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Milk Thistle and pct???

steppinRazor

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What's up guys, This maybe in the wrong forum,
forgive me I'm kinda new to this..
Anyways I'm finishing up an 8 week cycle from 2 LLL products. First 4 weeks was epi cynodrone, the following 4 weeks with epi cynodrone and another ph called super nova. Ill admit I had noooo ideaa what I was getting into when starting these products, and the *******s at complete craptrition assured me these were completely harmless.
About 6 weeks in I started noticing some neg. Side effects, muscle cramping, sleeplessness and decreased libido..
This led me to a little more indepth research on ph's and its very apparent I should be taking support now that I realize this methylated garbage can be pretty harmfull.

I was just laid off work so money is now an issue, I sought out my pct away from comp. Ntrtn for that reason and cuz I think those guys and the ppl who own it are douche bags....
wrapping this all up...... I still need support so I just bought a bottle of 200 mg tabs of milk thistle extract. Should I start these with the few days I have left on my cycle or as soon as I start my pct? How many and when should I take them? Is this even that effective?? Is there any truth to losing gains from this stuff?

Thanks in advance, I appologize for my ignorance I'm new to the whole scene Only been lifting about 8 months..
Stats
26yrs
6'
177 lbs Around Ten of those lbs gained in the last 3 weeks or so
 
steppinRazor said:
What's up guys, This maybe in the wrong forum,
forgive me I'm kinda new to this..
Anyways I'm finishing up an 8 week cycle from 2 LLL products. First 4 weeks was epi cynodrone, the following 4 weeks with epi cynodrone and another ph called super nova. Ill admit I had noooo ideaa what I was getting into when starting these products, and the *******s at complete craptrition assured me these were completely harmless.
About 6 weeks in I started noticing some neg. Side effects, muscle cramping, sleeplessness and decreased libido..
This led me to a little more indepth research on ph's and its very apparent I should be taking support now that I realize this methylated garbage can be pretty harmfull.

I was just laid off work so money is now an issue, I sought out my pct away from comp. Ntrtn for that reason and cuz I think those guys and the ppl who own it are douche bags....
wrapping this all up...... I still need support so I just bought a bottle of 200 mg tabs of milk thistle extract. Should I start these with the few days I have left on my cycle or as soon as I start my pct? How many and when should I take them? Is this even that effective?? Is there any truth to losing gains from this stuff?

Thanks in advance, I appologize for my ignorance I'm new to the whole scene Only been lifting about 8 months..
Stats
26yrs
6'
177 lbs Around Ten of those lbs gained in the last 3 weeks or so
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What do you have planned for you PCT? Besides the milk thistle.....
 
for PCT just use Nolvadex or Revolution PCT by Redefine Nutrition, heard that's pretty good for your POST Cycle PCT
 
liftsalot said:
What do you have planned for you PCT? Besides the milk thistle.....
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Some pct by a company called anabolic xtreme. Was pretty cheap only paid 25 for it..

Get this, at complete ntrtn they gave me a card for 30% off a pct product. I went in and asked if I could just buy the pct and not the whole stack they have lined up with it.. they told me no, id have to at least buy a test booster with it but they would give me this "great deal" buy one get one half offf. So it would end up being 150. I mentioned the card and the guy says "yeah well it'll still be about 150. Didn't even waste my time arguing. Turned around and walked out . **** that place.

Anyways, yeah, so how much of this milk thistle would you recomend? And should this just be run during pct?

I tried researching on this forum but the only thread coming up was talking about milk thistle negatively effecting gains while on a ph cycle.(not sure whether to believe that) Nothing about its benefits and suggested doses.

Thanks
 
steppinRazor said:
Some pct by a company called anabolic xtreme. Was pretty cheap only paid 25 for it..

Get this, at complete ntrtn they gave me a card for 30% off a pct product. I went in and asked if I could just buy the pct and not the whole stack they have lined up with it.. they told me no, id have to at least buy a test booster with it but they would give me this "great deal" buy one get one half offf. So it would end up being 150. I mentioned the card and the guy says "yeah well it'll still be about 150. Didn't even waste my time arguing. Turned around and walked out . **** that place.

Anyways, yeah, so how much of this milk thistle would you recomend? And should this just be run during pct?

I tried researching on this forum but the only thread coming up was talking about milk thistle negatively effecting gains while on a ph cycle.(not sure whether to believe that) Nothing about its benefits and suggested doses.

Thanks
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I think it affected my gains just slightly, I still gained 15lbs from my PH cycle, but I was taking about 6 pills a day each pill had:

Milk Thistle Extract 500mg (80% Silymarin) made by Nature's Science and that was the recommended dosage on the bottle, If I only took half the dosage i won't what it would have done for me lol might have jumped 20+ lbs
 
Lol well that might be high but a guy at GNC was taking Finaflex 550XD and after his cycle he had liver issues but I just finished mines and haven't seen much.... Might just want to double check the dosages but my bottle just stated that so I took it... It does say this:

1 to 2 pills... Three times daily so if you took 1500mg you should be good too
 
steppinRazor said:
Some pct by a company called anabolic xtreme. Was pretty cheap only paid 25 for it..

Get this, at complete ntrtn they gave me a card for 30% off a pct product. I went in and asked if I could just buy the pct and not the whole stack they have lined up with it.. they told me no, id have to at least buy a test booster with it but they would give me this "great deal" buy one get one half offf. So it would end up being 150. I mentioned the card and the guy says "yeah well it'll still be about 150. Didn't even waste my time arguing. Turned around and walked out . **** that place.

Anyways, yeah, so how much of this milk thistle would you recomend? And should this just be run during pct?

I tried researching on this forum but the only thread coming up was talking about milk thistle negatively effecting gains while on a ph cycle.(not sure whether to believe that) Nothing about its benefits and suggested doses.

Thanks
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How long do you have before you start your PCT or have you started it already? Milk thistle doses dont have to be that high to be effective as long as you have a quality milk thistle 80% silymarin or better i would say 3 a day would be sufficent. If you are still on cycle i would not take them with the ph at the same time cause that can hinder absortion of the ph, try to space it out about 4 hours.Milk thistle is actually is a must to me when im taking a methalated product i prefer cycle assist cause it has alot of other ingerdients as well to help with blood preasue and high colesteral as well. As far as PCT i reserched those products and the Epi-Cynodrone is a havoc clone very stong these are both methalated compounds and me personally i would not have run them together i know you didnt know but yes you should have been on some strong supporting supplements on this cycle. And for PCT with a cycle like this a SERM (nolvadex, clomid ect) would be a must! If you dont know what a SERM is or were to get one get on google and start doing some reserch and looking for some cause you will need it.
 
I'm starting post cycle on Saturday, and thanks for the heads on the milk thistle, looks like I got some decent stuff its 80% silymarin.

So a serm is a must?? My post cycle therapy product won't be good enough?
I know a guy who has some stuff he claims its a med for breast cancer says it helps with any problems you might have with your nuts.. idunno. Is that basically what nolvadex is?
 
steppinRazor said:
I'm starting post cycle on Saturday, and thanks for the heads on the milk thistle, looks like I got some decent stuff its 80% silymarin.

So a serm is a must?? My post cycle therapy product won't be good enough?
I know a guy who has some stuff he claims its a med for breast cancer says it helps with any problems you might have with your nuts.. idunno. Is that basically what nolvadex is?
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Yes sounds like you have some good milk thistle thats a good start but no your PCT will not be good enough, after being on a ph your body shuts down its own production and the only thing your body has to produce is estogen and lots of it. So you need a way to kickstart your bodys own natural production again and keep your estogen levels in check. If you cant get ahold of a serm then you need to at least get a good AI (aromatase inhibitor) like Inhibit-E or shocker nutrition TS2 you find eiather one pretty cheap and a good test booster like Driven sports activate extreme. The SERM would be cheaper if you can find it. PM me later, i dont know for sure if i would trust the stuff your friend has unless hes sure its nolvadex or a generic version of it. If you can afford to you might also want to go the Dr and get some blood work done to check liver values. 8 weeks is too long on any cycle especially without supporting supps, 6 weeks should be max with any methalated product and i ussally wont go over 5 weeks to be honest. :run:
 
liftsalot said:
Yes sounds like you have some good milk thistle thats a good start but no your PCT will not be good enough, after being on a ph your body shuts down its own production and the only thing your body has to produce is estogen and lots of it. So you need a way to kickstart your bodys own natural production again and keep your estogen levels in check. If you cant get ahold of a serm then you need to at least get a good AI (aromatase inhibitor) like Inhibit-E or shocker nutrition TS2 you find eiather one pretty cheap and a good test booster like Driven sports activate extreme. The SERM would be cheaper if you can find it. PM me later, i dont know for sure if i would trust the stuff your friend has unless hes sure its nolvadex or a generic version of it. If you can afford to you might also want to go the Dr and get some blood work done to check liver values. 8 weeks is too long on any cycle especially without supporting supps, 6 weeks should be max with any methalated product and i ussally wont go over 5 weeks to be honest. :run:
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Well god damn. I'm a bit confused I guess,isn't a pct suppose to block estrogen? Couple that with a test booster and I should be in the clear?
God damn I feel like I have no idea what I've got myself into lol..
 
steppinRazor said:
Well god damn. I'm a bit confused I guess,isn't a pct suppose to block estrogen? Couple that with a test booster and I should be in the clear?
God damn I feel like I have no idea what I've got myself into lol..
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Technically yes that's what a pct is suppost to do is block estrogen but your body needs a strong prescription grade estrogen blocker after a cycle like that or u could find yourself with some problems that might not even show up right away that's a pretty strong cycle u are on not a beginners cycle for sure those people u bought it from should have told you more about it besides just trying to make a quick buck off you.
 
Hey steppinrazor, I just wanted to throw out som other choices that are popular and effective. Sustain Alpha has one of the best Resveratrols available and acts like a natural serm, regulating estrogen. TCF-1 wich is highly absorbable Daa, will expedite test production. Toco 8 will help achieve healthy cholesterol levels and make the testes more sensitive to LH. Endoamp Max will help control cortisol levels.
 
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