I want some bro's with some good understanding of the subject to comment on High Dose usage of Vitamin C. There are a ton of advocates out there, not the least of which was Linus Pauling. Your thoughts, expierences, etc. please!
Many other scientific/researcher types did high dosing of C. Interesting indeed.Originally posted by bachovas
Just a quick thought. Einstein took 10 grs per day.
I have read it is B vitamins in supplements that cause the deep yellow color in urine. Most of the B vitamins are cheap so multi-vitamin manufacturers frequently overdose their product with them. Since the B vitamins are water soluble it isn't injurious to health to consume excess amounts. The excess, as you wrote, is simply pissed out. Vitamin C is also water soluble and any excess would also be excreted in your urine but I don't think it causes the urine to be yellow.I have been doing about 8 grams a day for the last few days and one thing that intrigues me is that my urine color has not gone even remotely yellow which is typical when you are taking a mutivitamin. Its means your pissing out the excess. Could it be that my body is actually using up that much C? Could there be a huge deficiency right now in my body chemistry?
Benz, I would love your input on this!
Albert Einstein and Linus Pauling were close personal friends.Just a quick thought. Einstein took 10 grs per day.
I would NOT recommend ester-C. The patented ester process involves heating the vitamin and I am leary of this. Pauling always advocated the keep it simple theory that the cheapest ascorbic acid powder in bulk form was at least as effective as the fancy labeled varieties costing 10 times as much in a health food store. BTW, I have never experienced diarrhea from excess vit-C.One final thought. although mega-doses of Vitamin C are not toxic, diarrhea can result when the form taken is ascorbic acid. To avoid this, take a buffered form of Vitamin C when mega-dosing. The buffered form that most recommend is Ester C.
If my memory serves (I'm no youngster), I think Pauling was addressing the source, not form, of Vitamin C. Back in the seventies (when Pauling was writing extensively on Vitamin C) there used to be a raging debate on whether to get vitamin supplements from "natural" or "synthetic" sources. One of the so-called natural sources of Vitamin C back then was rose hips (there were others as well). Naturally, the so-called natural source was more expensive (translate more profitable to producers/retailers). Pauling knew that this was all nonsense. All vitamin supplements are essentially synthesized so it didn't matter whether the source was rose hips or not. It just mattered that it was Vitamin C. Today, this debate has gone away and "natural" is rarely marketed anymore, so Dr. Pauling saw through all this hype before most did.
Albert Einstein and Linus Pauling were close personal friends.
I would NOT recommend ester-C. The patented ester process involves heating the vitamin and I am leary of this. Pauling always advocated the keep it simple theory that the cheapest ascorbic acid powder in bulk form was at least as effective as the fancy labeled varieties costing 10 times as much in a health food store. BTW, I have never experienced diarrhea from excess vit-C.
Originally posted by whosyourdaddy02
Do you know of any place that sells large quantities of vitamins in powder form?
WYD
Ascorbic Acid:Originally posted by John Benz
I would NOT recommend ester-C. The patented ester process involves heating the vitamin and I am leary of this. Pauling always advocated the keep it simple theory that the cheapest ascorbic acid powder in bulk form was at least as effective as the fancy labeled varieties costing 10 times as much in a health food store. BTW, I have never experienced diarrhea from excess vit-C.
Why the Vitamin C Foundation Does Not Recommend Ester-C®
If my memory serves (I'm no youngster), I think Pauling was addressing the source, not form, of Vitamin C. Back in the seventies (when Pauling was writing extensively on Vitamin C) there used to be a raging debate on whether to get vitamin supplements from "natural" or "synthetic" sources. One of the so-called natural sources of Vitamin C back then was rose hips (there were others as well). Naturally, the so-called natural source was more expensive (translate more profitable to producers/retailers). Pauling knew that this was all nonsense. All vitamin supplements are essentially synthesized so it didn't matter whether the source was rose hips or not. It just mattered that it was Vitamin C. Today, this debate has gone away and "natural" is rarely marketed anymore, so Dr. Pauling saw through all this hype before most did.
If plain ascorbic acid causes no stomach upset, then that is the way to go since I am sure that is the cheapest form of Vitamin C. However, for many the inclusion of a buffering agent is advisable, especially when consuming mega-doses. Ester-C is one type of buffered Vitamin C. There are others (usually calcium ascorbate). My central point was to raise the issue of buffered vs. plain Vitamin C. I wasn't aware of any criticism against Ester-C and would be interested in knowing more.
I purposely omitted the first and last parts for the sake of brevity, as they were redundant added little pro or con, just ramblings.I can see that the Vitamin C Foundation has reservations about Ester-C and accordingly does not recommend using it.
However, I don't see that the article is condemning the use of buffered Vitamin C, although Cathcart appears to prefer ascorbic acid for treating illness.
....mineral ascorbates are generally not as effective therapeutically as ascorbic acid:
.... I have not been able to achieve the ascorbate effect with mineral ascorbates orally.
....My friend favored good old ascorbic acid or sodium ascorbate. He told me quite literally that ester-C was "two pounds of 'dung' in a one pound bag." He was an avid Pauling devote and was concerned that under certain conditions, ester-C was dangerous and contraindicated.
What's the dose they came up with for the Selenium? Benzy??Originally posted by John Benz
I also saw him on TV, where he stated that no virus is comfortable in an alkali system, which means cut back on protein while sick. He stated that for years he knew the effects of Vit-C and Vit-E were synergistic, but felt there was a missing link to his anti-oxidant triangle. Just about 10 years ago, he concluded, along with reserarchers at the Shute Heart Clinic, that the missing corner of this triangle was the trace-mineral Selenium.
I have yet to see a study in which patients were given even 1 gram every hour.aight, I suppose you have a point but are you suggesting that all studies on the subject are worthless unless they use 1-4 g/hr, as was stated as the approximate range necessary?... and with such a great range necessary due to individual variance, studies would need use at least 5g or so... per *hour*?
I will have to look this up, but for now, I would stay at a small dose if I were you. Selenium is very toxic in mega doses, unlike E & C. Several years ago, I think in the 1960's even, Ohio State did a study on Selenium, and found that fertlizers that contained too much selenium were having toxic effects on the biological activity in the soil of the wheat and corn fields all through the midwest, causing decreased yeilds. It was featured in the US Dept of Agriculture's hardbound yearbook, and as a result, many fertilizer makers reformulated their mix.
What's the dose they came up with for the Selenium? Benzy??
1. The readers of this thread can conclude whether or not the omitted portions of the article were "redundant" or "ramblings" (I'm sure the author would be flattered by this characterization). I appreciated the article, but I don't think it condemed either mineral ascorbates or Ester-C, especially when the omitted sections are considered. Others can draw their own conclusions.
I purposely omitted the first and last parts for the sake of brevity, as they were redundant added little pro or con, just ramblings.
And, the Vitamin C Foundation has more than a few resrvations about ALL forms of buffered C, both ester and mineral ascorbates. BTW, this thread was about treating illness with megadose Vit-C. I highlight part of my previous post below
It complements Vitamin E and C in fighting free radicals (oxidants) that cause cellular damage.Im sorry but what exactly does selenium do? Does it act like an anti-oxidant? Please inform me.
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