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Menace Nutrition Loggers Wanted

I believe with your back ground you may know better than I
 
3 servings is easier to space out than 4 IMO. Maybe I will give it a shot tho to see how the max goes and see if any nasty sides show up.
 
Abe Lincoln said:
I must of overlooked it.. I thought it would be my big stacks that I have coming.. So I felt like this:



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Rocket has commented with one of the best reasons for shipping in a big box. You'll have to look at my log to see it lol.
 
The ArA is kind of low dosed. And only take it on workout days so it'll last like 2-3 weeks as I only workout 3 times a week now with weights.
 
Wow looking at my bottle and instructions..... This isn't going to last long.... Doesn't it take a couple weeks for ARA to even start working
 
Abe Lincoln said:
The ArA is kind of low dosed. And only take it on workout days so it'll last like 2-3 weeks as I only workout 3 times a week now with weights.
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Lol yeah I just saw 10% so that means 25 mg/cap..... Even at 12 caps that's only 300 mg? I think Xgels is 40% so like 100mg/ cap and saw most people take 4-6 or 4-600 actual mgs.

I was also supposed to get some Driven I believe from PMs I had..... I didn't receive that :-( Pretty disapppinted
 
Godstrength said:
Lol yeah I just saw 10% so that means 25 mg/cap..... Even at 12 caps that's only 300 mg? I think Xgels is 40% so like 100mg/ cap and saw most people take 4-6 or 4-600 actual mgs.

I was also supposed to get some Driven I believe from PMs I had..... I didn't receive that :-( Pretty disapppinted
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X-gels are 250mg/cap... It's 625 mg of Arachidonic Acid Oil Blend at 40% Standardization - Yielding 250 mg of Arachidonic Acid

As per label claims
 
MultiVitamin said:
X-gels are 250mg/cap... It's 625 mg of Arachidonic Acid Oil Blend at 40% Standardization - Yielding 250 mg of Arachidonic Acid As per label claims
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So if Xgels contain 625 mg @ 40% and yield 250/cap, then this ARA is 250 @10% yielding 25mg/cap? I understand the GF is powder and less potent. Does the cap yield 250 mg? I am confused and would really like a firm understanding before I start.

250 mg @ 10% is 25 mg
So we're looking at 25mg/cap?
So 75 mg/serving, 3-4 x per day?
 
Godstrength said:
So if Xgels contain 625 mg @ 40% and yield 250/cap, then this ARA is 250 @10% yielding 25mg/cap? I understand the GF is powder and less potent. Does the cap yield 250 mg? I am confused and would really like a firm understanding before I start.

250 mg @ 10% is 25 mg
So we're looking at 25mg/cap?
So 75 mg/serving, 3-4 x per day?
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Yes, 1 cap would yield 25mg ArA
 
MultiVitamin said:
Yes, 1 cap would yield 25mg ArA
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I don't get it..... Why would they do that? If people are dosing 1000-1500 mg/day why put 225-300/day? Why put it in at all? It seems misleading. I'm disappointed man. This was gonna be my first run w ARA and I was pretty excited.
 
ArA is kind of expensive, so to get a good dose this would more expensive and it isn't just ArA in this, there is an AI and Agmatine is a good supp as well, a king about
 
Yeah it's basically arimistane with agmatine and some 13C.... Not enough ARA to be effective. That's why I asked why put it in at all

I know what's in it bro, just wasn't real familiar with ARA. Like I said this was going to be my first experience with that.
 
That might of been going for a synergy between the supps, even though the ArA is low dosed, but how effective it will be very slim. I ordered extra ArA, so you could do the same.


It does look good on the label to have it. But it needs more ArA, slayer. Or just drop the ArA. It honestly didn't make too much sense to ut an AI together with ArA as both are going to mess with joints, especially if ArA was rightly dosed
 
So wait...you are now complaing about the product you got to test for free?
 
Lol I'm not complaining.. I was happy either way, just trying to explain that the company might of decided to low dose ArA as it isn't the only ingredient so possibly it has a synergy where it doesn't need higher dosage.
 
Abe Lincoln said:
Lol I'm not complaining.. I was happy either way, just trying to explain that the company might of decided to low dose ArA as it isn't the only ingredient so possibly it has a synergy where it doesn't need higher dosage.
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Ah ok..I'll just wait for the same people to go into Evomuse's promo thread for Myosynergy and complain about the amount of -epi in it.

So I guess we're now to the point we can be disappointed by the product we applied to test for because its not formulated how we like and get pissed when its not shipped in time.....when its free.
 
Godstrength said:
I don't get it..... Why would they do that? If people are dosing 1000-1500 mg/day why put 225-300/day? Why put it in at all? It seems misleading. I'm disappointed man. This was gonna be my first run w ARA and I was pretty excited.
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There have been studies showing effects of low dosed ArA as low as 60 or 80mg ArA.... On my phone so I'll see if I can find them

It may have been a mis-understanding when sourcing raws (a similar event happened when SNS released their X-gel product years ago)

Abe Lincoln said:
That might of been going for a synergy between the supps, even though the ArA is low dosed, but how effective it will be very slim. I ordered extra ArA, so you could do the same.


It does look good on the label to have it. But it needs more ArA, slayer. Or just drop the ArA. It honestly didn't make too much sense to ut an AI together with ArA as both are going to mess with joints, especially if ArA was rightly dosed
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Joint issues with either don't seem to be as apparent as everyone likes to make it out to be.. I've ran ArA as high as 2000mg (while also consuming 4 additional eggs a day, which I believe yields 320mg ArA + whatever other sources from meat) and never experienced joint issues. I've also dosed arim as high as 100mg (which isn't crazy high) for 6 weeks and nada...

I think the joint side effect gets laid down a lot not because it is a super common side effect, but rather one of the only possible sides with each ingredient, and members see more well known guys warn of it, so they decide to parrot it around as gospel like ArA or arim is bound to ****ing destroy joints lol

.02... Not ranting at you, just my opinion on the matter
 
My bad Menace didn't mean to come off putting the product down or anything like that, now that I looked back at the previous page I did sound like that and I apologize for this. I'm sure this product is fine either way with ArA at its current dosage, I still look forward to using this product I was just wanting to say it seemed low dosed, so I was going to use some extra ArA on the side.
 
Abe Lincoln said:
My bad Menace didn't mean to come off putting the product down or anything like that, now that I looked back at the previous page I did sound like that and I apologize for this. I'm sure this product is fine either way with ArA at its current dosage, I still look forward to using this product I was just wanting to say it seemed low dosed, so I was going to use some extra ArA on the side.
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I don't think you really came of like that brah.. The ArA dose is low
 
Godstrength said:
I don't get it..... Why would they do that? If people are dosing 1000-1500 mg/day why put 225-300/day? Why put it in at all? It seems misleading. I'm disappointed man. This was gonna be my first run w ARA and I was pretty excited.
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Don't be disappointed, with the other goodies in there, I think you are in for a pretty fun ride!!
 
Abe Lincoln said:
My bad Menace didn't mean to come off putting the product down or anything like that, now that I looked back at the previous page I did sound like that and I apologize for this. I'm sure this product is fine either way with ArA at its current dosage, I still look forward to using this product I was just wanting to say it seemed low dosed, so I was going to use some extra ArA on the side.
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I wasn't yelling at you in particular...just reading the thread it reminded me of a "come on man" moment.

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The post before where I said it would have slim effect was kind of out of place. I don't know if it would or not, and I didn't know about studies on low doses of ArA. I honestly am more excited for the Agmatine in it for the pumps and GDA capabilities.

Lol, it is all good admin.. Though when you random appear I make sure to fix my step if it isn't fully fixed. Not looking to fight with AM reps again..
 
I was worried about the ARA, I have used products with it before and the joint pain was terrible, I may be able to use this!
 
Admin said:
So wait...you are now complaing about the product you got to test for free?
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I'm not trying to be disrespectful.... I'm grateful this company chose me to log for them. I am simply expressing my disappointment.

I could come to this board and give every company that gives me a logging opportunity props and rave reviews just because they sent me "free supplements". However I don't believe that's honest. I don't believe there is any character or integrity in that. I want people to know whether the product is well put together or not. I would want someone to do the same, not steer me in the wrong direction simply bc they were chosen for a log.
 
Godstrength said:
I'm not trying to be disrespectful.... I'm grateful this company chose me to log for them. I am simply expressing my disappointment.

I could come to this board and give every company that gives me a logging opportunity props and rave reviews just because they sent me "free supplements". However I don't believe that's honest. I don't believe there is any character or integrity in that. I want people to know whether the product is well put together or not. I would want someone to do the same, not steer me in the wrong direction simply bc they were chosen for a log.
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I will look forward to you honest log and review, I believe you are in for a surprise!!:bad:
 
I say we hold judgement on the effectiveness of the product, godstrength. A lot of things on paper seem a certain way, but when used produces different results. Who knows you could gain some crazy amount of poundage on all the main lifts.
 
Godstrength said:
I'm not trying to be disrespectful.... I'm grateful this company chose me to log for them. I am simply expressing my disappointment.

I could come to this board and give every company that gives me a logging opportunity props and rave reviews just because they sent me "free supplements". However I don't believe that's honest. I don't believe there is any character or integrity in that. I want people to know whether the product is well put together or not. I would want someone to do the same, not steer me in the wrong direction simply bc they were chosen for a log.
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Well, AFTER your review, that point will be valid...but you haven't even started yet and you are disappointed about the formulation. If you don't like it, send it back then.

You might not be trying to, but it is rather rude for you to state your disappointment based on the formulation of a product you never tried...especially in their promo thread.
 
Godstrength said:
Yeah it's basically arimistane with agmatine and some 13C.... Not enough ARA to be effective. That's why I asked why put it in at all

I know what's in it bro, just wasn't real familiar with ARA. Like I said this was going to be my first experience with that.
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we don't know what the optimal dose of Ara is, we only know what is effective from the data studied. We believe 250 mg(number studied?) is effective, albeit still not enough data to draw any firm conclusions. I wouldn't completely write it off as non effective, but a higher dose would be nice. If u really wanna go Ara add some X factor in as u won't have to add in as much with the growth factor
 
MultiVitamin said:
There have been studies showing effects of low dosed ArA as low as 60 or 80mg ArA.... On my phone so I'll see if I can find them

It may have been a mis-understanding when sourcing raws (a similar event happened when SNS released their X-gel product years ago)

Joint issues with either don't seem to be as apparent as everyone likes to make it out to be.. I've ran ArA as high as 2000mg (while also consuming 4 additional eggs a day, which I believe yields 320mg ArA + whatever other sources from meat) and never experienced joint issues. I've also dosed arim as high as 100mg (which isn't crazy high) for 6 weeks and nada...

I think the joint side effect gets laid down a lot not because it is a super common side effect, but rather one of the only possible sides with each ingredient, and members see more well known guys warn of it, so they decide to parrot it around as gospel like ArA or arim is bound to ****ing destroy joints lol

.02... Not ranting at you, just my opinion on the matter
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Nice post
 
Back on topic, still nothing.

Not complaining just giving feedback so I don't get pm's about where's my link and shiz.
 
Admin said:
Well, AFTER your review, that point will be valid...but you haven't even started yet and you are disappointed about the formulation. If you don't like it, send it back then.

You might not be trying to, but it is rather rude for you to state your disappointment based on the formulation of a product you never tried...especially in their promo thread.
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Exactly
 
I will get the log up and give my honest assessment. No harm meant Menace or to the reps. Was simply trying to sort out how much ARA was in the product. You have been very generous.
 
Not sure why they stopped making the OG anabeta but you guys could look into Anacyclus pyrethrum DC Extract (root) as a replacement for ArA.
 
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