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I was thinking of using this as my first real cycle. It’s dosed at 20mg DMZ, 15mg MSTEN, and 25mg M1AD per capsule. It’s either going to be this or VL’s Necrobombs which are dosed at 15mg DMZ, 15mg MSTEN and 30mg Trest per capsule, if I can manage to get my hands on a couple bottles. Would it be better to go with either Trest or M1AD as a first time cycle? I’m looking to use this cycle as a cut.
 
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Wait is this your very first cycle or first real cycle? Inquiring minds want to know
 

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And what was your not real cycles? What’s a real cycle and a not real one?
Only thing I’ve cycled was Epiandro and 3AD. I’d consider the two cycles in question as “real” because they’re actual DS.
 
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If I was you I would you with a solo run either msten or M1A, they’re the strongest orals before superdrol and they’re pretty close to it. I don’t think stacking is necessary on your first runs and especially since trest is on the mix I would avoid it. You’d have a harder time managing your estrogen and for someone whos not used to high estrogen symptoms / signs it might be tough.
 

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If I was you I would you with a solo run either msten or M1A, they’re the strongest orals before superdrol and they’re pretty close to it. I don’t think stacking is necessary on your first runs and especially since trest is on the mix I would avoid it. You’d have a harder time managing your estrogen and for someone whos not used to high estrogen symptoms / signs it might be tough.
That’s probably the best idea. I didn’t really think about the not being used to the estrogen effects. I can try out either compound solo and see how my body responds and then add more compounds after some time and experience.
 
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The others are DHTs so much easier to manage. It’s just the trest that requires a little bit more experience imo.
 
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Yeah just run one of those compounds. They’re leaps and bounds more potent than Epiandro/3andro. Do you have pct lined up?
 

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Yeah just run one of those compounds. They’re leaps and bounds more potent than Epiandro/3andro. Do you have pct lined up?
Yep. I’ll be running Nolvadex and Sup3r PCT. I also have a bottle of Virtus for an AI in case I start to experience estrogen sides.
 

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Yep. I’ll be running Nolvadex and Sup3r PCT. I also have a bottle of Virtus for an AI in case I start to experience estrogen sides.
I took MedFit Rx DMAXXX and really liked it... 50 mg DMZ alone... never tried Silverback, I am pretty sure that is a newer one from them. I also am currently on Virtus (stacked with vii kt) and really like that.
 

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I took MedFit Rx DMAXXX and really liked it... 50 mg DMZ alone... never tried Silverback, I am pretty sure that is a newer one from them. I also am currently on Virtus (stacked with vii kt) and really like that.
Were you experiencing any sides running at that dose? The DMZ I was looking at is dosed at 15mg tabs so it’d be 30mg a day.
 
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30mg dmz would be minimum imo. When I run it i go 60mg but I usually suggest people to go 45mg it’s a decent dose for good gains/not too much sides.
 

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30mg dmz would be minimum imo. When I run it i go 60mg but I usually suggest people to go 45mg it’s a decent dose for good gains/not too much sides.
Sweet. I’ll most likely get a couple bottles of DMZ from VL or PRE.
 

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Were you experiencing any sides running at that dose? The DMZ I was looking at is dosed at 15mg tabs so it’d be 30mg a day.
Yeah I mean it definitely has sides. Nothing crazy... lethargy, libido went down a bit, that was all I can really remember... I bounced back fairly well though and felt fine within a couple of weeks into my PCT. I have NO idea what the sides will be from running those three PHs at once though...
 
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All these DHTs, msten,dmz etc are a hit or miss when talking about sides. One guy could get side on dmz and 0 on msten and the next guy will have the opposite. Sides are usually minimal though. Also I wouldn’t call lethargy a side if you’re not running test just like I won’t be surprised when the mood shows itself tonight.
 

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Kong is good stuff 👌 Ran Kong 2x and the lgd oral suspension that they discontinued. Medfitrx legit.
 

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If I was you I would you with a solo run either msten or M1A, they’re the strongest orals before superdrol and they’re pretty close to it. I don’t think stacking is necessary on your first runs and especially since trest is on the mix I would avoid it. You’d have a harder time managing your estrogen and for someone whos not used to high estrogen symptoms / signs it might be tough.
Of the two, MIA and Msten, which one is better for bulking and which one has the least amount of sides?
 
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Of the two, MIA and Msten, which one is better for bulking and which one has the least amount of sides?
On paper, M1A will be a little more wet and add more mass but msten will add more quality mass. They are both dry compounds though. I would expect M1A to have a little more sides but that could be different from a person to another. To me msten is more quality stuff though. It’s litterally 80-90% of superdrol gains without the sides or very diminished sides. It’s litterally an insane compound.
 
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Edited the last part that didn’t make sense lol sorry, cellphone.
 
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On paper, M1A will be a little more wet and add more mass but msten will add more quality mass. They are both dry compounds though. I would expect M1A to have a little more sides but that could be different from a person to another. To me msten is more quality stuff though. It’s litterally 80-90% of superdrol gains without the sides or very diminished sides. It’s litterally an insane compound.
Just to offer a contrasting but honest perspective, just finished a month block of M1A as the heaviest hitter in my cycle and put 12lbs on in 4 weeks. Way stronger than Msten as far as mass gain. Also no issues with cramping how I had to fight with Msten. Msten did increase my recovery from training much better, and would be the more “aesthetic” compound.

But M1A produced way bigger gains and less sides for me - enjoyed it much more.
 
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Just to offer a contrasting but honest perspective, just finished a month block of M1A as the heaviest hitter in my cycle and put 12lbs on in 4 weeks. Way stronger than Msten as far as mass gain. Also no issues with cramping how I had to fight with Msten. Msten did increase my recovery from training much better, and would be the more “aesthetic” compound.

But M1A produced way bigger gains and less sides for me - enjoyed it much more.
as I said M1A is the stronger mass builder of the two. I do believe though that once glycogen retention is taken into concideration and all of that, msten has the potential to put on more lean tissue. I don’t know they’re both incredibly strong... last time I ran msten In May I put on 17 lbs and I kept 14 of it.(I’m not PCTING I’m on trt) Haven’t ran M1A in ages though
 

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Yeah I realize it... but it is about as close as you can get (legally) now... DMZ came about when superdrol was banned by FDA if I remember correctly?
 
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Yeah I realize it... but it is about as close as you can get (legally) now... DMZ came about when superdrol was banned by FDA if I remember correctly?
Closest you can get to superdrol is methylstenbolone as I mentioned above. Dmz is more wet and isn’t like superdrol at all. That’s why msten has been called baby superdrol for so many years
 

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Closest you can get to superdrol is methylstenbolone as I mentioned above. Dmz is more wet and isn’t like superdrol at all. That’s why msten has been called baby superdrol for so many years
Ah i probably got the two mixed up then. I ran DMZ and did not notice any wet side effects... 6 weeks at 50mgs/ day.

Sorry I should be more specific... I did not notice gyno flare up or anything like that. But I did notice more intracellular water retention within the muscle cells...so with M Sten there would be none of that?
 
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Ah i probably got the two mixed up then. I ran DMZ and did not notice any wet side effects... 6 weeks at 50mgs/ day.

Sorry I should be more specific... I did not notice gyno flare up or anything like that. But I did notice more intracellular water retention within the muscle cells...so with M Sten there would be none of that?
I did not mean gyno by wet. Dmz is DHT so obviously it’s gonna be a dry compound, just not as much as msten. dmz will have a lot of glycogen retention and water retention in the muscles it works differently but it’s still very effective.
 

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I did not mean gyno by wet. Dmz is DHT so obviously it’s gonna be a dry compound, just not as much as msten. dmz will have a lot of glycogen retention and water retention in the muscles it works differently but it’s still very effective.
Yeah that makes more sense. That is exactly what I noticed... as soon as I went off of it I shrank a bit which I presumed was due to water loss. Also makes sense that despite "cutting" at the time when I was on DMZ I kept gaining weight.

So for strength and muscle mass (not from glycogen storage) in your opinion is Msten the way to go?
 
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Yeah that makes more sense. That is exactly what I noticed... as soon as I went off of it I shrank a bit which I presumed was due to water loss. Also makes sense that despite "cutting" at the time when I was on DMZ I kept gaining weight.

So for strength and muscle mass (not from glycogen storage) in your opinion is Msten the way to go?
That’s debatable. As you saw above some people will prefer m1A for mass and they could be right. But to me the look msten gives and the type of muscle it adds is unique. I will be running M1A in November though cause it’s I’ll be bulking and haven’t used it in years
 

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That’s debatable. As you saw above some people will prefer m1A for mass and they could be right. But to me the look msten gives and the type of muscle it adds is unique. I will be running M1A in November though cause it’s I’ll be bulking and haven’t used it in years
Ah... I avoid any PH's that have wetter side effects (as in estrogenic). I may have to try a 4 week cycle of m sten at 20 mgs/ day when I bulk.

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as I said M1A is the stronger mass builder of the two. I do believe though that once glycogen retention is taken into concideration and all of that, msten has the potential to put on more lean tissue. I don’t know they’re both incredibly strong... last time I ran msten In May I put on 17 lbs and I kept 14 of it.(I’m not PCTING I’m on trt) Haven’t ran M1A in ages though
There is very little intramuscular glycogen or extracellular water retention with M1A - it adds hard lean mass, and a ton of it. Msten had much greater glycogen retention for me.

Closest you can get to superdrol is methylstenbolone as I mentioned above. Dmz is more wet and isn’t like superdrol at all. That’s why msten has been called baby superdrol for so many years
Dmz is double-bonded Superdrol (which is Methyl Masteron). Methylstenbolone is double-methylated 1-Testosterone. M1A is Methyl 1AD, (1AD is a precursor to 1-Testosterone).

Not that any of that matters - as mentioned, all the little modifications make big differences in real-world effects.
 

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There is very little intramuscular glycogen or extracellular water retention with M1A - it adds hard lean mass, and a ton of it. Msten had much greater glycogen retention for me.



Dmz is double-bonded Superdrol (which is Methyl Masteron). Methylstenbolone is double-methylated 1-Testosterone. M1A is Methyl 1AD, (1AD is a precursor to 1-Testosterone).

Not that any of that matters - as mentioned, all the little modifications make big differences in real-world effects.
Does M1A convert to estrogen? I avoid all PHs that do. That is why I went with DMZ originally.
 
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I think this looks like a great, very strong oral for a kickstart or whatever you want really. Bulk would work best.
 
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30mg dmz would be minimum imo. When I run it i go 60mg but I usually suggest people to go 45mg it’s a decent dose for good gains/not too much sides.
30min when ran solo. Stacked with msten ppl he great results at 20/20 each so I wouldn't go bumping dmz to 60 with the other stuff in that product, overkill
 
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30min when ran solo. Stacked with msten ppl he great results at 20/20 each so I wouldn't go bumping dmz to 60 with the other stuff in that product, overkill
I agree 60 is a lot but nothing below that would do a single thing to me so I’m probably a bad responder to dymethazine. I wouldn’t agree that nothing over 30mg is needed though, I believe 45mg is the sweet spot for most people unless they are new to steroids
 
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I agree 60 is a lot but nothing below that would do a single thing to me so I’m probably a bad responder to dymethazine. I wouldn’t agree that nothing over 30mg is needed though, I believe 45mg is the sweet spot for most people unless they are new to steroids
I never said nothing over thirty is needed. But if we're still talking about the product in his original post then bumping dmz to 60 (3 caps) would mean he's taking 60mg dmz, 45mgs msten and 75mg m1ad. That's a lot, especially for someone on there seccond run and have never used any of those things.

If I missed something and he said he's running dmz solo then I'd start around 40/45 going up to 60 after 2/3 weeks. If it was me cuz I've used it a few times I'd go 60 for 6 weeks
 
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I never said nothing over thirty is needed. But if we're still talking about the product in his original post then bumping dmz to 60 (3 caps) would mean he's taking 60mg dmz, 45mgs msten and 75mg m1ad. That's a lot, especially for someone on there seccond run and have never used any of those things.

If I missed something and he said he's running dmz solo then I'd start around 40/45 going up to 60 after 2/3 weeks. If it was me cuz I've used it a few times I'd go 60 for 6 weeks
Yeah was talking about dmz solo bro! You’re right taking 3cap of that would be crazy as **** lol
 

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I haven't seen the silverback on their website. Their black magic and king looks nice though. I'll probably roll with the black magic since I can't find the silverback and the king has so many methyl compounds. My only experience other than test is tren, anavar, and SD
 
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All right after a lot of thinking these past days I just bought M1A From medfit as a blast finisher of my test/npp cycle. @Hyde you got me curious with the talk we had. Haven’t used the compound since 4 years so I’m curious how it’ll go. Just dunno how I should approach this calorie wise.I’m still KINDA lean I’m at 13-14% idk if I should try to keep calories close to maintenance or just go balls deep calorie wise.
 

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I haven't seen the silverback on their website. Their black magic and king looks nice though. I'll probably roll with the black magic since I can't find the silverback and the king has so many methyl compounds. My only experience other than test is tren, anavar, and SD
I found Silverback on AdvancedSupps’s website.
 

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All right after a lot of thinking these past days I just bought M1A From medfit as a blast finisher of my test/npp cycle. @Hyde you got me curious with the talk we had. Haven’t used the compound since 4 years so I’m curious how it’ll go. Just dunno how I should approach this calorie wise.I’m still KINDA lean I’m at 13-14% idk if I should try to keep calories close to maintenance or just go balls deep calorie wise.
Could always start the cycle as a bulk and if you feel you are starting to look too fat switch the final four weeks or so into a cut if necessary or if you catch getting to bloated early enough just switch it to maintenance. That is gonna be my approach on my current 8 week cycle I just started.
 
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Could always start the cycle as a bulk and if you feel you are starting to look too fat switch the final four weeks or so into a cut if necessary or if you catch getting to bloated early enough just switch it to maintenance. That is gonna be my approach on my current 8 week cycle I just started.
As I stated I’m into my finisher so this is my final 4 weeks!
 

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As I stated I’m into my finisher so this is my final 4 weeks!
Sorry missed that part. Could always bulk for the four, then cut later off cycle, but I don’t like cutting without drugs as I tend to lose muscle since I am 41. Plus it is Summer time so you may not want to carry the excess weight around if even for a brief period.
 
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Sorry missed that part. Could always bulk for the four, then cut later off cycle, but I don’t like cutting without drugs as I tend to lose muscle since I am 41. Plus it is Summer time so you may not want to carry the excess weight around if even for a brief period.
Exactly. I got a lot bigger than I was and managed to stay "lean" around 13-14% still have visible abs but to me I’m fat lmao. I just don’t know if m1A would be great in a caloric maintenance at recomping. I don’t wanna waste the compound either
 
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Exactly. I got a lot bigger than I was and managed to stay "lean" around 13-14% still have visible abs but to me I’m fat lmao. I just don’t know if m1A would be great in a caloric maintenance at recomping. I don’t wanna waste the compound either
You are going to put lbs on the scale no matter what with M1A (expect a few the first 4-7 DAYS) but I definitely think it can be used to recomp. It’s such a strong hormone it’s just going to force some lean tissue period, the way tren does. Not that it causes the metabolic overdrive that tren does, just that you will add some lean tissue no matter what you do with calories.
 

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