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Marijuana and Bodybuilding

SinisterK9 said:
I really don't care who smokes and who doesn't. Everyone's business is their own so long as it doesn't effect me or my family in a negative way.

I think the higher ups in our government would have you believe that MJ is the root of all evil in the world.
And I think that many MJ smokers would have you believe that MJ will magically cure all the worlds problems.
I'm not going to take a pot smokers word on weed anymore than I'm going to take a DEA agents.

I firmly believe that America ought to have permanant polling stations in place for just such decisions as this. I think the POTUS ought to let the citizens of the US vote. If they want it, then so be it. If not, then no.
Or better yet, make sure each state clearly defines their own laws regarding MJ. Then get rid of the federal criminalization. That way if you want to live in a state that has it, move there. If you want to live somewhere that has values to the contrary, then live there.

That said, considerations in the law would have to be made too. Police would have to develop the ability to immediately screen you on the side of the road when it is reasonably believed you are operating under the influence. While a FST/FSM Horizontal Gaze Nystagmus is very effective in determining whether or not you are under the influence of some sort of substance or alcohol, I've never seen a portable breath test for weed which can determine how "high" you are. Then again, maybe it exist and I am simply unaware.

Laws would also have to be conceived. How much can you smoke and still operate a vehicle? What if you consume XX amount of alcohol with XX amount of weed? Is there a formula to determine any compound effects, and a way to test them both scientifically speaking (on the side of the highway). How old do you have to be to consume? Do you have to buy it from a store, or can you grow your own? If you grow your own do you have to have a license? And so on and so forth.

The short point of my long post is this:
I don't see the problem with legalizing if it is a well thought out, and rational process.
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make us all go to cali? then they bomb us and rewrite the constitution from scratch!! lol just messin....nice post

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i for one am sick and tired of more bad goverment ....... and as far as sending people to jail for ''smokin pot''..............there are so many murders and rapes in my town ....i want to see them 'perps' in jail........
 
charley said:
i for one am sick and tired of more bad goverment ....... and as far as sending people to jail for ''smokin pot''..............there are so many murders and rapes in my town ....i want to see them 'perps' in jail........
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Understandably we all wish the serious crimes were always the only thing cops worried about. Unfortunately to deal with bigger stuff it often involves dealing with the smaller stuff too. Much like the way New York City was cleaned using principles such as the 'broken windows theory'. Much of the basis for the entire theory is to deal with small things, which in turn can actually deter larger and more serious crimes.

I see no reason to send someone to jail for simply smoking a joint. For example, in my state about 1 oz or less gets you nothing but a ticket. But obviously if you get caught selling, or if you have a larger amount on you, you could find yourself in trouble.
Many states go plenty easy on you so long as you keep what's in your possession at their designated low or personal use level and aren't selling.
So if you aren't selling, and haven't given the authorities probable cause to be on your property or in your auto then you should be alright.

Funny enough, in my state, you could smoke a joint, drink alcohol from an open container (no state law against open container or drinking and driving), and have a loaded handgun in the car with no permit (car is considered and extension of your home), and you would probably just be looking at a ticket, so long as you weren't impaired/beyond the legal limit.

I'm not saying the system is great. But I am saying that we are all aware of the law, and you really have to evaluate the risk versus reward when you choose to break the law. Whether that be traffic violations, drinking, drug use, firearms, and so on and so forth.

For example, I work on a military (DoD) installation. Simple rules for visitors include no drugs, or weapons in the vehicle, or on the person. Prior to entry, your vehicle will be thoroughly searched. If you have anything in your vehicle you are advised to turn it around and leave before we search and find it. Its as simple as it gets. If you have contraband in the vehicle then leave, and get rid of it, or give it to a friend, or hide it elsewhere, etc, then come back.
Yet daily we find drugs, usually on truckers or contractors. Guess what happens. We don't arrest anyone. The local police show up and write a simple ticket (if it's MJ). But what does happen is they are banned from the installation, and that's a great way for them to lose their jobs and contracts all because they couldn't follow the simplest of rules, even after they were offered one last chance. Risk versus reward.

Pick and choose your battles. If you have enough on you, you get caught, and end up in jail for a few years, you can always sit in a jail/prison cell and take comfort in the ideology that the system is unfair.

And again, I support legalization if it's done in a responsible manner.
 
SinisterK9......''If you have enough on you, you get caught, and end up in jail for a few years, you can always sit in a jail/prison cell and take comfort in the ideology that the system is unfair.''.......[your quote]....

.....to take comfort in the fact that the system is 'unfair&unjust' ......is a little bit beyond me.....
 
charley said:
SinisterK9......''If you have enough on you, you get caught, and end up in jail for a few years, you can always sit in a jail/prison cell and take comfort in the ideology that the system is unfair.''.......[your quote]....

.....to take comfort in the fact that the system is 'unfair&unjust' ......is a little bit beyond me.....
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Don't take it too literal. It was just a passing joke. Basically I was saying, if you break the law, and get caught, why bother blaming anyone but yourself? And no, I don't mean you personally, I'm just speaking about people in general.
 
Not a mod, not in on the conversation, can't find anything recent that's even close to how maniacal, antagonistic, violent and generally over-the-top he's typically been; given how extreme he's typically been, I can't really imagine what finally got his ticket punched....

Of all the AM folks we've ever had, he was my first choice for "most likely to be shot by police while on a murderous rampage". Really, how he lasted as long here as he did just amazes me.

Not much of an answer for ya, bud - but the best I got.
 
Plenty of guys in the Italian Mafia used drugs. It may have contributed to their downfall. A lot of the bosses forbid it. They believe it attracted to much attention. However, when the street crews were kicking the big money up the ladder, the bosses looked the other way. They did not want to know to much, they just liked the money. By the 80s, some families with the help of their Sicilian and southern Italian cousins were involved in the drug trade and at one point they were very powerful. I think the stuff was being distributed in tomato paste in pizza shops all over the eastern United States.
 
SinisterK9............ are you PMO?
 
TripDog said:
Some of my best workouts ever I was stoned...:)
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I've worked out high before. If I'm really stoned, my workout dips a little bit. But if I'm just a little high, my workouts are usually better. Especially if you take a good pre-workout supp right after you smoke. It's like your amped and your mind-muscle connection is increased.
 
I feel like I burn out quicker when im loaded
 
What...........it helps pick up women....right?
 
KJR246 said:
I'm sure that's if eaten.

Also estrogenic: Oats, wheat, berries, beans, apples, carrots, and flax. Most veggies and fruits are, and so is some meat. It's not a problem.
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Show me studies for the above that say something similar. I am open to that. I am just pointing out that smoking weed seems to be counterproductive to BBing. And it does affect motivation sooner or later.
 
i was a big time stoney years ago so i always have some bias when talking about cannabis but i think it is not benefiecial to bbing, its more counterproductive imo, at least in the way it effects me it would not help me at all and would probably keep me from going to the gym as often as id like.
 
conwict said:
And it does affect motivation sooner or later.
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Making a statement such as "Marijuana does affect motivation sooner or later" is dumb. It will vary from person to person.

This forum could go on forever. Someone would post a study saying marijuana increases estrogen or something else. Then someone will post another study saying it doesn't.

It comes down to this. If smoking weed helps you then do it. You know if it is counterproductive or not for you personally.

I quit recently because it doesn't help me. When I smoke I would rather watch TV and eat junk food. I do know lots of people who smoke on a regular basis and are very productive people.

Just do what makes you happy.
 
In my 5 year span of recreational 'dank' use... smoking to much too often throughout the day makes me very lazy and often leads to procrastination. But, the feeling of the first toke of the day after a great workout and the tingling sensation in the forehead is great! I only smoke once a day now and when i do its after my workout before i eat, usually while im cooking... Imagine trying to hike up a mountain being stoned, doing that sober is hard enough. . i dont think being stoned while working out would be helpfull at all.
 
crowpass said:
In my 5 year span of recreational 'dank' use... smoking to much too often throughout the day makes me very lazy and often leads to procrastination. But, the feeling of the first toke of the day after a great workout and the tingling sensation in the forehead is great! I only smoke once a day now and when i do its after my workout before i eat, usually while im cooking... Imagine trying to hike up a mountain being stoned, doing that sober is hard enough. . i dont think being stoned while working out would be helpfull at all.
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I took 1 rip off a bong on Friday pre-work out and I hit chest/triceps, I must say it was fukking awesome! Mind and muscle connection was better than its ever been! I could see being too high causing problems, but 1 rip was productive for me.
 
is it just me but if you smoke when you are sore..........does it make your muscles hurt worse?
 
conwict said:
Show me studies for the above that say something similar. I am open to that. I am just pointing out that smoking weed seems to be counterproductive to BBing. And it does affect motivation sooner or later.
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It makes me calm down after a workout much faster. I've been smoking for years and haven't seen any lack of motivation. If you're serious about BBing, then weed shouldn't affect it.
 
I smoke pot everyday. Although sometimes it does make me a bit lethargic, I experience no other side effects. It helps with my focus and mind muscle connection, my apppetite can be either suppressed or increased by how much I choose to smoke, and I seem to recover well using it.
 
KJR246 said:
It makes me calm down after a workout much faster. I've been smoking for years and haven't seen any lack of motivation. If you're serious about BBing, then weed shouldn't affect it.
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i dont think that is true, that if you are serious then it shouldnt effect you. If you are like me and get some anxiety from it then going to the gym to workout around a bunch of people isnt fun anymore. I consider myself to be pretty serious but if i smoked weed all the time i would just be vegging out, i dont like to be in public much if im stoned, i trip enough as it is from it already. Home gym? now that might be a different story.
 
planetfuzz, everything's a generalization ;)

Especially with weed there is a lot of crap to wade through because there is a definite motive to make it look worse than it is.

But come on man...are you gonna say "Coke makes it harder to experience pleasure over time," "Meth makes your skin bad," and "MDMA makes you more prone to severe depression down the line" are generalizations too? If so, what the hell's the point of discussing ANYTHING?
 
conwict said:
planetfuzz, everything's a generalization ;)

Especially with weed there is a lot of crap to wade through because there is a definite motive to make it look worse than it is.

But come on man...are you gonna say "Coke makes it harder to experience pleasure over time," "Meth makes your skin bad," and "MDMA makes you more prone to severe depression down the line" are generalizations too? If so, what the hell's the point of discussing ANYTHING?
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Just for the record, THC is way, way softer than any of those other compounds. I've actually seen caffeine categorized as being a harder drug than THC. And I know alcohol is.

Smoking does have some drawbacks, especially if done every day. Ideally you could smoke occasionally and it would be completely fine in my opinion. If you just smoked a few times a month I doubt you would have to worry about any negative health benefits.

And as far as pot having a negative effect on bodybuilding, I've made some progress with my physique in the time where I was smoking pot on a regular basis. Now I'm not saying I couldn't have made more progress had I not been smoking, but I don't think smoking will hinder progress.

Think about how many people drink on a regular basis while trying to succeed in bodybuilding. Now those are the persons who should be talked to! ;)
 
i'm not trying to offend anyone or anything. i'm 19 years old i weight 187 with 9 percent body fat. ive never used real gear. i smoke before i workout everyday. also i smoke before football games.i believe it all depends on the person. like someone stated earlier if you drink a pre- workout shake, smoke , and than lift it feels awesome. i feel very focused in the gym. also i eat like a horse haha. p.s. do not drink no- explode before a play off game bad idea
 
look guys.......i'm in the gym.....its monday......i just smoked a fatty......doing chest...
drinking some 'extreme shock'...... with my gym partner......its a beautiful thing......
its my only social time in my day.......the rest of the day its work or hang with my wife...
 
^^lol, I imagined that guy as sounding like Humpty Hump @ 1:40.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeixrdnlKSA"]YouTube - Murs - Risky Business(ft. Shock G and Humpty)[/ame]
 
planetfuzz said:
Making a statement such as "Marijuana does affect motivation sooner or later" is dumb. It will vary from person to person.

This forum could go on forever. Someone would post a study saying marijuana increases estrogen or something else. Then someone will post another study saying it doesn't.

It comes down to this. If smoking weed helps you then do it. You know if it is counterproductive or not for you personally.

I quit recently because it doesn't help me. When I smoke I would rather watch TV and eat junk food. I do know lots of people who smoke on a regular basis and are very productive people.

Just do what makes you happy.
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AMEN!
 
thaOrleanyte said:
is it just me but if you smoke when you are sore..........does it make your muscles hurt worse?
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Last time I lit a joint(a long time ago..Texada blueberry timewarp x Mightymite..)was when I pulled my back out after pushing a 1 ton for a jump start(and slipping ><) then doing retardly heavy squats after I slightly tweaked it. The next morning I couldn't move. They gave me T-3's (shite) I hated them, so I said wth, I was saving this beaner for something special, this is it. Worst mistake I could have made. At first it was grand I was like ahhh..but then my muscles started twitching randomly in my back and I was on the floor yelling in agony.Never again for back pain thats for sure.Now the Oxycotones they gave me were heavenly...I used the rest of the bottle they gave me when I put a nail through my big toe(Bone infection sucks, go to the hospital do not keep working and bieng a dumbass like I did).:rant:
As for mind/muscle benefits....I had the WORST workouts when I was baked. So I only used it PW for appetite, with which well it works awesome lol.:laugh:
 
I know this has been taken too far, but I agree:

Legalize it. It's the only way. Cannabis is harmless, it's just been maligned by conservative f***tards who also think gays are part of some evil plot to take over the world (or manipulate us to think so).

I don't smoke anymore, as I am tested randomly at work and it tends to make me paranoid unless I combine it with the right mix of chems.

However, given the choice I loved doing it while skiing especially if I had access to some ephedra. Pot turns my brain off, which is no small feat; the ephedra makes me feel like superman. Nothing more fun than this combination for me.
 
im sad to say i smoke at least once a day... a long time ago i started smoking weed as if it were tobacco. when i dont smoke i turn into a three a day workout monster. which is not a bad thing

I think weed ruins unhealthy lifestlyes... if i can limit myself to smoking everyother day? ill be on the next step to living greater.

and as for legalization? just another way for the gov. to limit its peoples goals... Holidays condition us to look forward to taking a break... the TV, gives us something to do while we do nothing... and weed? ive been smoking since middle school... there is not a doubt in my mind, weed is not at all benificial... just another form of tv.
 
All right folks, here 'tis, if anybody has any kids in the room send 'em to bed...

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k15zWAB_M0E&feature=PlayList&p=3E80336E0355A1A0&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=20"]YouTube - Sponge-Bong Hemp Pants[/ame]

Spongebong! For all u stoners in the forum...
 
i spent a good 2 years smoking very regularly, and i have to say i never had as much motivation during that time. I didnt get really big into lifting again until considerably after i stopped smoking.
 
I think I've stated my oppinion in this thread like 5 times already but o well I will stand up for cannabis all day long. I love smoking before almost any sport, especially basketball...but I never did it before school or AAU games, just pick up games at the gym. It's hard to say if its that beneficial, but I find it much easier to fully commit to the game and get "in the zone" pretty quick. When I didn't smoke I would be completely aware of what I was doing at all times during pre-game warmups, almost self conscious. No one plays well self-conscious. Being high and playing just lets me go off and play freely and utilize the energy from the high to really focus hard on my posture and body position/control while simultaneously playing balls to the wall. It's hard to explain how it slows the game down for you so much and you just get into a zone where nothing can break your competitive spirits. It just gives your mind superpowers IMO, and the more frequently you smoke, the better you learn to harness that mental energy and convert it to improved physical performance. Also it improves your senses so court vision, which is a huge part of the game in the higher levels, improves dramatically (at least in my experience -- throwing no look passes because you can sense where your teammate should be in relation to where you last saw him taking into account which way he was moving. As far as the bodybuilding aspect, I find that marijuana improves my focus and it allows me to gain a better conscious control my intensity level. My breathing becomes extremely well controlled and smooth before and during sets. That being said, I rarely smoke before I lift, but I almost always smoke one with my boys after I get all my post workout nutrition...Over the summer my boys and I all play football at different colleges but we come to my friends house to work out. He has a ton of land and money for weights, so we lift outside and run sprints and agility drills and routes, all while getting a tan in the process. I'm sure you can see the benefits, to 4 college football players, of training outside on private property. Personally I take about 3 hits of dank weed between each exercise I do, while I'm still amp'd and in the lifting mode. And if you sip on a pre-workout every time you take a smoke break, it offsets the lethargic and content to be doing nothing feeings weed can bring to the wrong smokers. Furthermore, it keeps you in good spirits as you push through intese football type workouts dominated by explosive, heavy, full body movements (Cleans, Snatches, Deads, Squats, Preses) followed by agility work and sprints. We throw in isolation and bodybuilding type movements toward the end of each workout mainly for the pump and to shape everything up proper. We're all running backs or safeties so we gotta look good. My advice, if you're going to smoke before a workout for the mind muscle connection benefits, make sure you do some type of warm up first so all the blood is flowin and your body and mind feel ready for an intense workout. Sometimes I've smoked a hit or two before going in the gym and I just had terrible intensity and got all self conscious and nervous. Mood prior to the smoke controls every bit of the high,
 
In college I smoked about 10 blunts a day, didn't do ****, quit football, got lazy....

Now that I am in the real world and have a job I love to workout, im never lazy, and I still smoked, about one joint per night, it just helps me wind down and relax.

As far as smoking before lifting, I can't really do that because I workout on my break and I don't want to be high at work. But, If I smoke a blunt and get super baked im worthless in the gym... If i only smoke a bit, catch a nice little buzz, it actually gets me pumped up and I concentrate quite a bit especially with loud music!

I love weed, I will smoke it till the day I die...... Its better on the body than going out and getting shitfaced though!
 
Also, if you live in California you can get a scrip and go to dispensaries (I know, you can usually get a better deal thru your friendly local dealer), but they have stuff you can't usually find in the US market easily (hash, keef, tinctures, butter, etc.)

When I lived there and my friend came to town I was able to procure some nice stuff for him; he was super stoked.
 
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