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Mass gains on Epi

About how far into your epi cycles do you begin to see the mass gains from epi? I am 18 days in on my current cycle pushing 60 mg ED of methyl E and while i have experienced some enhanced vascularity and some strength improvements, I have not seen the mass that i've been expecting. The last time i ran epi it was my first time and I ran IBE's epistane, and by about day 12 I was already seeing those dry, lean mass gains. Perhaps it was because it was my first cycle with epi though. How long does it take for you guys to see the mass come in on epi?
 
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