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Massive confusion for winter bulk. Deca only?

Since im getting a tren blend i wanted to know what the dosing frequency was? I searched everywhere and many people have different thoughts and opinions on this but surely i could go through with twice a week right? It does have acetate and i dont know if twice a week will put it to waste so what do u guys think? And i would rather not inject eod and get golf balls on my ass like i did last cycle.
Also on the 500/500 test tren cycle i will be running adex at 0.5 mg eod and will keep caber on hand.
I know most of u guys arent gonna suggest adding anything but what about any kickstart(wouldnt mind some temporary bloat if it packed on some good muscle)or running eq for 4 weeks before the cycle and continuing throughout?
Will also get blood work before this blast.
 
The tren ace will kick in immediately. An oral won't deliver any quicker results and a long ester for 4 weeks prior isnt needed either. Granted, if you were going to front load a long ester, EQ would be the choice but I do not recommend this at all as the two combined will send your hematocrit to absurdly high levels and will surely cause anxiety, high blood pressure & severe blood clotting.

But supporting supps need to be all the right stuff to keep arteries pliable, blood viscosity reasonable & blood pressure down as low as possible. That dose at that length is capable of trashing every single health marker on a CBC/CMP blood test.

I, along with many others, have spoken about this paramount subject over and over again on other threads and we have spelled out in great detail what and how to administer supporting supplements to keep the organs and blood healthy. Be properly equipped for this cycle or you will regret it.
 
fueledpassion said:
He is referring to items that keep your blood and organs healthy, not items that enhance Tren's ability.
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Could u tell me what these supps are as i have never been told about such supps except liver support and ancillaries.
Also twice a week of tren blend(tri-tren) is fine right?
 
JoeStethics said:
Could u tell me what these supps are as i have never been told about such supps except liver support and ancillaries.
Also twice a week of tren blend(tri-tren) is fine right?
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I've said it so many times before that I have to say that you first need to spend 15-30 minutes searching through various threads and find the discussions. You might even get lucky and find some posts that have the supplements w/ the research citations and links for places to purchase it.

I'll help you narrow your search by removing 75% or more of the noise from it. Search only posts by myself and only in the Anabolic forum.
 
fueledpassion said:
The biggest risks associated with long cycles without proper monitoring and supplementation is kidney damage and arterial health/excessive enlargement of the heart.

Both of these occur with high blood pressure. And no, just because you aren't getting nose bleeds or headaches doesn't mean your BP is ok. Being 10-20 points high on systolic and 7-15 points high on diastolic for a few years is enough to cause permanent damage to kidneys and an enlarged heart. It puts a lot of wear and tear on your organs and plumbing. Imagine an engine needing to run 80-120psi of oil pressure all the time - it would burn out the oil pump quickly just like we see in race engines. I'm not gonna bother to explain which body part correlates to the oil pump...

Couple that with the fact that many of these steroids at higher doses will causes abnornal blood clotting and can harden/collapse certain arteries as well, leading to an eventual stroke.

For every dollar you put into steroids, you need another dollar or two going into keeping your cardiovascular system healthy.
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Trying to pm you your box is jammed up
 
OP, I don't mean any disrespect, however:
1. You don't do any of your own research.
2. You are 19, taking Tren.
There will be jokes.
 
You just had a cycle with tren too, to fill in on what Nac said. Check your bloodworks and stop rushing things so much. most experienced people only do two cycles a year, you're on your second cycle after what? One/two months off from tren? Actually you're not even off cause youre on low dose test. people are helping you but nobody wants to advice a person that will harm himself. Just relax a little, give it a few months at the least..
 
After reading most of ur posts, even though no one linked anything to prove which is how much more harmful tren is than other steroids is and i shouldnt it give it another try, btw i am not going to start this blast now its in about 2 months most of u think im going to start asap. Since tren seemed so hazardous for my health what do u guys think of a test and npp blast for 10 weeks?
I was thinking something like Test/npp: 400/400 or 500/500 or 250/500
What do u think of this cycle for really putting on muscle mass and gaining some size with diet and training in check at around 4k calories a day. and i assume bloat will be high on 500/500 but how about 250/500.
AI dose will depend on test.
 
It's not that a tren cycle will kill you. Every cycle do damage on a body and the more you add and the higher the doses will of course increase the damage done.. I mean thats quite obvious. Theres a reason why people say wait until your body has stopped growing. It really isn't just about steroids, if we wanna be extremly serious alcohol shouldnt be consumed either.



Tren is the strongest out of all steroids without any doubt and i really don't care of someone says otherwise. Steroids are classified as medicin but tren isn't.. Tren isn't actually supposed to be used by humans at all.

Whenever you have a stronger steroids you'll mostly get better results but also much more sides. Tren is just one if not the steroid with most sides reported by people.


As a beginner you can get amazing results with small doses and less harmful gear. There's absolutely no reason to jump on 500 deca for you. It's too much cause you simply don't need it and it'll just give you more bloat. You'll get more results on 300 deca than an experienced will get with 500.

Overdose that thing just because you refuse to hear what people say is reckless..


Almost nobody starts with tren the second cycle and nobody starts with 500 on deca, nobody decides to cruise after a second cycle that includes tren. You're standing out, and honestly nobody really knows how bad this is for you but Jesus if he's out there. 300/300 is fine first cycle, if you think the tren cycle didn't do that much you either had a bad diet , you didn't work out hard enough, or you got some really weak gear. Considered what I personally got from my first test cycle alone I cannot imagine how you couldn't be happy with tren.


Now take a god damn chill pill and stop addning more and more and ask what people think. You don't need to go for the harshest compounds at a higher dose than you need it's that simple. Nobody is trying to make you loose muscles I promise you.

Nobody wants to feel responsible for you getting hurt that's all. Even if you will go for
500, why not just start a little lower and see where it goes? Can you tolerate this?. The higher you go the harder it is to recover = harder to keep the gains.
 
Chados said:
It's not that a tren cycle will kill you. Every cycle do damage on a body and the more you add and the higher the doses will of course increase the damage done.. I mean thats quite obvious. Theres a reason why people say wait until your body has stopped growing. It really isn't just about steroids, if we wanna be extremly serious alcohol shouldnt be consumed either.



Tren is the strongest out of all steroids without any doubt and i really don't care of someone says otherwise. Steroids are classified as medicin but tren isn't.. Tren isn't actually supposed to be used by humans at all.

Whenever you have a stronger steroids you'll mostly get better results but also much more sides. Tren is just one if not the steroid with most sides reported by people.


As a beginner you can get amazing results with small doses and less harmful gear. There's absolutely no reason to jump on 500 deca for you. It's too much cause you simply don't need it and it'll just give you more bloat. You'll get more results on 300 deca than an experienced will get with 500.

Overdose that thing just because you refuse to hear what people say is reckless..


Almost nobody starts with tren the second cycle and nobody starts with 500 on deca, nobody decides to cruise after a second cycle that includes tren. You're standing out, and honestly nobody really knows how bad this is for you but Jesus if he's out there. 300/300 is fine first cycle, if you think the tren cycle didn't do that much you either had a bad diet , you didn't work out hard enough, or you got some really weak gear. Considered what I personally got from my first test cycle alone I cannot imagine how you couldn't be happy with tren.


Now take a god damn chill pill and stop addning more and more and ask what people think. You don't need to go for the harshest compounds at a higher dose than you need it's that simple. Nobody is trying to make you loose muscles I promise you.

Nobody wants to feel responsible for you getting hurt that's all. Even if you will go for
500, why not just start a little lower and see where it goes? Can you tolerate this?. The higher you go the harder it is to recover = harder to keep the gains.
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Yeah i see ur point in most of what u said but i also thought of 300 mg of npp to be weak for my weight based on most threads, plus if it wasnt for the **** gear over here dosing wise everything would be different but i cant blame that on anyone of u guys.

Btw i dont think i mentioned that by the 6th week from my last cycle i switched to a bulk till i hit the 10 week mark and thats when i gained 11 lbs of muscle which was pretty impressive as i still looked dry and hard but the reason i still doubted that tren being weak was because of not feeling any sides but when i checked bp it was kinda a bit higher than normal most of the time.
A question i have is about receptors, now off cycle is the time where receptors clear out but when i cruise on test after stopping tren lets say, if i run tren again after 2 months would the receptors that reacted to tren have cleared up or not since im blasting and cruising?
 
It's less about receptor saturation and more about other mechanisms we don't fully understand that causes growth to slow to a screeching halt. Main thing to stay on top of is keeping body fat in the goldilock zone for growth, which for myself is between 8-12% BF. You need to be closer to 8 at the beginning of the bulk and end it around 12 at most. That gives you as much as 8-12lbs of fat gain you can add, which is an enormous amount while on something like Tren.

Anyways, know your health. Don't assume anything. If tou check out ok and evwrythinf is tracking in the right direction, forge ahead.
 
JoeStethics said:
Yeah i see ur point in most of what u said but i also thought of 300 mg of npp to be weak for my weight based on most threads, plus if it wasnt for the **** gear over here dosing wise everything would be different but i cant blame that on anyone of u guys.

Btw i dont think i mentioned that by the 6th week from my last cycle i switched to a bulk till i hit the 10 week mark and thats when i gained 11 lbs of muscle which was pretty impressive as i still looked dry and hard but the reason i still doubted that tren being weak was because of not feeling any sides but when i checked bp it was kinda a bit higher than normal most of the time.
A question i have is about receptors, now off cycle is the time where receptors clear out but when i cruise on test after stopping tren lets say, if i run tren again after 2 months would the receptors that reacted to tren have cleared up or not since im blasting and cruising?
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It'll clear up a little yes but it's not the same as when you stop it all together. Your body will stop producing muscles at any amount of test compared to what it does in the beginning
 
Tren, like Deca and NPP, is a 19 nor. It comes with a whole list of other side effects associated with 19 Nor's. Unlike it's Nandrolone cousins it was NOT made for human use.

Tren is harsher on lipids, kidneys and like it's cousins recovery. It is extremely powerful which is why people use it.

The only reason I advise NPP/Deca over tren, even if they are hard to recover from, is because at least with Nandrolone we have human studies and a lot less side effects.

19> I don't advise anything other than protein, creatine and food, but since you are dead set I would say Test and a kicker. You are however dead set on a 19 Nor, therefore I advise NPP>>Deca>tren for you.
 
Hey guys, i know i moved a lot with this **** but i thought it would be important to ask what u guys think if my pal got real grade 100% iranian deca from a pharmacy which comes in 25mg/1ml so i thought a dose of around 300 would be good enough but thats a **** ton of needles and hard time managing injections haha, buts its 100%, like with npp im still risking fake/counterfeit/how underdosed it is, while this is 100%, u think i should go for this?
 
JoeStethics said:
Hey guys, i know i moved a lot with this **** but i thought it would be important to ask what u guys think if my pal got real grade 100% iranian deca from a pharmacy which comes in 25mg/1ml so i thought a dose of around 300 would be good enough but thats a **** ton of needles and hard time managing injections haha, buts its 100%, like with npp im still risking fake/counterfeit/how underdosed it is, while this is 100%, u think i should go for this?
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Iran is a war torn country! It is the capitol of easy counterfeit! DVDs cost $1. But go for it, since it doesn't matter what's said
 
FRITZBLITZ said:
Iran is a war torn country! It is the capitol of easy counterfeit DVDs cost $1. But go for it, since it doesn't matter what's said
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please stop pixking 2-3 steroids out of your azz and asking "should i do this?" do your own research and stop asking opinions cuz nobody owes you links or copy/paste info to prove anything to you !
 
FRITZBLITZ said:
please stop pixking 2-3 steroids out of your azz and asking "should i do this?" do your own research and stop asking opinions cuz nobody owes you links or copy/paste info to prove anything to you !
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Im talking about choosing between npp and deca while knowing deca being 100% which is an achievement finding for all roid users, plus u stupid **** iran isnt a war torn country and when telling me to do my research (which my question wasnt about) how about u check what is going on in iran or how its doing since of just calling it a war torn failed state and believing what ur tv shows u :)
I am not diving into any politics but i am just saying how u throwing such a stupid statement then saying i need to do my research is ironic.
2-3 steroids out of my ass because npp and deca is a discussion where i am going going really far off in compounds now am i?
 
Just go deca and make it easy for you, law pinning and at 300 I dont think you'll experience a lot of sides but then again, we're all different. If I'd go for a kickstarter I'd vote for tbol for the most lean mass but it's expensive and a bit harder to find. I'd never keep test higher than deca. Keep it a little lower or equal as deca.

Let's say you'll go for 3 compounds and you decide to skip an oral, primo or masteron would be my option. Primo expensive and often fake, masteron with very little gains but extremly good as a finnisher.

You could go dbol, anavar, or winstrol instead of tbol but I personally don't like dbol except for the strenght gains, winstrol is the best finnisher here in my opinion and tbol is just a little better to build mass than winstrol and var. It all depends on what you want, nobody here can know what the gains will be like and what suits best for your body for (you) to be happy.

If you can afford primo it's gonna be a sweet stack with primo being mild on the sides and extremly clean and easy to keep gains.
 
Chados said:
Just go deca and make it easy for you, law pinning and at 300 I dont think you'll experience a lot of sides but then again, we're all different. If I'd go for a kickstarter I'd vote for tbol for the most lean mass but it's expensive and a bit harder to find. I'd never keep test higher than deca. Keep it a little lower or equal as deca.

Let's say you'll go for 3 compounds and you decide to skip an oral, primo or masteron would be my option. Primo expensive and often fake, masteron with very little gains but extremly good as a finnisher.

You could go dbol, anavar, or winstrol instead of tbol but I personally don't like dbol except for the strenght gains, winstrol is the best finnisher here in my opinion and tbol is just a little better to build mass than winstrol and var. It all depends on what you want, nobody here can know what the gains will be like and what suits best for your body for (you) to be happy.

If you can afford primo it's gonna be a sweet stack with primo being mild on the sides and extremly clean and easy to keep gains.
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Hmm well i wasnt thinking of using any oral as i wanted to give my liver a long break from orals till this summer where i hop on a strong cutting cycle, plus i might order some ligandrol (LGD-4033) and run it for 8 weeks at 10 mg alongside the cycle which till now im sure of using 250 test but is 300 deca for my weight good 227 lbs at 12% body? I heard about 2mg/lb of bodyweight but that would be too high, and also about using something as a finisher if i were to get winstrol or anavar but still eat like i was throughout the cycle to bulk what would be the point of that?
So far its 250 test/300-400 deca(waiting on input)/10 mg ligandrol/ if i did add eq 600-800.
 
There is something i dont understand its when i ask u guys what u think or ask for ur opinions most of u assume that i just want u to spoon feed me and tell me what to do(which is ironic saying i never listen too) but this is a thread and if it annoys u that much that i wanna plan out my cycle hearing as many different opinions and thoughts on many different theories and ways of running this **** then please **** off.
 
Youre telling people to fuk off out of a thread which is against the rulez anyway?

I usually dont give a fuk if underage goobers want to cycle AAS, but hoky fuk some of the crap youve posted makes me SMH.

So,

its your party and Ill troll if I want to,
troll if I want to,
troll if I want to
youre crying when youre breaking te rulez
Da-da-da-da-daaaaa
 
mike33511 said:
This thread should have ended 5 pages ago. Pick your cycle and run it, kid. No one cares anymore.
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Are you not entertained? Its obvious the OP has approval addition. He keeps asking “what do you guys think” and with how indecisive he’s been and flip flopped what he’s going to run, lacks self confidence. Once he got criticized for saying he’s starting next week, he changed his story to: its for 2 months from now. People are fascinating.
 
JoeStethics said:
Im talking about choosing between npp and deca while knowing deca being 100% which is an achievement finding for all roid users, plus u stupid **** iran isnt a war torn country and when telling me to do my research (which my question wasnt about) how about u check what is going on in iran or how its doing since of just calling it a war torn failed state and believing what ur tv shows u :)
I am not diving into any politics but i am just saying how u throwing such a stupid statement then saying i need to do my research is ironic.
2-3 steroids out of my ass because npp and deca is a discussion where i am going going really far off in compounds now am i?
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Sorry to insult you your Eminence, you seem pretty stupid for the ambasidor of iran! i've been in the area and your punk azz is giving me a lesson lmfao. why dont you get off minecraft and do some self education . you know less about AAS than my grandmother pinning for palates haha. your a joke that needs more brains and less brawn. dont do tren pin some ginko baloba or something that makes you less of a retard
 
CarneyFolk said:
Are you not entertained? Its obvious the OP has approval addition. He keeps asking “what do you guys think” and with how indecisive he’s been and flip flopped what he’s going to run, lacks self confidence. Once he got criticized for saying he’s starting next week, he changed his story to: its for 2 months from now. People are fascinating.
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The only scenario of me starting next week would be with the eq and/or deca which are really long esters but ever since the plan started to change to test/npp test/tren i mentioned that i would wait for around 2 months which means another month and a half and i would have had the same time off as time on and started the blast.
And how the **** is it weird that im flip flopping over what to blast i mean its not really that easy just picking one cycle without going over it or atleast thinking of something else man.
 
**** it i decided to hop on test/deca/eq with ligandrol.
250/350-450/600-800
0.5mg adex m w f
will keep caber on hand
Will be taking fish oil,multivitamins, and magnesium, maybe some coq10, potassium, drinking lots of cranberry.
Will run the test and eq for 16 weeks and deca will be dropped at either 12 or 14.
Might start from 350 deca for first 4-5 weeks then move up a bit.
Any other tips for bloat other than diet?(gonna keep it as clean and strict as possible).
 
You're not gonna bloat on that cycle. The thing the would potentioally bloat you is test and you're running it low. Deca is not a bloater if you don't go crazy on it of course and eq is definitely not a bloater.

Deca is a nadrolone and people tend to compare it to tren cause of that and theres no point comparing them
 
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