Matt's Superdrol Log - The quest for a perfect cycle
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swangswang
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bubbaw said:
God I love superdrol.
SrT4u2Nv
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is it ok to start Superdrol at 10mg then in a couple days bump up the doseage to 20mg? Because im 6'2 220 and whenever i do a cycle my first week or week 1/2 i feel nothing till i bump up the mg. Or is this stuff just to strong to do that. Because i'd rather be safer and take it at 10mg for a week and then 20 for the next two weeks.
swangswang
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SrT4u2Nv said:
If you have never taken it before start at 10 miligrams and wait atleast 4 to 5 days to see if you are starting to see the effects of it. If you arent, bump to 20 mgs and at 20 mgs you should deffinately start seeing results. If sides become a problem bump back down to 10 and if they dont just stay at 20 until you are ready for 30. You are a pretty big guy so I would say 30 mgs would do you right torward the end of the cycle. Just start at a low dose and see how your body reacts to it. I am about 25 lbs. smaller than you but I dont really start gainin until I hit 30 mgs.
BigMattTx
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PCT Week 2 Complete!
Just finished up week 2 of PCT. Now I am bumping down to 10mg of Nolva for one more week. I will continue to take Powerfull/Cissus/Fenugreek/Restore for another 2 weeks.
I weighed in Thursday and Friday right around 190 both days so I am keeping the weight. Definition has improved drastically. My abs are really starting to come in.
On the downside, I got a little bit of a cold this weekend. Its nothing too bad but Im going to have to take today off from the gym which is very dissappointing. I hope to hit it tommorow. I dont know if the increase in workload in the gym cause the cold or change of weather but I hope to keep my weight up. Despite the cold, I have still been eating like a monster so I'm not too worried. I imagine I will lose a couple pounds from this but I'm hoping that in 2 weeks, I can be a well-defined 190. I will take pics then for comparison.
Just finished up week 2 of PCT. Now I am bumping down to 10mg of Nolva for one more week. I will continue to take Powerfull/Cissus/Fenugreek/Restore for another 2 weeks.
I weighed in Thursday and Friday right around 190 both days so I am keeping the weight. Definition has improved drastically. My abs are really starting to come in.
On the downside, I got a little bit of a cold this weekend. Its nothing too bad but Im going to have to take today off from the gym which is very dissappointing. I hope to hit it tommorow. I dont know if the increase in workload in the gym cause the cold or change of weather but I hope to keep my weight up. Despite the cold, I have still been eating like a monster so I'm not too worried. I imagine I will lose a couple pounds from this but I'm hoping that in 2 weeks, I can be a well-defined 190. I will take pics then for comparison.
BigMattTx
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Come on man!
This isnt the place to ask. Ive been nice enough to answer your newbie questions...
40mg is insane. I imagine youd have to be 250 with prior AAS experience to use that dose.
Anyway, feel free to make your own thread. This is a log and its designed to help people. I dont want them to have to read through a whole bunch of BS.
This isnt the place to ask. Ive been nice enough to answer your newbie questions...
40mg is insane. I imagine youd have to be 250 with prior AAS experience to use that dose.
Anyway, feel free to make your own thread. This is a log and its designed to help people. I dont want them to have to read through a whole bunch of BS.
swangswang
Member
Yeah I dont know where any one said anything about 40 mgs, but that is nuts. I couldnt imagine anything good coming out of that
bubbaw
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swangswang said:
Neither have I and nobody has ever said anything about 40mg.
It was a simple question that I'm sure others have wondered as well.
There was no harm meant in bogging down your thread w/questions, I have done the searches and just wanted some clarification on dosages.
hardknock
Well-known member
With all the talk of how little superdrol surpresses, i was suprised to see the use of Restore in your post cycle therapy, of course it has cortisol lowering effects also, yet...
Have you noticed any effects of low estrogen?
And, do you think, in your opinion, that there may be a bounce back effect? Im torn between running just nolva/dhea/fenugreek...and nolva/dhea/fenugreek/rr..or restore....
but of course,im going to be running PP rather than superdrol so i may opt out of a pure estrogen blocker and go for cycle support/nolva/dhea/and fenugreek
Have you noticed any effects of low estrogen?
And, do you think, in your opinion, that there may be a bounce back effect? Im torn between running just nolva/dhea/fenugreek...and nolva/dhea/fenugreek/rr..or restore....
but of course,im going to be running PP rather than superdrol so i may opt out of a pure estrogen blocker and go for cycle support/nolva/dhea/and fenugreek
BigMattTx
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hardknock said:
I feel like I am completely recovered from this cycle and have felt fine the entire time. The first couple days of PCT was the only time that I felt somewhat supressed and even then, it was not bad.
Originally, I was going to use Retain. I personally think that a cortisol supressor is mandatory for PCT to help retain gains/harden up and I will ALWAYS use one. NP had a deal on Restore for $30 so it was just an extra few dollars over Retain and both have the ingredient mBaet for cortisol so I went with Restore. Restore has the extra benefit of prolactin supression (may have been the cause of delayed gyno for some people), a mild AI and a free test optimizer so I figured Id try it.
As for the bounceback effect, its tough to say. It seems that was the case with some that experienced delayed gyno but I am not worried about it. I feel like my estrogen levels have been slowly residing because I have less and less bloat as the days go on. Nolva also seems to keep me a little bloated and it is a weak estrogen so that makes sense.
I think no matter what you do, you will be golden so long as you are using Nolva.
damien888
New member
Hey matt congrats on your gain. I'm planning on started a cycle of superdrol 10/20/20 and for my pct I will be using toremifene. I also want to take restore, powerfull and cissux rx for my pct but no supplements store in Canada carry these products and I really don't want to go through all the trouble ordering them online since our customs are pain in the ass and usually holds on to the package for weeks or even months. However, we do carry products from anabolic xtreme, legal gear and designer supplements and I was wondering if you can give me an idea on what I should take that are similar to products you are taking. Thanks in advance.
BigMattTx
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Damien,
Sounds good man..Toremifene is supposed to be the best.
As far as a replacement for Powerfull/Cissus, there really are no other product like them
DS has some awesome products though and AX has a few good ones.
If I was in your shoes, I would opt to go with AX Hyperdrol and Retain for post cycle therapy, in addition to the Torem. Restore seems to have a lower dosage of mBaet than Retain since it has the combo of ingredients. Also, Hyperdrol has an AI in it so if you were to take Restore and hypedrol that would probably be overkill. Retain alone would help you harden up and continue to gain through PCT but with Hyperdrol, it would be even better.
I don't think coming off a steroid is any excuse to stop gaining but thats just me
Diet and Training will be your number one tools so keep those cals up and keep a regimented training program!
Sounds good man..Toremifene is supposed to be the best.
As far as a replacement for Powerfull/Cissus, there really are no other product like them
DS has some awesome products though and AX has a few good ones.
If I was in your shoes, I would opt to go with AX Hyperdrol and Retain for post cycle therapy, in addition to the Torem. Restore seems to have a lower dosage of mBaet than Retain since it has the combo of ingredients. Also, Hyperdrol has an AI in it so if you were to take Restore and hypedrol that would probably be overkill. Retain alone would help you harden up and continue to gain through PCT but with Hyperdrol, it would be even better.
I don't think coming off a steroid is any excuse to stop gaining but thats just me
Diet and Training will be your number one tools so keep those cals up and keep a regimented training program!
pistonpump
Banned
OMG.... there is so much info on that. Do a search on Anabolic Xtreme and the other supps companies you can get. Go to there website and read. All 3 of those companies have products for PCT. Read.
swangswang
Member
Damien, Activate by Designer Supplements is supposed to be very similar to powerfull. I used it and personally like Powerfull better but different people respond to different supplements differently so check that out.
pistonpump
Banned
ive found cissus alot better muscle and joint wise. Powerfull I thought was a waste besides the fact libido went up and felt sleepy alot and some diarreha. I was putting it down when i almost finished but im going to give it another shot for libido purposes in PCT.
hardknock
Well-known member
MattHines said:
Yeah, i see where your coming from now. I do think that a mild AI is in need, definitely something for the prolactin possibilities.
It would only make sense, as opposed to not using an AI. I mean, we all agree that natural Test is low when 'on', so estrogen is somewhat low as well. When administering nolva and our Test begins to go back up (some reporting 400%???) it would only make sense that our bodies would try to do the old balancing act with estro. And, i think that's were some receive the delayed gyno...also, i understand some obliterate thier estro by going overboard when there's no reason to(especially with a "non"aroma Ph) and it then overshoots when coming back into balance.....
I think you have the best possible combo, a prolactin protector and a mild, quote "mild" AI in the mix. Then, appropriate tapering helps also.
BigMattTx
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hardknock said:
Yes I agree with this somewhat but I have never seen anyones test levels be at 400% from Nolva. Nolva really wont get you much over baseline but it will help get you there, control estrogen by blocking receptors and also help cholesterol get back to normal. Now, ATD (Rebound XT) which many people that got delayed gyno were using will get your test above baseline so that is good theory as to why that would happen. ATD seems to obliterate estrogen, even at low dosages. When I ran an NHA stack, 50mg/day had me completely dry.
A mild AI is definitely what I would use in PCT. I dont like the idea of using a strong AI, like ATD which has its own set of side effects. I want a high libido in PCT!
As for superdrol being non-aromitizable, I dont buy it! Look at how bloated I am in the final pics. I personally think that it does aromatize to some degree. I think very little aromatizes to DHT (which is why there are not many androgenic sides) but it does appear to aromatize to estrogen and cause bloat. Who knows..
BigMattTx
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PCT Day 17 Update
I got back into the gym yesterday and hit a full body workout to make up for missing Monday. I only did 2-3 sets per muscle group and the workout went well. I weighed in at 187. I have definitely lost waterweight so I dont feel bad that my weight is down a bit. Plus, the cold may have contributed. I'm better now and taking today off but I will hit the gym thursday and friday. I hope to get my weight back to 190 by the end of PCT.
I got back into the gym yesterday and hit a full body workout to make up for missing Monday. I only did 2-3 sets per muscle group and the workout went well. I weighed in at 187. I have definitely lost waterweight so I dont feel bad that my weight is down a bit. Plus, the cold may have contributed. I'm better now and taking today off but I will hit the gym thursday and friday. I hope to get my weight back to 190 by the end of PCT.
swangswang
Member
For sure Matt... any time I am sick or even just hung over I lose weight out the ass. With your PCT i could see you going over 190
BigMattTx
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swangswang said:
Yea my caloric intake is pretty crazy too.
I've been eating at least 7 meals per day. At work, I eat 2 of my meals. This is how I eat at work:
1 can of Tuna, 1 small chicken breast, about 2 cups of mixed veggies/broccoli/green beans, almonds. thats 1 meal.
I really never get full.
I am looking forward to the next couple weeks. I will be done with Nolva in 4 days, then I may up my dosage of the remaining supps-Restore/Powerfull/Cissus and see what it does. Nolva is a big variable and can contribute to waterweight storage IMO so I will be happy to isolate it.
swangswang
Member
Yeah Man Im always eating in the most random places. I carry around a brown paper bag with yogurt protein bars and wheat bread all the time... people think IM crazy
BigMattTx
Active member
post cycle therapy Day 19 Update
The last couple days I have been noting less vascularity, a decreased sense of wellbeing, minor lethargy and a decrease in libido. I'm guessing that this is because of the AI in Restore...and now I'm starting to think that I got that cold because of it as well.
For some reason, my body responds very negatively to AI's. At just 25-50mg ATD, I got worse sides than I did from superdrol and felt like complete crap. I am getting the same sides but just to a lower extent.
I'm going to start the taper of Restore and see if things return to normal. Today I am bumping it down to 2 caps/ED. I will run this and see if I notice an improvement.
Aside from that, I weighed in yesterday at 187 again. My workout yesterday didnt go that well. I didnt feel very strong. Today I'm gonna hit a Pull day and see how I feel.
The last couple days I have been noting less vascularity, a decreased sense of wellbeing, minor lethargy and a decrease in libido. I'm guessing that this is because of the AI in Restore...and now I'm starting to think that I got that cold because of it as well.
For some reason, my body responds very negatively to AI's. At just 25-50mg ATD, I got worse sides than I did from superdrol and felt like complete crap. I am getting the same sides but just to a lower extent.
I'm going to start the taper of Restore and see if things return to normal. Today I am bumping it down to 2 caps/ED. I will run this and see if I notice an improvement.
Aside from that, I weighed in yesterday at 187 again. My workout yesterday didnt go that well. I didnt feel very strong. Today I'm gonna hit a Pull day and see how I feel.
swangswang
Member
Hey Matt, all will be well in a week or so. Dont get to down on it. Some times I feel like everything is in my head, I think if you stop looking at in a negative way you will have a better sense of being and start having better work outs... just my .02
BigMattTx
Active member
Thanks man.
This is definitely not in my head though. I took two C2, two Pfull and 3 cissus with my preworkout shake just now. This workout should be good.
The Restore is definitely causing ill effects. When having sex, I couldnt get as good of a hardon as normal. Ive been wondering what it was and then when laying in bed last night it hit me. I'm getting the SAME negatives as ATD but to a lesser extent (I'm sure this AI is much milder). I cant wait to finish up this PCT, move on to the next thing and prepare for my PP/Test E cycle.
This is definitely not in my head though. I took two C2, two Pfull and 3 cissus with my preworkout shake just now. This workout should be good.
The Restore is definitely causing ill effects. When having sex, I couldnt get as good of a hardon as normal. Ive been wondering what it was and then when laying in bed last night it hit me. I'm getting the SAME negatives as ATD but to a lesser extent (I'm sure this AI is much milder). I cant wait to finish up this PCT, move on to the next thing and prepare for my PP/Test E cycle.
swangswang
Member
Best of luck to you Matt. I bet you cant wait to get off that ****ing ATD... On a positive note... I just bumped up to 30 mgs. of methyl plex and had the most insane work out of my life I think my bis and chest seriously grew an inch during the work out :head:
pistonpump
Banned
Matt you ever run PP?
matthines2
Banned
PCT Week 3 Complete
I took my last dose of nolva last night and I have started phasing out the Restore. I did 2 caps for the last 3 days and I will do 1 cap for 3 more days. I am already starting to feel better so the Restore was definitely the cause of my problems.
Weight was 187 on Friday so staying pretty consistent. I added my daily intake on FitDay and I am getting about 4000 cals/day and about 400grams of Protein. This is obviously way above maitenance and I am starting to smooth out and gain a little fat. I am going to up my postworkout cardio and lower cals a bit as I am getting smoother than Id like.
On another note, I got banned for a reason unknown to me. I am going to ask for an explanation and try to get my account back but if all fails, dont expect to see me posting any other updates. I feel like I have given a lot to AM and if I am not wanted, then I'll be gone.
Thanks for all your support and I hope this log helped some of you out!
Matt
I took my last dose of nolva last night and I have started phasing out the Restore. I did 2 caps for the last 3 days and I will do 1 cap for 3 more days. I am already starting to feel better so the Restore was definitely the cause of my problems.
Weight was 187 on Friday so staying pretty consistent. I added my daily intake on FitDay and I am getting about 4000 cals/day and about 400grams of Protein. This is obviously way above maitenance and I am starting to smooth out and gain a little fat. I am going to up my postworkout cardio and lower cals a bit as I am getting smoother than Id like.
On another note, I got banned for a reason unknown to me. I am going to ask for an explanation and try to get my account back but if all fails, dont expect to see me posting any other updates. I feel like I have given a lot to AM and if I am not wanted, then I'll be gone.
Thanks for all your support and I hope this log helped some of you out!
Matt
matthines2
Banned
pistonpump said:
Nope. I'm about to run a Test cycle with PP jumpstart:
1-14 Test E 600mg
1-4 PP 20mg
1-14 Adex .5mg-1mg EOD
PCT
1-4 Clomid 50mg
1-4 Nolva 20-30mg
HCG 500iu first 10 days
Powerfull
Creatine
Cant freaking wait
pistonpump
Banned
with pp i advise this to everyone, try to get a bottle of 10mg phera and try to get some 15mg phera. that way you can play with doses. I found 25mg my spot. the 15mg dose i took around workout time. I mean you get more options with two different size pills. Cycle looks good. Im still waiting for some of my stuff....:[
matthines2
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pistonpump said:
I agree but to be honest, its just a jumpstart so I'm not too worried. 20mg/day should get me going nice until the test kicks in. I cant imagine how nice its going to be to have that on cycle feeling for nearly 1/3 of a year!
pistonpump
Banned
man you really couldnt wait a week for your ban to lift?! haha. i wonder how the mods will feel about that lol.
matthines2
Banned
pistonpump said:
I couldnt figure out why I was banned until I made this new SN and posted a topic about it. There was no message or anything.
pistonpump
Banned
oh, well welcome back haha.
swangswang
Member
Ive been one methyl drol (phera plex) for 9 days and have gained 6 pounds?!?!?1 I look leaner but Im sure there is a bit of water weight. Phera is the way to gooooo. Matt good luck with the test e i assure you youll be satisfied with the PP. I wish i could grow some cajunas and just take the plunge with the injectibles...
pistonpump
Banned
first of all you dont have to do injectables, dont jump into it unless you feel like youre at a genetic limit because it is proven that you lose more of the gains if you arent at your genetic limit. Methyl drol is superdrol not phera. Methyl plex is phera.swangswang said:
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swangswang
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I ment methyl plex my bad. god damn that was some complete bashing.... you know so much about me right? You can just guess from my uneducated statement I must not be close to my genetic potential
pistonpump
Banned
sorry bout that i didnt mean it like that. youll like phera, hope you have a good cycle. peace.
about the injectables, i feel the same way but you know it really cant be that bad. If you research it and really want to step away from orals then its just somethin you have to man up and do.
about the injectables, i feel the same way but you know it really cant be that bad. If you research it and really want to step away from orals then its just somethin you have to man up and do.
SrT4u2Nv
Member
For Post Cycle, do u have to run an AI? B/c i get the same effects from it as Matt was getting but it hits me just a couple days after starting it. Its happened my last two cycles. I will take retain even though i feel it doesnt do anything but an AI mixxed into it or a AI seperately i might skip. FYI this will be my first Superdrol cycle! and i've been on all Pre-cycle stuff for almost 2 weeks now. Waiting for sprained wrist to heal up. (does anyone has pointers about how to heal or help sprained wrist?) its been 3 weeks already but it is healing better.
pistonpump
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maybe some cissus for the wrist and glucosamine(spelling?)SrT4u2Nv said:
you dont have to run an ai but its good for some people because SERMs can give an estrogen rebound, hence the inverse serm ai protocol i believe.
pistonpump
Banned
i take a low dose ai tapering up then back down for my pct's
matthines2
Banned
SrT4u2Nv said:
An AI is not needed and in my case, I feel it is detrimental.
I mean who wants to feel depressed, have low libido and lethargy in PCT?
Luckily, Restore's AI is milder than ATD but it still hit me hard over time. I am now down to 1 cap/day and I have noticed a continual improvement since bumping down to 2 caps. Restore was definitely the cause of my problems.
From now on, its gonna be injectibles for me. No AI is needed in PCT for injectibles, although they are used on cycle.
pistonpump
Banned
im pretty sure its because he posted info on a steriod CYCLE in the HRT section of our forums. B50 has been really annoyed by this lately and seems you caught him at a bad time.hardknock said:
TIP: for all, make sure the thread you intend on posting about AAS use other than HRT, make sure its not in the HRT section!!!!