that is great to hear. So microwaving will not affect the compound?

As another update. I just walked into my office after my back workout and I have to say that so far I am truely impressed. I was at the gym and I really did feel like I was 4 days into an PH/PS/AAS type of stack rather then non hormonal.

My back pump was huge. I felt really full and some skin tightness. Also strength was pretty good and endurance, felt like I wasn't even really working out either. No real fatigue.

Also got on the scale and I was 202lbs today so that is 4 pounds up on my fourth full day and this is supposed to be a recomp rather then a bulker!!!!!

I am sure it will not continue to progress at this pace but getting this type of fullness and response is great in only a few days. Now if the microwave will fix the stomach problems it will be phenominal becasue I wil have the upper body fullness without the lower abdominal/intestinal bloat.

Mr.50

Something that i noticed with Powerfull was that even at times when diet was below maintence(busy at work) and not really focusing on getting enouph calories. My weight stayed the same and bodyfat lowered...so go figure.

MY advice is not to take powerfull and forget about diet, but when diet is on parr, Powerfull does its job very well!
 
So are you confirming that one of the compounds is Powerfull? Most people have guessed. Interesting because I have used Powerfull with good results but the first four day was not like these first four days.

USPLabs said:
Something that i noticed with Powerfull was that even at times when diet was below maintence(busy at work) and not really focusing on getting enouph calories. My weight stayed the same and bodyfat lowered...so go figure.

MY advice is not to take powerfull and forget about diet, but when diet is on parr, Powerfull does its job very well!
 
PowerFULL, Symmetry, and I will let D reveal the powder but its basically luecine with some other stuff:}
 
Ok guys. So today was the seventh full day I have been on this stack. I got on the scale today before my second chest workout and I weighed in at 203lbs. So that is a gain of 5 pounds in 1 week. Now remember the initial phase of this is a volumizing effect so that is not as unbelievable as it sounds for a non hormonal stack. We will see if it continues.

Strength was up today also for second chest workout since being on. For example 3 sets of dumbell bench press at 90 pounds for 8 today instead of 6 last week. So an increase of 2 reps per set. Not bad for one week. Also I am sure strength increases would be greater if not for the volume of arm activity during all of my boxing workouts.

Also libido is up nicely. Not like on PP or Ergomax but still noticibly increased.

An interesting point to note is that it also appeard that for this first week I have not been taking nearly enough of the mysterious powder because of an abbreviation error on the dosing scheme. Instead of 1.5 teaspoons it was supposed to be 1.5 tablespoons 2 times per day. We will see if this leads to even greater results.


Mr.50
 
Mr.50 said:
Blood test results for pre stack blood work. Not great but not bad. Any advice is appreciated.

Mr.50

I see that your test numbers are slightly low. I think you'll see a substantial increase from Powerfull.

In September, My total test was 475. I started HRT with low dosage test cream in hopes of bring my total test to 900 within 6 months. During October, I started a 10 week cycle of Powerfull. The first week in January I tested at 1711.

Of course my results are inconclusive because of the HRT, but my doctor shook his head when he saw the results.
 
Really interesting. I am curious buecause over the years I have had various different blood results for Test with some really serious fluctuations over the course of even one day. I will try to find the old clood work and post it here also (or possibly another thread so as not to get off track). The gist though is that last year at this time I had a total test of 684 so I am a bit concerned.

Mr.50

colkurtz_spf said:
I see that your test numbers are slightly low. I think you'll see a substantial increase from Powerfull.

In September, My total test was 475. I started HRT with low dosage test cream in hopes of bring my total test to 900 within 6 months. During October, I started a 10 week cycle of Powerfull. The first week in January I tested at 1711.

Of course my results are inconclusive because of the HRT, but my doctor shook his head when he saw the results.
 
Mr.50 said:
Really interesting. I am curious buecause over the years I have had various different blood results for Test with some really serious fluctuations over the course of even one day. I will try to find the old clood work and post it here also (or possibly another thread so as not to get off track). The gist though is that last year at this time I had a total test of 684 so I am a bit concerned.

Mr.50

I've also had radical fluctuations in test levels. Many factors to consider: Time of day, lack of sleep, illness, proximity to last cycle, diet, stress etc. After one test my doctor asked me if I was having trouble with my sex life. I said no, but his question stuck in my head, and so I scheduled another test a month later, and the number had doubled - without any therapy or supplements.
 
I know it is quite scary and bizzaro.

Mr.50

P.S. The good news is that as you predicted my sex drive is quite enhanced 1 week into my stack.


colkurtz_spf said:
I've also had radical fluctuations in test levels. Many factors to consider: Time of day, lack of sleep, illness, proximity to last cycle, diet, stress etc. After one test my doctor asked me if I was having trouble with my sex life. I said no, but his question stuck in my head, and so I scheduled another test a month later, and the number had doubled - without any therapy or supplements.
 
Ok good news is strength went up on lifts for shoulders also today.

Bad news, my weight was back down to 199lbs today. Don't know if I was dehydrated, etc. Of course daily weight measurements are notoriously unreliable but I would rather update people and then we can look at the overall trend at the end of the stack.

Also endurance was really bad today for boxing. At least my RPE was bad. Some of the guys I work out with said that it seemed like I was going at a really good pace but I sure felt tired.
 
Test levels are supposed to peak around 8 am and drop lower in the afternoon around 4 or 5, I believe. Try getting bloodwork around 8 am if this is possible. Of course, as Colkurtz said other factors effect levels, too.

Keep up the good work with the thread 50.
 
Thanks Jas. Unfortunately this test was around 8am :( So we'll see what is going on.

jas123 said:
Test levels are supposed to peak around 8 am and drop lower in the afternoon around 4 or 5, I believe. Try getting bloodwork around 8 am if this is possible. Of course, as Colkurtz said other factors effect levels, too.

Keep up the good work with the thread 50.
 
2/15/06


Well today was just a cardio (boxing) day. I really feel like my endurance is suffering. All the other guys I work out with say that I seem to be going at a great pace during rounds so maybe I am just working at a higher intensity level and that is why I feel fatigued.

Anyway, also my weight is back down to where I started 198 lbs. I do look a bit leaner. Calories are really around maintenence with a breakdown of about 35/50/15 P/CHO/FAT

Strength still feels good and libido is still up.


As a side note, some of you guys may find this gross but I like it, I have been mixing my powder with low sodium V-8. It really hides the taste of the powder and seems to aid solubility somewhat.

Mr.50
 
Nothing really new to report today. I do look leaner and my weight is back up to 201lbs.

Mr.50
 
Abs have leaned out further. I was not at my usual gym today so no further updates on weight until Monday.

Sleep has been great. Better then in a long time. The intestinal problems are improved somewhat but they are still not great.

Fullness is good. Slight pump all the time.


Mr.50
 
Ok strength was way up again today for the third chest workout. 3 sets of flat DB bench press with 100's for 6,5,5 so that is a major improvement in 2 weeks inm my opinion from 90's for 3 sets of 6.

Also weight is pretty much holding steady at 200lbs. So I started at 198lbs and went up to 203lbs and now am at 200lbs. I really don't think, since this is a recomp, it is really accurate to look at total weight gained anyway.

I did have bf measured on Friday so it was late (11 days in) but at any rate it was 12.8 %. I will have it done again after the cycle runs out. Of course that may be a while since if all of the ingredients of the stack are available by then I may just keep running this for a while but also add in the Synergy Fat burning stack for a tru recomp.

Mr.50
 
Lookin good bro! Keep it up.
 
Still going strong. Today was day fifteen on the stack and I have to say that it was the first day I actually felt a bit like I was actually "on" . I think if this stack had a strong psychlogical component to it I would really have felt like I was on. I had that feeling like I could life anything today (shoulders) and I felt so full and pumped in the gym that when I went back to my office I felt like I could barely move because I felt so pumped/tight. Overall abs are starting to show much more and striations are showing a bit in triceps. I have no idea why they are showing since my bf is still relativly high but I guess they are one of my decent genetic body parts.

Weight was 201lbs today so still oscillating around the same range.

Mr.50
 
OK just about to go over on my lunch break for my workout. Looks like a heavy back day.

Yesterday I weighed in again at 201lbs and holding fast. Again my stomach seems leaner. Tuesday will be the beginning of my fourth week. At the end I will be sure to get body fat percentages done again.

Another thing I have noticed is that after taking the mysterious powder I seem to get a pronounced hypoglycemic effect. It is not to severe but I is definately noticable.

Libido is still good. Overall very steady results so far.

Mr.50
 
Just letting you guys know, today was a cardio only day. I got o n the scale and weighed in at 202lbs. Last night I was out and at least three people commented to me that I looked a lot bigger but leaner. And these are people I see all the time so it wasn't like they haven't seem me for weeks.

Anyway I am really getting excited to get my body fat done at the end of this stack. I think you guys may be surprised.

Mr.50
 
Ok guys sorry I was slack about posting the last few days. Work has been hell.

I went to the gym last night and I was 199lbs. My strength was up on every exercise on my shoulder workout and I also have increased volume in my workout and do not feel fatigued.

On the downside my libido seems like it is starting to drop off (this is week four, my last week on the stack).

Also I just received yesterday my replacement "White Powder" from D. (Thanks D)

I am wondering if product development has continued in the last few weeks on this product because the consistency of this version is much smoother, the taste is different and IT MIXES EASILY IN MY DRINK???????

So D, is something really different as far as the ingredients go or.......


Mr.50
 
nah- i just milled down the components of the powder that was causing all the trouble w/ solubility- that causes a BIG difference in how it mixes- final version will be like this;)
 
Huge improvement in both taste and solubility. :)



D@USP LABS said:
nah- i just milled down the components of the powder that was causing all the trouble w/ solubility- that causes a BIG difference in how it mixes- final version will be like this;)
 
Well the new powder is great. It seems to work as well as the first powder but with greatly improved solubility and taste (still not great but easier to deal with). Tomorrow will be my last day on the stack. I am going to get final weight and bf this week. I wish I had the money for post cycle blood work since I have pre cycle blood work but things are a bit tight right now and I have to be able to purchase some more Symetry. Since this turned into a very lean mass builder rather then a true cutter I will take a week off from the supplements and then start a true cutter. I think I am going to retain the assistance of Bobo and also use Powerfull and Symetry with some C2 and C-Amph.

Mr.50
 
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