Mpkonig's Continuing struggle for Fat Loss (Posiedon, X-force and More)

Ahh, I misunderstood you mp. I thought you where going to ADD stim x and HEAT to either stack. Didn't see the 3 stack in the making line. As for which would be best I'd say omitt the Venom special tactics in the tri lean stack and throw heat and stim x into #1 and you'll have a really good stack.
 
prld2gr8ns said:
Ahh, I misunderstood you mp. I thought you where going to ADD stim x and HEAT to either stack. Didn't see the 3 stack in the making line. As for which would be best I'd say omitt the Venom special tactics in the tri lean stack and throw heat and stim x into #1 and you'll have a really good stack.
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ok...so take out venom hd and special tactics and add Stim x and heat.....very good....thank you for the input
 
stim x is AMP plus the thiamide disulfide analoge which probably makes it a little bit stronger.
 
Amp plus Heat is an awesome diet combination. Amp provides nice clean energy, while Heat is good for mild appetite suppression, mental focus and mood enhancement. Combined they exhibit a definite synergistic effect, appetite is very well controlled, with tons of energy and strong mood enhancement. It's my favorite cutting combination that I've tried.
 
prld2gr8ns said:
stim x is AMP plus the thiamide disulfide analoge which probably makes it a little bit stronger.
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ive just been reading about a decent amount of people being very edgy and nervous and paranoid on Stim-x....kinda got me spooked a little.
 
Alright...here is another stack that was recommended my Unlikely Toad:

Yohimbine HCL
Scorch Remix
Thryotabs
MP
Sesathin Liquid
Blaze/blaze extreme
Lean Dreams (i add that in)
 
i Had an Idea....how would replacing Vaporize with Blaze Extreme on Stack 2 do??

Also....with the yohimbine in the Lipoderm ultra.....that is enough and i wouldnt have to supplement with it??? just trying to get how the yohimbine works with Lipoderm ultra in contrast to taking it orally.
 
Either stack you go with will produce results my man. Just figure out which you think you'll like the best and go for it. As for the yohim. LU is a spot specific product primarily for the abdominals and love handle areas for weight loss. Orally, it's systemic meaning it goes every where.

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Day 5

No workout today..was doing house work most of the day and then had to work.

Still feeling the supps working....got another flush from Posiedon today...first noticeable one since Day 1. Felt warm all day today..took everything at once with meals today and it seemed to get me pretty warm.
 
mpkonig said:
Day 5

No workout today..was doing house work most of the day and then had to work.

Still feeling the supps working....got another flush from Posiedon today...first noticeable one since Day 1. Felt warm all day today..took everything at once with meals today and it seemed to get me pretty warm.
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Sounds like a good overall day ;-)

Workin
 
you know....i just realized that you guys from nimbus are Fu**ing awsome..you know your Shi* and you dont seem to mind helping people out....which is definetely the good foundation of a company....i look foward to you guys putting out more and more supps and hopefully me trying them....thanks alot
 
Thanks for the compliments mp, it really means a lot to us when we find out that we actually helped. Be it from our products or just overall advice, we want to see you have the success that we think you can get.
 
mpkonig said:
you know....i just realized that you guys from nimbus are Fu**ing awsome..you know your Shi* and you dont seem to mind helping people out....which is definetely the good foundation of a company....i look foward to you guys putting out more and more supps and hopefully me trying them....thanks alot
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Thanks for the kind words mpkonig. It's our pleasure to help our customers in anyway we can :)

Workin
 
Day 6

Nothing done really...mowed the lawn...broke a water pipe...fixed a water pipe....and went to work.....fun fun
 
Day 7

Ok...today is measurements....here they are with a +/- from start of last week

Weight 280 (-2lbs)

Left Bicep: 18 1/2 (same)
Right Bicep: 19 (same)
Left Forearm: 15 1/2 (+1/2)
Right Forearm: 16 (same)
Left Thigh: 28 (-2)
Right Thigh: 28 1/2 (-1/2)
Left Calf: 19 1/2 (+1/2)
Right Calf: 19 (same)
Chest/back (circ) 53 1/2 (+3/4)
Waist 46 3/4 (-1/4!!)

Welp....just as i suspected....there goes the weight in my legs....so...my suspicions of DCP keeping a decent amount of water on me seems to be true. My legs are starting to lose now which is normally the case with me when dieting..but wasnt happening when on DCP.....But i will definetely use DCP again when its time for a lean bulk :)

well..i was pleasantly suprised with the measurements today, of course with anything, there is a slight margin of error, but for the most part i can see a difference and i double checked my legs and thats exactly what it was. I also had some "wake up activities" if ya know what i mean before i got measured...so that might have displaced some water and skewed the results(which usually skews them to be bigger than they really are)

Im slowly putting together my grand finale stack still..and it looks like from the poll ive posted and from a very reputable source (dsade) that the AMP/HEAT stack is winning at the moment....BUT im still taking suggestions of the BEST Fatloss/Thermo combo....so if anyone else has suggestions...let me know please...post them...PM them...whatever.

Note on posiedon: i had my girlfriend try it one day cause she has been feeling very lethargic (not in very good shape) and so i was like...babe..try this and see if it helps...well...she took about an hour to drink the whole thing...but she noticed increased sensitivity in sensitive parts (nips and nether region) and well....needless to say...i had a very happy afternoon that day :) Thanks workin..i owe it all to you lol:thumbsup:

As for the X-force.....very suttle but clean supp....i need to dose at least 2 or more to have a really noticeable effect...but when taken all together with 3 green tea caps and super cissus and posiedon....seems to get a good thermo kick out of it.

Ive learned this past week also that i cannot take green tea caps on an empty stomach...i have to eat at least 15 to 20 minutes afterwards or i start feeling sick...i can take x-force no prob on an empty stomach and to cardio and be fine...but the green tea is a different story..

thats all to report for now...will post later on about my workouts for today. (HIIT killed me again, had a puddle forming underneath the eliptical :))

Here are the base supps im thinking about again...

Amp/HEAT
AMP/Stizm
Stizm/HEAT
Scorch Remix/Vaporize or Blaze Extreme
Tri-lean system
Tight Hardcore/Blaze Extreme

everything else besides those supps are the same in the stack..so...and like i said...AMP/HEAT seem to be the favorite at the moment.
 
mpkonig said:
Day 7
Note on posiedon: i had my girlfriend try it one day cause she has been feeling very lethargic (not in very good shape) and so i was like...babe..try this and see if it helps...well...she took about an hour to drink the whole thing...but she noticed increased sensitivity in sensitive parts (nips and nether region) and well....needless to say...i had a very happy afternoon that day :) Thanks workin..i owe it all to you lol:thumbsup:

As for the X-force.....very suttle but clean supp....i need to dose at least 2 or more to have a really noticeable effect...but when taken all together with 3 green tea caps and super cissus and posiedon....seems to get a good thermo kick out of it.
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Great log...very detailed! It looks like your starting to make some good progress! Keep it up :thumbsup:

As far as your girlfriends experience on Poseidon...or should I say...well...nevermind ;) I'll just say I'm glad you guys enjoyed yourselves! lol!

Sounds like your giving your all during your HITT training. I know it can be tough, so hang in there! You'll reap excellent benefits from it as you know.

Looking forward to hearing about a strong week from you my friend :) :squat:

Workin
 
yeah..im happy with progress already only after 1 week...its great

hmm..ive been reading about lipoderm ultra..and it seems that if your a fatass(i.e. me) it really doesnt do much for you...so maybe im going to x that out of the stack and just add in some Yohimbine hcl
 
If you can still find it, Avant Labs Absolved would likely be a great addition to your stack. It works great on VAT, or the kind of fat you find beneath your stomach, behind the subcutaneous fat. It works great at very quickly reducing your waistline, no matter how high your bodyfat is.
 
max silver said:
If you can still find it, Avant Labs Absolved would likely be a great addition to your stack. It works great on VAT, or the kind of fat you find beneath your stomach, behind the subcutaneous fat. It works great at very quickly reducing your waistline, no matter how high your bodyfat is.
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hmm....interesting...i take it that has been discontinued??
 
i just searched and havent found much...but found some sort of Avant gel called FL7??? never heard of it...has something to do with fatloss though
 
mpkonig said:
i just searched and havent found much...but found some sort of Avant gel called FL7??? never heard of it...has something to do with fatloss though
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I'm not familiar with FL7. Sesamin works VERY well on those with higher BF. I had a few of my clients of it and they had great results with 1.5-2 x's the recommended dose. /the only side...as I think I mentioned earlier in this thread, is that your muscles will seem flatter. They fill out as soon as you lower the dosage or discontinue use.

Workin
 
mpkonig said:
i just searched and havent found much...but found some sort of Avant gel called FL7??? never heard of it...has something to do with fatloss though
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Ab-solve was 7KETO-DHEA in a transdermal carrier. Us to here a lot about it back a few years ago before they discontinued it. You can still get it, just have to by the bulk powdered from some place and a trans carrier and vola you have your own ab-solve.
 
prld2gr8ns said:
Ab-solve was 7KETO-DHEA in a transdermal carrier. Us to here a lot about it back a few years ago before they discontinued it. You can still get it, just have to by the bulk powdered from some place and a trans carrier and vola you have your own ab-solve.
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The difficult part in making your own ab-solved would be in sourcing the proper transdermal gel for the application. It was a localized gel, if I recall Avant used to sell it as Gel#3, however I don't see it on their website anymore.
 
Good point, I forgot about the localized deleveiry method. If worse came to worse one could always add a little 7Keto to there LU bottle.
 
prld2gr8ns said:
Good point, I forgot about the localized deleveiry method. If worse came to worse one could always add a little 7Keto to there LU bottle.
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That might not work either, as I recall the molecular makeup of 7-keto powder isn't suitable for the carrier in Lipoderm, and thusly the two gels were different. Perhaps we could take this to the Avant subforum to find out more information straight from the source.
 
here is the writeup on that FL7 stuff....maybe you lab guys can make heads or tales of it.


FL7: The Revolution Has Begun
3-Acetyl-7-Oxo DHEA, a safe and natural metabolite of DHEA, is an effective agent in suppressing excessive cortisol production while also stimulating the thermogenic enzymes of the liver, optimizing thyroid function and increasing BMR (basal metabolic rate). 3-Acetyl-7-Oxo DHEA is a powerful tool for inhibiting fat accrual and achieving a favorable body composition. Its strong anti-catabolic properties and cortisol-blunting effect make FL7 an excellent adjunct for anyone wishing to maintain lean mass while dieting, or when cycling off Prohormones. FL7 provides all of 3-Acetyl-7-Oxo DHEA's metabolic benefits via Avent Labs' revolutionary hydroalcoholic gel, making it far more potent than its competitors.

FL7 and Glucocorticoids
Cortisol’s role in the body is often greatly misunderstood in the bodybuilding community. To grasp its role in body composition, one needs to understand glucocorticoid biosynthesis/equilibrium. Glucocorticoids exist in humans in two primary forms, the inactive cortisone and the active (and dreaded) cortisol. These exist in the body, in a constant state of flux back and forth, depending on the enzyme situation.

What is of note is that the two isoenzymes that convert one to the other have vastly differing concentrations in different tissues. For example, in adipose tissue, only the first isomer of 11-beta-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase (11b-HSD1), is found.

11b-HSD1 generally acts as a reductive enzyme, converting Cortisone to Cortisol – it can also act as a dehydrogenase in other tissue, but in human adipose tissue, it is always oxoreductive in the adipose and liver. Increased activity of this enzyme is implicated in some forms of obesity in both animals and humans.

On the other hand, 11b-HSD2 generally acts as a dehydrogenase, converting cortisol to inactive cortisone. It is not particularly important for our purposed, beyond that, so we will go in no more detail.
Keep the above in the back of your mind, as it is going to have a good deal of significance that we will go into later….

So, what is the point of this?? FL7’s magic ingredient, 7-oxo-DHEA, decreases 11b-HSD activity.

Glucocorticoids and Adipose Tissue
So, how is the cortisol factor related to fat loss? Adipogenesis involves differention of preadipocytes into adipocytes. Cortisol inhibits proliferation of preadipocytes, which tips the balance towards differentiation. In other words, cortisol promotes the formation of new fat cells. And, as we know, empty adipose cells make wonderful sponges for tryglecerides. In addition to this, all cells in the body turnover, meaning they die and are replaced. If we inhibit the formation of new fat cells (via inhibiting cortisol activity in the fat cell), given that fat cell death remains constant, we would have ourselves a very modest, on-going liposuction effect.

FL7's Advantages vs. Oral
Why not just take it orally?? There are two primary (and significant) reasons:

Number one is increased bioavailability. You get far more 7-oxo in your system, mg/mg than with oral. I'm sure our gel's reputation for improving the efficacy of steroids versus oral usage (i.e. ONE+. ONE, 4-ADerm) should be all most of you need to know.... well, at least until I get the real data up in a few hours.
Remember when I said to keep the 11b-HSD isoenzyme situation in the back of your mind??? Well, that is the second thing. With oral usage, we suppress 11b-HSD one activity in the liver. This increases dehydrogenase activity in the body, lowering systemic cortisol (good right?? Nope.), which will increase ACTH activity in response, to try to keep cortisol elevated. And, with 11b-HSD1 suppressed, this newly released cortisol gets sent down the cortisone side of the isoenzyme equilibrium.

WTF does this mean??? There will be an increase in systemic corticosterone to serve as substrate for formation of the dreaded cortisol in the oxoreductase-only adipose tissue. Oh, and did I mention that obese people are already prone to this phenomenon because of increased peripheral levels of 11b-hsd1 and 5-alpha reductase (which also deactivates cortisol).

FL7 Supplement Facts
Serving Size 4-9 pumps
Servings Per Container 40-60
Amount Per Serving
3-Acetyl-7-Oxo-Dehydroepiandrosterone 50 mg
FL7 Other Ingredients: Isopropyl Alcohol, Propylene Glycol, Octyl Salicylate, Triglyceride Complex, Water, D-Limonene, Carbomer
 
max silver said:
That might not work either, as I recall the molecular makeup of 7-keto powder isn't suitable for the carrier in Lipoderm, and thusly the two gels were different. Perhaps we could take this to the Avant subforum to find out more information straight from the source.
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Hmm, makes sense as I should of thought of that before. 7keto is a lipophilic compound where as yohm and caffiene are hydrophilic so of course the carrier to dissolve them would have to be different.

mp the basic function of the fl7 seems to be like other anti-cort supps blocking or blunting cort production to decrease adipogenesis.
 
Day 7 Cont.

20 Minutes HIIT cardio at 40/30 split

Today was arms......i love these days.....but i did notice today that i felt really weak...which means im pretty much depleted which is good ......cardio wooped my ass today....puddle of sweat started to form under the eliptical...i love it!!!

Feel warmer today than usual...im wondering if there are parts of this stack that need to build up in your system in order to have full effects?? anyways...all i know is that i sweated like a pig today ........ahh....feels good...
 
mpkonig said:
Day 7 Cont.

20 Minutes HIIT cardio at 40/30 split

Today was arms......i love these days.....but i did notice today that i felt really weak...which means im pretty much depleted which is good ......cardio wooped my ass today....puddle of sweat started to form under the eliptical...i love it!!!

Feel warmer today than usual...im wondering if there are parts of this stack that need to build up in your system in order to have full effects?? anyways...all i know is that i sweated like a pig today ........ahh....feels good...
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So what's the plan now that your completely depleted? Stay that way for a few sessions? Or Carb up for a jump start? :)

Workin
 
workin2005 said:
So what's the plan now that your completely depleted? Stay that way for a few sessions? Or Carb up for a jump start? :)

Workin
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knowing how my body is...i think it would be best to suffer for a few sessions....my body is stubborn :) painfully stubborn
 
mpkonig said:
knowing how my body is...i think it would be best to suffer for a few sessions....my body is stubborn :) painfully stubborn
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I was afraid you'd say that :)...been there, done that, NOT FUN....but it is effective! Be sure your getting a TON of protein and EFA's. A BCAA supp would be very beneficial right now as well.

Be sure your very in tune with your body at this point...your walking a fine line of loosing fat and/or lean muscle mass.

I would only stay depleted for 2 days at the most...then have a healthy carb up meal like:1 cup oatmeal and 1 small sweet Potato. That should begin to replenish your muscles nicely. Do that about every other day and you may find your body's "Sweet zone" or "window" when it can actually burn body fat and build muscle :head:

Keep us updated ;)

Workin
 
Day 8

20 min fasted Mixed cardio (first 10 minutes...slow med fast and back to slow. Second 10 minutes HIIT cardio)

Today was Back and had a very energetic workout....i also did 15 minutes of fast paced cardio after workout.

And what do ya know...its actually sunny and mild in Florida so i actually went out and layed in the sun for about 45 minutes...woohoo....gotta work on that tan :)

Everything is going well....even though im pretty damn depleted....i felt good today....i didnt do full blown HIIT this morning because my legs didnt feel like they were up for it....but its good to take a day off in between to recover and keep your body guessing i guess.
 
Day 9

20 Min Fasted HIIT cardio (40/30)

Today was chest.....everything went well....felt a bit under the weather....for the past 3 to 4 weeks pretty much everyone around me was sick and they all had the same thing...and finally sunday night monday morning i finally started feeling myself coming down with something....today was kinda an Iffy day.....i didnt want to get out of bed this morning...but i felt guilty laying in bed..so i got up and worked my ass off...hehe....hey..whatever works:)

Had another Great flush from posiedon this morning....maybe cause im sick it flushing all the crap out of my body that accumulated overnight....who knows... posiedon is some good stuff though.....

I also upped my dosage of X-force yesterday to 3 caps in the morning and 1 cap in the afternoon.....noticed more of an effect....this is a very clean, feel good stim.
 
There seems to be a bug going around or something because quit a few people around me have been getting sick as well. Hate to hear about the cold mp, Poseidon should help keep it at bay. Just get the proper rest if you feel like and stay on the course.:thumbsup:
 
mpkonig said:
Day 9

20 Min Fasted HIIT cardio (40/30)

Today was chest.....everything went well....felt a bit under the weather....for the past 3 to 4 weeks pretty much everyone around me was sick and they all had the same thing...and finally sunday night monday morning i finally started feeling myself coming down with something....today was kinda an Iffy day.....i didnt want to get out of bed this morning...but i felt guilty laying in bed..so i got up and worked my ass off...hehe....hey..whatever works:)

Had another Great flush from posiedon this morning....maybe cause im sick it flushing all the crap out of my body that accumulated overnight....who knows... posiedon is some good stuff though.....

I also upped my dosage of X-force yesterday to 3 caps in the morning and 1 cap in the afternoon.....noticed more of an effect....this is a very clean, feel good stim.
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There is something going around...especially down here in Florida. Everyone seems to be under the weather. I have been lucky enough to avoid it, but woke up this morning with a scratchy throat...doubling up on Poseidon today ;)

Excellent commitment mpkonig...just be sure you allow yourself to get enough rest so this illness doesn't get the best of you.

Workin
 
mpkonig said:
what kind of increments should i be doing....should i do the lower increments like seconds...or should i do higher ....i just did some HIIT today for my cardio this morning and i tried 15 seconds high..30 seconds low...and it didnt seem like it was doing much cardio wise...so i jumped it to 30 seconds high..30 seconds low and it seemed to work much better....any thoughts would be helpful.

EDIT: Im also doing my cardio on an eliptical...so going really fast is kinda hard without sacrificing form, but i do increase the resistance on my eliptical when i do HIIT just for the extra work it takes.
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a 40/30 split would work quite well I think....give that a shot. Just be honest with yourself about the high points...you should be giving 110% with nothing left to give during those points in the workout...then back off for 30 seconds, catch your breath...and then jump right back into it! It's not easy,as you know, but you'll be glad you made the choice to do it and not compromise! In fact... I applaud you ;-) :clap2: :)

Workin
 
Days 10-13

NOTHING...was sick and felt unmotivated as hell....still took my supps...but just didnt do much...had a hard time eating even 3 meals a day....so...kinda sucks
 
Day 14


20 min HIIT cardio Fasted

Today will be ARMS......i had taken off the last 4 days cause of being sick..i feel much better today even though my cardio is not 100% yet...i struggled a little with the HIIT today.....Lungs and throat dont feel completely normal yet

I Have also recieved my sample pack of LEVIATHAN and will be dosing them today instead of the X-Force to see how these badboys work...ive heard some good things about this product and want to see for myself and maybe run it as my base thermo for my next 4 week stack instead of AMP or X-force. So far...i took 2 Leviathan's about 40 minutes ago and im noticing a nice warmup....which is good...considering ive been taking 3 x-force and probably not getting this strong of a thermo response....so it looking promising so far...the real test for Leviathan is when i take it per workout....i hope it is everything ive read it to be.

Here are my stats...i could only do weight and waist measurements because my girlfriend is being a deuchebag...but honestly...those are the only measurements i care about at the moment. This is cold in the morning without taking a nice dump :) I always seem to go less with a low carb diet (probably due to such high protein content) but for only working out 3 days last week....i was impressed and suprised...here are the stats

Weight 279 (-1lb)
Waist 46 (-3/4)

not bad for only doing 3 days of work...and really only one was full hearted as the other 2 days i was feeling the cold coming on. Also...weight should be lower..like i said..im probably a little backed up (nothing painful) and im planning to do a refeed tomorrow (first one of this 4 weeks) and will be eating a good about of fiber so it should clean me out nicely.
 
mpkonig said:
Day 14


20 min HIIT cardio Fasted

Today will be ARMS......i had taken off the last 4 days cause of being sick..i feel much better today even though my cardio is not 100% yet...i struggled a little with the HIIT today.....Lungs and throat dont feel completely normal yet

I Have also recieved my sample pack of LEVIATHAN and will be dosing them today instead of the X-Force to see how these badboys work...ive heard some good things about this product and want to see for myself and maybe run it as my base thermo for my next 4 week stack instead of AMP or X-force. So far...i took 2 Leviathan's about 40 minutes ago and im noticing a nice warmup....which is good...considering ive been taking 3 x-force and probably not getting this strong of a thermo response....so it looking promising so far...the real test for Leviathan is when i take it per workout....i hope it is everything ive read it to be.

Here are my stats...i could only do weight and waist measurements because my girlfriend is being a deuchebag...but honestly...those are the only measurements i care about at the moment. This is cold in the morning without taking a nice dump :) I always seem to go less with a low carb diet (probably due to such high protein content) but for only working out 3 days last week....i was impressed and suprised...here are the stats

Weight 279 (-1lb)
Waist 46 (-3/4)

not bad for only doing 3 days of work...and really only one was full hearted as the other 2 days i was feeling the cold coming on. Also...weight should be lower..like i said..im probably a little backed up (nothing painful) and im planning to do a refeed tomorrow (first one of this 4 weeks) and will be eating a good about of fiber so it should clean me out nicely.
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Be sure your water intake is adequate during this time as well...should greatly help with...."keeping you regular" :)

Workin
 
workin2005 said:
Be sure your water intake is adequate during this time as well...should greatly help with...."keeping you regular" :)

Workin
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yeah...dont worry about that...i drink like a fish....:) so far i am liking this leviathan......gets me heated up on just 2 pills...i likey alot
 
Day 14 Cont.

Workout was UNBELIEVABLE!!! Whatever they put in that Leviathan.....whoa momma.....i Fargin love it!!! This stuff got me crazy during my workout...extreme focus....energy...and to top it all off...i was in a pretty damn goood mood most of the day (which doesnt happen to often :) )

I hate to say it...but the samples i took just sold me on the product....no doubt about it...i got more response out of those 4 little pills (2x2) than out of alot of other stuff at twice the dosage.....AND it helps build lean mass (or at least helps you keep it) but considering what i have been reading....it helps with upping the weights and size is sure to follow.....wow....good job Palo Alto.....i dont think ive been this excited about a product ever :) None the less....it WILL be taking the place of AMP/X-force in my next stack.....

Only little downfall is that i did have a slight crash after the 2nd set of pills.....probably one of those supps where you have to take 2 in the morning and just one in the afternoon to ease yourself down?? Plus i will be stacking it with HEAT so i will probably only need 1 in the AM and 1 In the PM.
 
mpkonig said:
Day 14 Cont.

Workout was UNBELIEVABLE!!! Whatever they put in that Leviathan.....whoa momma.....i Fargin love it!!! This stuff got me crazy during my workout...extreme focus....energy...and to top it all off...i was in a pretty damn goood mood most of the day (which doesnt happen to often :) )

I hate to say it...but the samples i took just sold me on the product....no doubt about it...i got more response out of those 4 little pills (2x2) than out of alot of other stuff at twice the dosage.....AND it helps build lean mass (or at least helps you keep it) but considering what i have been reading....it helps with upping the weights and size is sure to follow.....wow....good job Palo Alto.....i dont think ive been this excited about a product ever :) None the less....it WILL be taking the place of AMP/X-force in my next stack.....

Only little downfall is that i did have a slight crash after the 2nd set of pills.....probably one of those supps where you have to take 2 in the morning and just one in the afternoon to ease yourself down?? Plus i will be stacking it with HEAT so i will probably only need 1 in the AM and 1 In the PM.
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1 in the AM and 1 in the PM sound like a much better starting point...especially if stacking it with HEAT. I'll be interested to see how these 2 products stack together. I've been a long time fan of HEAT and it looks like Leviathan will make a good addition ;)

Great, detailed log BTW!

Workin
 
Day 15

20 min HIIT cardio

Today was back .....but because i had my refeed today (tuesday) i did my back workout and one set of every other muscle group just to get that nice pump....and i did....felt great...
 
HairyLarry35 said:
Sorry for posting so much and clouding up your log... I just like to comment a lot :-D



Cut and paste from BB.com:

During 10-15 second bursts, there is a very small amount of lactic acid produced and rest periods of 30 seconds to a minute will provide complete recovery of the Adenosine Triphosphate-Creatine Phosphate (ATP-CP) system. During efforts of more than 10-15 seconds, a large amount of lactic acid is produced and such efforts are extremely taxing on both the athlete's muscles and their Central Nervous System (CNS).
HIIT during a Cutting Phase:

* 500 Calories under maintenance daily
* High Protein (40% of total calories)
* Low Carbs (20% of total calories)
* High Fat (40% of total calories)

It has been proven in studies that during a low carbohydrate and high fat diet, the oxidation of fat is increased during exercise, especially cardio such as HIIT (more fat is burned). Additionally, fat is a much more highly concentrated source of energy than carbohydrates.

"A review by Hultman (1995) found that during a diet where carbs are restricted and a lot of fat is consumed, up to 70% of the energy requirement (even during high intensity activities) comes from the oxidation of fat (where during a high carbs diet, such activities would derive 80-90% of the energy from glycogen)." (Thibaudeau)

Sample: 2000 Calories Daily
* 200 Grams of Protein
* 100 Grams of Carbs
* 90 Grams of Fat
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Excellent post, this makes more sense to me now, as i was doing Max-OT style cardio for like 2 weeks now and noticed soem nice fatloss but it was REALLY depleting my glycogen stores to the point that earlier this week my hammer incline press was DOWN 40lbs!! Personally i think i may just stick with the slower, longer duration cardio and up training volume.
 
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