Mild PH with minimal liver toxicity for a mid 30s former bodybuilder?

[Smont]

Not to hijack the thread but I thought it'd be useful.

Rank These PH on side effects and results
1 DHEA
3 DHEA
4 DHEA
7 DHEA
11 DHEA

I think I ranked them numerically but also the lower the # the better the mass gains right? and the higher the # the better for fatloss/cutting?

But sides/PCT required. How do they rank?

Personal opinions based off of my and ppls i know results.

1 is probably the "strongest" with the most potiential for sides.

3 is fairly weak on its own but a good stacker with minimal sides.

4 is just kinda a "test base" its gonna help put size on a bit and you may run into estrogen sides

7 is not hormonal, its a supplement more then a anabolic

11 is probably best on a cut

 

[Stacks1]

Personal opinions based off of my and ppls i know results.

1 is probably the "strongest" with the most potiential for sides.

3 is fairly weak on its own but a good stacker with minimal sides.

4 is just kinda a "test base" its gonna help put size on a bit and you may run into estrogen sides

7 is not hormonal, its a supplement more then a anabolic

11 is probably best on a cut

This is pretty spot on. Although I don't really know anything about 3.

 

[Stacks1]

I never used more than that but a guy from another board run 60-80mg ed with his TRT and he’s getting gains, nothing major but from pictures you can tell a big difference. He been on for months without any negatives on blood work.

That's not nothing. If you can run oral primo at say 75mgs per day over the course of months and get some modest gains without and negatives on your blood work, that does provide some benefit to some people. I don't see it being of much benefit to the real bodybuilding community but it could have some kind of place for beginners, people looking for a boost to their TRT, etc.

 

[jim2509]

From personal experience i preferred Lgd 4033 or Rad 140 over the Dhea prohormones and actually over some of the old favourites..mainly because I got less sides. Then again I ran them for 6 weeks not 8 weeks which some people use as standard. Maybe it took the edge off the sides but they were a useful addition/boost.

 

[Smont]

This is pretty spot on. Although I don't really know anything about 3.

To be fair i dont have personal experience using 3 solo, i did use it once in another prodduct and i couldnt tell what it was doing. But ive had multiple ppl tell me its good in a stack, not good solo.

Then again, theres a 3ad/dhea td that guys are uaing here and seem to like it a lot

 

[BBiceps]

That's not nothing. If you can run oral primo at say 75mgs per day over the course of months and get some modest gains without and negatives on your blood work, that does provide some benefit to some people. I don't see it being of much benefit to the real bodybuilding community but it could have some kind of place for beginners, people looking for a boost to their TRT, etc.

I disagree (somewhat), Primo gets a bad rep because it doesn’t provide those “over night” gains like the more harsh drugs like Tren, Adrol, Dbol etc, but what you gain is what you keep, plus, when you run Primo you feel, sleep, look and train great without any side effects.

And yes, if you have you training/diet dialed in you can run Primo for a long period of time without having to worry about your blood work being trash.

Primo is not for a hobby gym goer that wants instant results but for the advanced user that wants gains he can keep it’s a great drug.

haha, as you can tell I’m a Primo fan.

 

[BBiceps]

Fair enough. Thats a much more positive result then i would have expected. Thats why i tagg3d you tho. I remeber you being in one of the threads with someone who liked the stuff. Do you rem3ber the name of the thread by any chance?

I kinda remember some thread like that but not the name.

Haha, yeah, the only negative I have to say about Primo is the price and that it can be hard to find good quality, otherwise it’s all positives from me.

 

[Stacks1]

I disagree (somewhat), Primo gets a bad rep because it doesn’t provide those “over night” gains like the more harsh drugs like Tren, Adrol, Dbol etc, but what you gain is what you keep, plus, when you run Primo you feel, sleep, look and train great without any side effects.

And yes, if you have you training/diet dialed in you can run Primo for a long period of time without having to worry about your blood work being trash.

Primo is not for a hobby gym goer that wants instant results but for the advanced user that wants gains he can keep it’s a great drug.

haha, as you can tell I’m a Primo fan.

Well I was referring to oral primo. I feel like most BBers are just going to stick with injection. Having said that, I've never used any form of primo. It has been faked so often I just never wanted to be bothered with it. But I do have a solid source that sells both forms... so I probably should take the plunge.

 

[Sage0607]

It has been over a decade since I have ran any AAS/PH but I still workout frequently and want to try something mild again. I ran tbol, sdrol, sus500, tren etc in the past but want something much easier on my body now that I am a bit older. I know that most available compounds these days are all DHEA derivatives which is fine by me but are there any that stand out? Hexadrone seems interesting for a non DHEA PH but the brands that have it seem sort of "iffy" and I hear only the alpha isomer is worth looking at. I still have my old PCT regimen and my ancillaries are all top notch including doctor prescribed drugs but I would still prefer something with minimal liver impact and hit on my blood pressure. Any help and/or suggestions to help me back into the AAS/PH world would be hugely appreciated!

As a side note, why am I still a 'new member'? My account is 13yrs old lol.

I had pretty decent experience with topical 4 andro for strength gains but nothing mind blowing by any means.

 

[EpiStrong]

Well I was referring to oral primo. I feel like most BBers are just going to stick with injection. Having said that, I've never used any form of primo. It has been faked so often I just never wanted to be bothered with it. But I do have a solid source that sells both forms... so I probably should take the plunge.

I understand primo used to be faked quite often but we have other means of vetting substances that isn't really a big hit financially now. You can literally send in an unmarked vial labeled anabolic and you will get back what is in the vial. I don't understand the hesitation in comparison to past years, other than not being willing to take these available steps to ensure quality.

From a harm reduction standpoint this should be common practice

 

[cruze1911r1]

OP, what's your age? Are you on trt?

 

[Stacks1]

I understand primo used to be faked quite often but we have other means of vetting substances that isn't really a big hit financially now. You can literally send in an unmarked vial labeled anabolic and you will get back what is in the vial. I don't understand the hesitation in comparison to past years, other than not being willing to take these available steps to ensure quality.

From a harm reduction standpoint this should be common practice

How much does that cost? And does it tell you what is in the vial or if it is just positive or negative for primo?

 

[BBiceps]

How much does that cost? And does it tell you what is in the vial or if it is just positive or negative for primo?

Last time I checked it was $95 and it will tell you the exact amount of whatever it is in the vial.

 

[Stacks1]

Last time I checked it was $95 and it will tell you the exact amount of whatever it is in the vial.

Wow that's pretty good. So it doesn't just give you a positive or negative but it will actually tell you the substance and amount for only $95? Surprised I didn't know about this. Would have done this years ago.

 

[EpiStrong]

Wow that's pretty good. So it doesn't just give you a positive or negative but it will actually tell you the substance and amount for only $95? Surprised I didn't know about this. Would have done this years ago.

Amount of substance per ml and you don't even have to label or say what anabolic it is... price went up a little it's like 120 now, at least who I used, depending on what you're testing, ie powders, aas, hgh, etc