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Mild and Safest PHs quickly

ShapiroMD

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I'll make this post sweet and to the point because I'm out of battery and I can't find my notebook adapter lol.

I'm 5'10, 170lbs 22yrs about 11-12% bodyfat, been active all my life and been in the gym since around 18.

I want the safest and mild PHs there is. Suggest the bottle name so I won't get mixed up.

I'm thinking CEL H-Drol, Epistane and EQ-PLEX.

I have:
- Nolvadex on hand 20mg
- PCT Assit
- NAC & Milk thistle extract
- Bunch of cardiovascular support supps such as CoQ10, Fish Oil, Garlic, Hawthorn, Celery etc
- Generic BP med
 
Ok I'm back :)

So I'm thinking my first cycle will be Hdrol and then my next cycle 4-6months after will be Estane. good / nah

But which one is better for strength gains?
 
ShapiroMD said:
I'll make this post sweet and to the point because I'm out of battery and I can't find my notebook adapter lol.

I'm 5'10, 170lbs 22yrs about 11-12% bodyfat, been active all my life and been in the gym since around 18.

I want the safest and mild PHs there is. Suggest the bottle name so I won't get mixed up.

I'm thinking CEL H-Drol, Epistane and EQ-PLEX.

I have:
- Nolvadex on hand 20mg
- PCT Assit
- NAC & Milk thistle extract
- Bunch of cardiovascular support supps such as CoQ10, Fish Oil, Garlic, Hawthorn, Celery etc
- Generic BP med
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22yrs too young wait til 25.

why do you want to supress testosterone -the daddy of them all-at a time when it will be at it highest level in your body , for something which cannot match that-a mild safe ph.

Take advantage of what you have , train hard, eat sensibly and in 3 years time ;raise the question again-just my view
 
corsaking said:
22yrs too young wait til 25.

why do you want to supress testosterone -the daddy of them all-at a time when it will be at it highest level in your body , for something which cannot match that-a mild safe ph.
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In that case why not wait till your 30's
 
The mildest pH that I have taken thus far has been the sublingual "tren" products. Specifically, AMS Liquidrone. No sides, decent strength and fat loss, not a huge mass builder by any means, but I didn't lose any weight either. I went from 12% to 8% BF in 4 weeks, and gained a pound or two on a cutting cycle. It was pretty nice. Good feelings of well being, and omg aggression! I had to be pretty careful not to lose my cool on that stuff. Better act fast though, I think you can only by it legally until the 1st of the year.
 
LilPsychotic said:
The mildest pH that I have taken thus far has been the sublingual "tren" products. Specifically, AMS Liquidrone. No sides, decent strength and fat loss, not a huge mass builder by any means, but I didn't lose any weight either. I went from 12% to 8% BF in 4 weeks, and gained a pound or two on a cutting cycle. It was pretty nice. Good feelings of well being, and omg aggression! I had to be pretty careful not to lose my cool on that stuff. Better act fast though, I think you can only by it legally until the 1st of the year.
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Losing 4% bodyfat and gaining 2 pounds of muscle..That's a successfull cut you must've been RIPPED.:35:
 
Bigchourico said:
Losing 4% bodyfat and gaining 2 pounds of muscle..That's a successfull cut you must've been RIPPED.:35:
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Yeah, it was pretty sweet. I followed up with a drive/rpm, and got down to 6%. That was about the leanest that I've ever been. When I cut out carbs, the fat just melts off. The trick is hanging on to mass, and this compound helped tremendously.
 
LilPsychotic said:
Yeah, it was pretty sweet. I followed up with a drive/rpm, and got down to 6%. That was about the leanest that I've ever been. When I cut out carbs, the fat just melts off. The trick is hanging on to mass, and this compound helped tremendously.
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Unless your competing in the Mr.Olympia there's really no reason to go below 6% I mean how much more ripped can you get? And cutting carbs is key but i find myself fantasizing less about sex and more about spaghetti,pizza and poptarts and that's scary.
 
Bigchourico said:
In that case why not wait till your 30's
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I'm 31 and I'm just now messing with PH's. I'd say at least wait til 27. That's when I could tell my nat test was slowing down a bit. Even then I've done fine the last 2 years w/o any help from PH/PS.
 
statik said:
I'm 31 and I'm just now messing with PH's. I'd say at least wait til 27. That's when I could tell my nat test was slowing down a bit. Even then I've done fine the last 2 years w/o any help from PH/PS.
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Yes but lets be realistic nobody is going to wait untill their mid 30's to early 40's we tend to have familys and care alot more about our health by then.
 
Bigchourico said:
Unless your competing in the Mr.Olympia there's really no reason to go below 6% I mean how much more ripped can you get? And cutting carbs is key but i find myself fantasizing less about sex and more about spaghetti,pizza and poptarts and that's scary.
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lol, some days I'd rather watch the food network than porn I miss carbs
 
Bigchourico said:
Yes but lets be realistic nobody is going to wait untill their mid 30's to early 40's we tend to have familys and care alot more about our health by then.
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at least you recognise they can f**k you up but shouldnt you be concerned about health at any age.

The problem with bodybuilding is that the look is purely cosmetic.On the outside we strive for perfection to give the appearance of good health.so some of us at any rate,are prepared to take drugs to acheive that and risk damaging our internal organs
 
corsaking said:
The problem with bodybuilding is that the look is purely cosmetic.On the outside we strive for perfection to give the appearance of good health.so some of us at any rate,are prepared to take drugs to acheive that and risk damaging our internal organs
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Yeah but it's worth it. I bet many people here have never been out of shape but it's amazing how suddenly everyone wants to be your friend and everything you say becomes more important when you look good...

Truly a sad state of affairs
 
I would rather live a life that I can enjoy and have fun while getting big/sculpted, than have a life of asking questions like how strong could I have been, or how big could I have been if I did use steroids... I like living life on the edge, I enjoy it, gives me a sense of well being and makes me feel good.
 
dpfisher said:
Yeah but it's worth it. I bet many people here have never been out of shape but it's amazing how suddenly everyone wants to be your friend and everything you say becomes more important when you look good...

Truly a sad state of affairs
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i agree
 
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