Minor gyno, best way to remove?

[Smolovsquat]

Ive had some minor gyno for a few months.
I think i got it when i used testogel, i had a UG superpotent spray with testo.
I probably used it to Close to My pecs.

Ive since switched to trt dose of test cyp.
It hasnt grown but stayed about the same, not really visible bit there is a small store lump under My right nipple.

I tried some aromasin and nolva but it didnt help.
Is letrozole the next step?

I would really like to stay on My trt dose though.
My hot girlfriend needs My libido intact

 

[Codybenz]

1) you need to start getting bloods drawn and check your estrogen. And then get on some type or AI so you dont do this again.

2) I would try raloxifine.

 

[BloodManor]

Haven’t you posted about this before ?

 

[ValiantThor08]

Ralox

 

[Jinsun]

Ralox at 60mg for 3 months, then drop to 30mg for a couple of months. It might take a year to subside, it might not go away at all.

 

[Smolovsquat]

1) you need to start getting bloods drawn and check your estrogen. And then get on some type or AI so you dont do this again.

2) I would try raloxifine.

I tried both nolva and arimidex but they didnt help.
Ive Read that letrozole is the next step.

 

[Jinsun]

I tried both nolva and arimidex but they didnt help.
Ive Read that letrozole is the next step.

No. Ralox.

 

[KvanH]

I tried both nolva and arimidex but they didnt help.
Ive Read that letrozole is the next step.

You've read wrong.

 

[ValiantThor08]

I tried both nolva and arimidex but they didnt help.
Ive Read that letrozole is the next step.

You may want to have prolactin checked.

 

[Smolovsquat]

Thanks guys, im gonna get some bloods on estrogen,prolactin and testosteron levels.
Then look around for some Rolex, having a watch like that have to make My estrogen go down
Would a Hugo Boss suit help too??

 

[Jinsun]

Thanks guys, im gonna get some bloods on estrogen,prolactin and testosteron levels.
Then look around for some Rolex, having a watch like that have to make My estrogen go down
Would a Hugo Boss suit help too??

Test also for progesterone.

 

[Leakydelts]

The "best" way? Surgery obviously.

You said you "think you have gyno" bro you know if you have it, it's a hard lump of tissue and once it's been there for a while, despite what anyone else will tell you, there is no removing it without surgery.

You're probably super self conscious about it but normies have no fucking clue did they are totally oblivious to this stuff so I wouldn't worry about it, just don't let it get any bigger.

 

[Smolovsquat]

The "best" way? Surgery obviously.

You said you "think you have gyno" bro you know if you have it, it's a hard lump of tissue and once it's been there for a while, despite what anyone else will tell you, there is no removing it without surgery.

You're probably super self conscious about it but normies have no fucking clue did they are totally oblivious to this stuff so I wouldn't worry about it, just don't let it get any bigger.

Yeah its def gyno, like you Said idk really as Long as its not growing.
Its mostly annoying if i get smashed there when training jiu jitsu.

Is rolax the only way to Keep it under control or should i just Keep My estrogen in check with ai's?

Gonna get bloods next week.

 

[Jinsun]

Yeah its def gyno, like you Said idk really as Long as its not growing.
Its mostly annoying if i get smashed there when training jiu jitsu.

Is rolax the only way to Keep it under control or should i just Keep My estrogen in check with ai's?

Gonna get bloods next week.

If it's new gyno, get ralox (not rolax god damn it) and there is a good chance it's going to help.

Regarding estrogen, if you are off cycle, it should naturally be in order. And if you are on ralox there is no need to lower estrogen with Ai's.

 

[RIPDanDuchaine]

how much nolva and aromasin did you try? For how long and at what dosages? Nolva @ around 80mg if really good at reversing gyno, Don't ask me where I got that number, just from another bro who had gyno and got rid of it that way.

get blood work for e2, e1, and progesteron and maybe even prolactin

 

[Jinsun]

how much nolva and aromasin did you try? For how long and at what dosages? Nolva @ around 80mg if really good at reversing gyno, Don't ask me where I got that number, just from another bro who had gyno and got rid of it that way.

get blood work for e2, e1, and progesteron and maybe even prolactin

Don't ask bc it's nonsense ... Saturation is going to happen way before 80mg. You're just asking for sides at that dose. Masochistic.

 

[RIPDanDuchaine]

Don't ask bc it's nonsense ... Saturation is going to happen way before 80mg. You're just asking for sides at that dose. Masochistic.

You can do Nolvadex at very high doses with no problems. Here's an old thread about gyno at bb.com. It has answers from an actual gyno surgeon.

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[Smolovsquat]

I dont really remember how Long i tried nolva.
But i Still have some at home along with aromasin.

Ive had the lump for a few months now, im on a trt dose of test.
I will not get off unless i really really need to.

 

[Jinsun]

You can do Nolvadex at very high doses with no problems. Here's an old thread about gyno at bb.com. It has answers from an actual gyno surgeon.

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Not saying you can't do it. I'm saying that cost/benefit at 80mg is way unbalanced and unnecessary as receptor serm saturation will happen before 80mg.

 

[KvanH]

Yeah I've never seen anyone going that high with Nolva. And I think it's more about the duration than high dosing when it comes to gyno reversal. 40 mg should be plenty to start with and dropping to 20 mg for longer duration. It may take many months tho and may not decrease enough for your liking no matter how long taking the serm. Raloxifene has the highest binding affinity to breast tissue out of all serms and thus is the best serm for gyno protection and if trying to decrease gyno. It also has less sides than Nolva.

 

[KvanH]

You can do Nolvadex at very high doses with no problems. Here's an old thread about gyno at bb.com. It has answers from an actual gyno surgeon.

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I've read through this particular bb.com thread at some point and if I remember correctly the gyno surgeon's take on it was basically that you can't treat gyno in other ways than surgery. But some other posters told that they have gotten rid off/decreased the gyno enough to it not bother them without surgery.

 

[Jinsun]

Yes, all of this has been discussed adnauseum ... I wish people would use the search function more.

 

[KvanH]

Yes, all of this has been discussed adnauseum ... I wish people would use the search function more.

True. And same goes for a few other topics.

 

[Smolovsquat]

I've read through this particular bb.com thread at some point and if I remember correctly the gyno surgeon's take on it was basically that you can't treat gyno in other ways than surgery. But some other posters told that they have gotten rid off/decreased the gyno enough to it not bother them without surgery.

To be fair, a surgeon would try to sell you surgery for THE common cold of they would make a buck or shekel.

 

[KvanH]

To be fair, a surgeon would try to sell you surgery for THE common cold of they would make a buck or shekel.

Yes, exactly my point also.

 

[RIPDanDuchaine]

Well, the surgeon was a surgeon, he wasn't an endocrinologist. So, his solution for gyno was surgery. An endo might recommend other therapies like SERMS/AIs or Andractim (topical DHT) if you can get it.

 

[KvanH]

Well, the surgeon was a surgeon, he wasn't an endocrinologist. So, his solution for gyno was surgery. An endo might recommend other therapies like SERMS/AIs or Andractim (topical DHT) if you can get it.

True. But the fact that a gyno surgeon was taking a part on the discussion on how to get rid of gyno, didn't really add much value, due to mentioned reasons.

 

[RIPDanDuchaine]

True. But the fact that a gyno surgeon was taking a part on the discussion on how to get rid of gyno, didn't really add much value, due to mentioned reasons.

Well, I mean, some people just have to have surgery. There's no other way to get rid of the gyno. If milk ducts have formed under the nipple and it's become shaped like a breast, there's really nothing you can do other than surgically remove all that.

 

[KvanH]

Well, I mean, some people just have to have surgery. There's other way to get rid of the gyno. If milk ducts have formed under the nipple and it's become shaped like a breast, there's really nothing you can do other than surgically remove all that.

Absolutely. And sometimes you just can't decreased it enough for your liking with drugs. How ever it came about.

 

[Renew1]

To be fair, a surgeon would try to sell you surgery for THE common cold of they would make a buck or shekel.

Some (perhaps a LOT) of gyno can't be successfully reduced (and KEPT reduced) by means other than surgery.

That's a ROUGH truth, but it's true.

What Jinsun was saying about all of this being discussed more times than we can remember is true.

That isn't a complaint on my part.
It's just that even all of these comments have all been made before.

So when a (well-meaning) newer guy comes up with what he believes (or hopes) to be a revelation, the answer has already been discussed, lived, and read (in papers, and on boards).

This isn't one of my favorite topics, simply because many times, there just isn't an easy answer without surgery.

And generally with our group, it is much more complicated, because we hope to continue to add external hormones to our bodies, which almost always will make whatever gyno we already have, try to grow.

One of the most positive things I can point to is the comment above, that most regular people wouldn't even recognize smaller gyno when they saw it.

 

[RIPDanDuchaine]

What Jinsun was saying about all of this being discussed more times than we can remember is true.

I mean, that's fair, I'm sure that this topic has been discussed endless times, but what topic hasn't?

 

[KvanH]

I mean, that's fair, I'm sure that this topic has been discussed endless times, but what topic hasn't?

People should use the search function is the point. We are basically parroting things that are said here multiple times already. Many other topics have way more variables and thus an accurate answer to the topic can't be found with out giving specifics and having some discussion. IMO.

 

[Renew1]

I mean, that's fair, I'm sure that this topic has been discussed endless times, but what topic hasn't?

Again, as I stated .... I wasn't complaining.
(Did you read that part?)

I was more trying to explain that when (newer guys especially) come up with "New" revelations that they believe will solve everything, and they're told ... No, that doesn't work... It's because this is a rehash, so don't try to hold onto what you believe to be a great new idea .... That isn't.

 

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Ralox - 120mg ed
Exemestane - 12.5mg eod
*One should follow this protocol until lumps have subsided. At which point the Ralox dose should be reduced to 60mg ed and continued for another 4 weeks, and exemestane should be continued at 12.5mg eod for another 6 weeks. Continuing the exemestane for 2 weeks after discontinuing the Ralox helps prevent rebound.