Masteron v AI

Whacked said:
Re: Slin. If I could figure out how to use it in an anabolic-advantageous way and not get fat I'd be in.

Anyone?
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Not that difficult especially when you stay within sensible dosage. Always start very low (1iu) and work your way up 8iu max for me). For every iu of insulin take in 10iu of simple sugars.

All I do is eat a meal and some simple sugars (desert) PWO and inject 5iu of humalog.

I want to add that 'timing' is super important in avoiding hypo side effects. You could take in plenty of carbs but mistime it and you will get a little hypo. So you need to get the timing right and you're g2g which will be determined by the type of insulin you choose to use (fast acting, slow acting, etc)
 
Shasow said:
Lol yeah BBing is pretty easy compared to other sports not sure I would go that far though.

Regardless it's ok I wasn't putting words in your mouth I was just saying things as I see them. Regarding "adapting to dosages" I really don't think three years is much time to justify becoming adapted to that much. There are also ways to offset this from evening happening IMO.
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There's nothing athletic about BB'ing at all. Literally zero part of the outcome.

How many people do you know that blast and cruise stay at their original doses on both the blast and the cruise? I have yet to see any as your set point will eventually start to require both extra food and extra AAS. My current blast is at 1200mg after years of keeping test moderate (500-600mg) with my blasts are generally 8-10 weeks at most. The mast was for ****s and giggles as I had never used it nor is it a deleterious compound. Recent lipids (not that these tell much), BP, and RHR are all fantastic as I do keep health in mind, which is another reason I seldom run anything overly harsh or suppressive.
 
Rodja said:
There's nothing athletic about BB'ing at all. Literally zero part of the outcome.
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Hmm the same could be said for PLing. Lifting heavy arse wait is fun but hardly athletic goodness me have you seen most PL'ers? But then it depends how serious you take it. You could turn up and lay on a bench and push as much as you want and eat **** all day or you could 101 things that make you a serious PLer same for bodybuilding, how serious do you take it?

How many people do you know that blast and cruise stay at their original doses on both the blast and the cruise?
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I know me. And I know what I have been taught on the subject. For example if you switched up compounds i.e. replaced test with something else how would you body ever adapt to that compound?

When you run a standard cruise dose of lower test how will your body react to a larger amount when you re-introduce it? Almost like brand new. And if you use other PEDs during the cruise you could stay just as strong anyway.

I've been on for two years and have seen or felt no need to up things.
 
Shasow said:
Hmm the same could be said for PLing. Lifting heavy arse wait is fun but hardly athletic goodness me have you seen most PL'ers? But then it depends how serious you take it. You could turn up and lay on a bench and push as much as you want and eat **** all day or you could 101 things that make you a serious PLer same for bodybuilding, how serious do you take it?



I know me. And I know what I have been taught on the subject. For example if you switched up compounds i.e. replaced test with something else how would you body ever adapt to that compound?

When you run a standard cruise dose of lower test how will your body react to a larger amount when you re-introduce it? Almost like brand new. And if you use other PEDs during the cruise you could stay just as strong anyway.

I've been on for two years and have seen or felt no need to up things.
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A persons physique has absolutely nothing to do with athletic ability. Have you ever seen the agility and strength of a sumo wrestler in action? I can tell that you're not familiar with how much skill, kinesthesia, and GPP it takes to become a proficient powerlifter. I'm presently a Master class lifter, which would be roughly analogous to a national level NPC competitor.

Why would you ever not cruise on test? I really want to know where you're getting this information. It's the parent hormone and no using it doesn't equate to me. Since you're not familiar with powerlifting I won't even discuss the differences in using AAS between the two goals.
 
Rodja said:
A persons physique has absolutely nothing to do with athletic ability.
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Often does mate, not always though of course. But to say it has :absolutely nothing" to do with athletic ability is just wrong.

Have you ever seen the agility and strength of a sumo wrestler in action? I can tell that you're not familiar with how much skill, kinesthesia, and GPP it takes to become a proficient powerlifter.
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Did I not just explain the difference between a low level PLer and one that takes it serious? Bro please try read what I'm saying properly to save me time keep repeating myself.

Why would you ever not cruise on test?
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You can cruise on trest. There other options but thats a the best choice.
 
Shasow said:
Often does mate, not always though of course. But to say it has :absolutely nothing" to do with athletic ability is just wrong.



Did I not just explain the difference between a low level PLer and one that takes it serious? Bro please try read what I'm saying properly to save me time keep repeating myself.



You can cruise on trest. There other options but thats a the best choice.
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I can give you countless examples of people that are tremendously athletic with 20+% BF. Like I said, physique has nothing to do with being an athlete. Perhaps you should read a bit better as it is 100% obvious that someone who blasts and cruises takes it seriously. Trest comes with a host of bullcrap that I don't want to use and is unjustifiably more expensive than test.
 
If I had the faintest of an inkling that you actually cared where I got my info from I'd try share some of it.
 
Rodja said:
I hate AIs. All of them. Aromasin is the least hated, but still don't like to use them. I've been using mast during my last cruise, which is a phase I usually don't use an AI, and noticed every classic low E2 symptom. Libido was shot, joints, were a little cranky, and I was DRY. This was while using 450mg test enanthate and 600mg mast enanthate.

My main point is does anyone have experience using mast somewhat as an AI replacement for moderate usage? Also, pros and cons from the health perspective (price is irrelevant). As I've gotten leaner, my estrogen sensitivity has improved as well.
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could also be HGIH estro... not low... use an AI, use low doses and find what works for you. masin is very weak and needed to be dosed at about 25mg ed-eod min ( most use too little. I rec dex at 0.25mg eod) also Mast is NOT an AI, sure it drys you out but you an still have high estro, you should go for blood work to really know IMO
 
Rodja said:
I can give you countless examples of people that are tremendously athletic with 20+% BF. Like I said, physique has nothing to do with being an athlete. Perhaps you should read a bit better as it is 100% obvious that someone who blasts and cruises takes it seriously. Trest comes with a host of bullcrap that I don't want to use and is unjustifiably more expensive than test.
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higher BF ususally = more estro issues...

and body condition does play a big role... some might still be good at something but your telling me being in tip top shape wouldent make you better?
 
Blergs said:
higher BF ususally = more estro issues...

and body condition does play a big role... some might still be good at something but your telling me being in tip top shape wouldent make you better?
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Depends on what you define as in-shape. There are a myriad of collegiate, professional, and Olympic athletes that carry extra fat and are amongst the best in their given sport and position.

Regarding the E2 being high, unless mast somehow magically raises my E2, then that's not it. High E2 also would not make my joints feel like crap. Like I said, I cruise without an AI and have never had this problem and, once I lowered the dose, it corrected itself. I never said mast was an AI, but there is undeniable E2 modulation.

Shasow said:
If I had the faintest of an inkling that you actually cared where I got my info from I'd try share some of it.
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Nice dodge. Again.
 
R1187 said:
Wouldn't test alone be suppressive if you've been on it for 1+ years?
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There's undeniable suppression after continuous usage, but there are degrees. For example, I've only experienced mild testicular atrophy even now except for when I ran tren. There was significant atrophy and even subsequent rebound after I came off of it.

There's a lot of bro lore on the topic as you'll read everywhere that you'll have zero testicular function after as long as I've been on. However, I just had a child in March without taking anything for fertility. I would've sworn I would be sterile, but I obviously was not.
 
Rodja said:
There's undeniable suppression after continuous usage, but there are degrees. For example, I've only experienced mild testicular atrophy even now except for when I ran tren. There was significant atrophy and even subsequent rebound after I came off of it.

There's a lot of bro lore on the topic as you'll read everywhere that you'll have zero testicular function after as long as I've been on. However, I just had a child in March without taking anything for fertility. I would've sworn I would be sterile, but I obviously was not.
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I recently experienced this. Was blasting Test at 500 for about a month before I started the Tren, no atrophy. Once Tren started it happened pretty quick. Once I dropped the Tren (kept the Test), they have totally rebounded.
 
Dma378 said:
I recently experienced this. Was blasting Test at 500 for about a month before I started the Tren, no atrophy. Once Tren started it happened pretty quick. Once I dropped the Tren (kept the Test), they have totally rebounded.
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Crazy, right?
 
Rodja said:
Well, test suppression is a result of other hormones being suppressed so I would say no, it is not the sole reason.
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Correct. And therefore by rule of anabolic bro-lore, I'm thinking whether or not I had testicular atrophy wouldnt be much of an indicator as to the degree of suppression either.
 
celc5 said:
Correct. And therefore by rule of anabolic bro-lore, I'm thinking whether or not I had testicular atrophy wouldnt be much of an indicator as to the degree of suppression either.
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Unless there's been some recent changes, it's the Leydig cells that mainly atrophy and they comprise ~10% of the testicular volume. However, there was far greater than that level of change when I was using tren and then a return to "normal" after about a month while still continuing to use test and mast (granted that mast isn't very suppressive at all). My main point that I was getting at is that all I've ever heard is that you'll have ZERO function or volume after continuous usage without hCG, which I have clearly found to be untrue.
 
Interesting reading

Topical dht seems to be marketed as a way for men to control the estrogenic sides associated with anti dht medications


Side note, how'd tren treat you?
 
Little update on the Masteron/AI situation that I just encountered. So I have decided to pct instead of cruising to next cycle. As stated above I had been running Mast for this entire cycle and AI usage was at a minimum, if at all, depending on how much Test I was running.

So I finished my last vial of Mast a couple weeks ago and was finishing my RAD cycle with Test Prop at 350mg/week and nips started itching and holding more water about 5 days after last Mast injection.

At 500-600mg of Test a week with Mast, I barely need any AI
At 350 mg of Test a week without Mast, I have had to maintain eod dosing with still some estro symptoms.

jbryand101b not sure if the Tren question was directed at me, but I love/hate the stuff. Can't cut on it, makes me ravenously hungry. So I grow like crazy. Also winds me up too tight. Pulse and BP and sleep issues...the usual bad makes it a grind. But more than body comp, I just like the gym on Tren. Stupid pump sweaty freakness.
 
jbryand101b said:
Interesting reading

Topical dht seems to be marketed as a way for men to control the estrogenic sides associated with anti dht medications


Side note, how'd tren treat you?
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Until I got a hiatal hernia, wonderfully. Everything was by far at its strongest ever while I was in the midst of the cycle.
 
Dma378 said:
Little update on the Masteron/AI situation that I just encountered. So I have decided to pct instead of cruising to next cycle. As stated above I had been running Mast for this entire cycle and AI usage was at a minimum, if at all, depending on how much Test I was running.

So I finished my last vial of Mast a couple weeks ago and was finishing my RAD cycle with Test Prop at 350mg/week and nips started itching and holding more water about 5 days after last Mast injection.

At 500-600mg of Test a week with Mast, I barely need any AI
At 350 mg of Test a week without Mast, I have had to maintain eod dosing with still some estro symptoms.

jbryand101b not sure if the Tren question was directed at me, but I love/hate the stuff. Can't cut on it, makes me ravenously hungry. So I grow like crazy. Also winds me up too tight. Pulse and BP and sleep issues...the usual bad makes it a grind. But more than body comp, I just like the gym on Tren. Stupid pump sweaty freakness.
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Rodja said:
Until I got a hiatal hernia, wonderfully. Everything was by far at its strongest ever while I was in the midst of the cycle.
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I enjoyed tren, it imo was by far the most effective compound I've ever used. Libido, strength, aggression, size, reducing bf on a daily basis.

Also sets my nipples on growth mode though. Last cycle I tossed 1/3rd of a vial cause if I didn't I was going to keep using it.

Only tried mast prop once but should of saved it cause I ran it at 400mg/week and didn't notice much.
 
jbryand101b said:
I enjoyed tren, it imo was by far the most effective compound I've ever used. Libido, strength, aggression, size, reducing bf on a daily basis.

Also sets my nipples on growth mode though. Last cycle I tossed 1/3rd of a vial cause if I didn't I was going to keep using it.

Only tried mast prop once but should of saved it cause I ran it at 400mg/week and didn't notice much.
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No mood or libido boost on 400mg/week on the mast?
 
For whatever reason, I don't get the same punch from short esters as I do mid-range esters. For example, mast p and mast e along with tren a and tren e treat me completely differently. I get much more positive effects from the enanthate versions versus the others.
 
Rodja said:
My main point is does anyone have experience using mast somewhat as an AI replacement for moderate usage? Also, pros and cons from the health perspective (price is irrelevant). As I've gotten leaner, my estrogen sensitivity has improved as well.
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FWIW

David Dunn said:
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David Dunn said:
I just had my annuals and this year it was my 50yo check-up. :D
Annual blood work is good.
Cardiology check-up is good.

Hormones results as follows:
(I am using Testosterone (125mg/w) and Masteron (140mg/w) split Sunday and Wednesday without AI)

Total Test (250-1100) - 620 (6 days post injection - doctor gets alarmed when too close to the range limit)
Free Testosterone (35-155) - 127
Estradiol (8-43) - 17
SHBG (10-50) - 37
DHEA-S (95-530) - 244
Pregnenolone (13-208) - 16
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Rodja said:
For whatever reason, I don't get the same punch from short esters as I do mid-range esters. For example, mast p and mast e along with tren a and tren e treat me completely differently. I get much more positive effects from the enanthate versions versus the others.
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Interesting I'll have to give it a shot next time around (no pun intended)
 
jbryand101b said:
Nope, I figured it was dosed too low. Was also running 500mg test e so was already feeling great an vibrant lol.
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400mg/week is definitely not too low. I'd be concerned with the source/quality. Not only is 400 a decent dose alone, but the amount of test it will free up by lowering SHBG is also pretty decent, you should've noticed a definite increase in something.... a big boost in the punch you're getting from the test and/or libido/drive/etc...
 
Gutterpump said:
400mg/week is definitely not too low. I'd be concerned with the source/quality. Not only is 400 a decent dose alone, but the amount of test it will free up by lowering SHBG is also pretty decent, you should've noticed a definite increase in something.... a big boost in the punch you're getting from the test and/or libido/drive/etc...
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Yea, I thought that, haven't used that source again
 
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