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Many cycles explained and outlined, (STICKY?)

nephilim666

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I have decided to make this in an attempt to reduce the ammount of cycle construction questions and offer my personal insight into many compounds. I am not a doctor, nor do i condone the use of anabolic steroids. i am meerly providing information reguarding cycling of these compounds. There ARE health risks to the use of anabolic steroids but they are exagurated and most of them are controllable. The problems with AAS is that people are not educated and improperly abuse these powerful drugs. BLOOD WORK AT A DOCTORS OFFICE SHOULD BE CONDUCTED PRIOR TO BEGINNING ANY STEROID REGIMENT

There are many types of cycles people choose to run for different reasons. in this post i will focus on A.A.S and many ways in which to cycle them based on goals intended. Remember diet plays a major role in any training regiment chemicaly enhanced or not, and a proper understanding of diet and training should be established ( say 3 years of lifting naturaly ) before one should begin to look into chemical enhancement. REMEMBER PCT IS NESSESARY AFTER ALL CYCLES.

How to decide what catagory you fall under. This is not hard...

Beginner= has never cycled before, has done 1 or 2 cycles using PH's and has no real cycle experience. has been training atleast 3 years seriously and knows the commitment that aas require, has a very good knowledge of diet and how to train properly. IS OVER 21 YEARS OLD

Intermediate= Has used a.a.s before but nothing extreme and only one or two times, has knowledge of ancillaries and pct. knows how to acess sides. solid diet and training

Advanced= Has used A.a.s for years and has full knowledge of pct and supporting supps. has full knowledge of ones own body and can acess sides down to a T. Perfected diet and knows body well enough to train for specific goals ie bulking, scuplting, recomp, cutting.

Beginner Bulking cycles. - All beginner cycles should focus around the compound testosterone, as it is the most versitile compound with the most proven results and most manageable side effects. A person new to AAS must also be aware of the commitement and level of maturity that it requires. Do not expect to look like ronnie coleman after one cycle and do not expect to do it without working much harder than you are used to. DIET is 80% of your gains and PCT is important if you want to keep your muscle gains as well as your sex drive

1. Test Enanthate or Cypionate at 500mg for 10-12 weeks. The length of this cycle will be up to the user, one with no prior experience to any type of hormonal anabolics should stick to 10 weeks while one with experience with potential side effects can opt for twelve. This will provide slow and steady gains in mass and strength while giving the first time user a chance to become acustomed to managing a cycle of this length. controlling estrogen can be accomplished with the use of Arimidex at .25mg ED or Tamoxifen 10mg ED.

2. Test Enanthate or Cypionate at 500mg for 10-12 weeks + Dianabol or Turinabol for 6 weeks at 25mg ED. The length of this cycle will be up to the user, one with no prior experience to any type of hormonal anabolics should stick to 10 weeks while one with experience with potential side effects can opt for twelve.This will give a person with cycle experience ( say PH's ) the ability to run a cycle with the added benefit of an oral jumpstart. This will provide lean gains and a quick strength boost. Estrogen again will need to be controlled with Arimidex .25mg ED or Tamoxifen 10mg ED.

3. Test Propinate 150mg EOD for 6 weeks. This will give the user looking for a shorter and dryer cycle a chance to try testosterone out. The gains will come quicker and with the use of Epistane at 20-30 mg ED will eliminate excess estrogen and provide increased gains in muslce mass and strength. PCT will be easier and gains will be retained better.

Intermediate Cycling. These are for users accustomed to cycling but looking for more out of their cycles. The length increases sligtly and the compounds used will also change here. NOT RECOMMENDED FOR FIRST TIMERS. Any of these cycles can be jumpstarted with an oral such as Dbol or Tbol but this is not nessesary as these are focused on slow quality gains.

1. Test E or C at 500mg for 14 weeks. Deca Durabolin at 400mg for 12 weeks. THis will provide the user with a secondary long estered anabolic focused on wetter gains and increased strength with the added benefit of joint support. This cycle will give the user a smoother look but will provide more mass gains. Deca will also increase the chance of Gyno so estrogen will need to be controlled with Arimidex or Tamoxifen.

2. Test E or C 500mg for 14 weeks + Equipoise at 400mg for 12 weeks. This is another approach to a long estered bulking cycle but with EQ instead of DECA. this will give the user a dryer and harder appearence but with less of a mass building effect. Vascularity will increase and appetite will increase, which is helpful for bulking. Estrogen should not be a problem as EQ will aromatise less then testosterone, but having a SERM on hand is NESSESARY.

3. Test Pripionate at 150mg Every other day + Nandrolone Phenylpropionate 75mg EOD( NPP ). THe short acting version of DEca will provide immideate gains in size and strength but again with increased chance of gyno so AI + SERm should be kept on hand.

Advanced Bulking Cycles. These cycles are ideal for experienced a.a.s users who feel they have hit a rut with their normal cycle protocols and are looking for a competetors cycle. These are rough on the body and require doctors supervision as well as a strong insight into PCT and estrogen management. The use of Human Growth Hormone ( HGH ) is an option for experienced users over the age of 25. 4ui ED is common dose and should be run for 6 months on 6 months off.

1. Test E or C at 1000mg EW for 15 week+ Deca 600mg EW for 14 weeks + Dbol 50mg ED for 4-6 weeks. this will provide serious increases in mass as well as strength. The chance of gyno is much greater with these doses and the use of a stronger AI such as extremesin or letrozle is not only advised but strongly recommended. HCG will be nessesary for pct as well as clomid and tamoxifen.

2. Test E at 1g EW for 14 weeks + Tren Enanthate at 300mg EW no longer then 8 weeks + Anadrol 50mg ed for 3 weeks. Tren is never advised for anyone without serious cycle experience for it is the strongest anabolic PERIOD and will cause a host of undesierable side effects ranging from increased BP to mood swings and loss of libido. Estrogen management is nessesary and HCG will be nessesary for PCT. This cycle will provide the user with some serious increases in mass as well as the best strength gains around. initial water retention is unavoidable with the anadrol but the strength gains are unmatched.

3. Test E 1g EW 15 weeks. Eq or Primo 600mg EW 14 weeks. Tbol 1-6 50mg ED. This will aid in mass gains as well as give the user a dry and hard look and feel as the Eq or PRimo are both dry compounds. Water retention will be less than that with wetter compounds like deca but still possible because of the high doses of test. AI will be needed but in lower dose or strength than that of previous cycles. HCg will be needed on pct and BP should be monitored.

4. The Nephilim Cycle- i dont advise ever doing this.
-Test C 1g weeks 1-16
-Primobolan 800mg weeks 1-16
-Tbol 1-6 50mg
-Slin 4 on 4 off 12ui
-Igf-1 lr3 4 on 4 off ( alternating with the slin ) 60mcg immideatly PWO ( credit goes to grunt76 for this)
-HGh 4ui Ed 6months on 6 months off
- Blood tests done every 2 weeks, doctor specialised in chemical enhancement.
- pct
Tamoxifen 40/40/20/20/20/10
Clomid 100/50/25/0/0/0
Hcg 1500ui E3d weeks 16-19
Pcs 3 caps ED weeks 16-22
ALbuterol 50-60mcg ED 20-22
cycle support weeks 1-25
 
cutting cycles

when it comes to cutting cycles there is not quite as many solid options as with bulking, i will outline 3 basic cutting cycles ranging from new user to experienced user.

A cutting cycle will not make a user " shredded " or give them "abs". Without proper diet and training knowledge these cycles should not be used as a firt cycle and not without prior experience with anabolics

Beginner cutting cycle
Test Prop 100mg Eod + epistane 30mg ED both for 6 weeks. along with proper training and nutrition this will provide the user with muscle retention and bodyfat reduction as well as strength gains and muscle hardness. Estrogen should not be a problem and PCt will be a breeze. The lower dose of test is used to avoid estrogen spillover which will cause water retention.

Intermediate CUtting cycle.

Test Prop at 100mg EOD + Winstrol 50mg ED for 6 weeks. Winstrol is stronger than it is given credit for and should not be used by beginners. This will provide the user with increased muscle hardness and BF reduction. WInstrol exhibits anti-estrogen properties and no AI or SErm should be needed on cycle but should as always be kept on hand. Pct should be slightly rougher than the previous cycle and HCG is recommended just in case.

Advanced Cutting Cycle.

Test Prop at 100 mg Eod ( 6 weeks)+ Tren Acetate 75mg Eod ( 6 weeks) + Winstrol 50mg Eod ( only the last 4 weeks). PRobably the most popular pre contest stack, This will provide unparralelled muslce hardness and will give the user a hard and striated look. Strenght gains from this cycle will be outstanding and vascularity will greately improve. Side effects will be heavier than with any other cycle outlined and a Doctors supervision is recommended. Hcg will be needed on pct and a Serm should be kept on hand and also used during Pct.
 
Pct briefly explained. after sucession of a cycle ones natural hormone levels are supressed due to the body getting lazy because it is getting its hormones from exogeneous sources. This is an important time because low hormones levels will lead to many problems. Estrogen will take over and the user will lose muslce mass, get fat, lose muslce density, experience depression, and possibly lose his sex drive ( NOOO!! ).

PCt start times

anadrol= 24 hours after last dose
deca Durabolin = 21 days after last shot
dianabol or Turinabol= 24 hours after lats pill
equipose= 17-20 days after last shot
Epistane= 24 hours after last pill
Trenbolone Acetate= 3 days after last shot
primobolan = 14 days after last shot
sustanon/omandron = 18 days after last shot ( decanoate ester is estimated up to a month )
testosterone cypionate= 18 days after last shot
testosterone enanthate= 14 days after last shot
testosterone propionate and NPP= 3 days after last shot
winstrol= 24 hours after last administration ( oral or IM are the same )
HCG is to be used during the gap between the sucession of cycle and the start of pct, should be used no longer then 3 weeks from the end of pct.

Tamoxifen will help increase the production of natural testosteron as well as regulate estrogen . Doses of 40mg for 2 weeks and 20mg for 2 weeks is the going norm for pct.

CLomid is a 2nd option. CLomid should be used no longer then 2 weeks because it is somewhat unnessesary after that time and will make the user emotional. DOses of 100mg for week1 and 50mg for week 2 are most common and should never be used as the sole pct.

Hcg will stimulate the Body;s Lh production. doses of 250iu to 500iu everyday for 2 to 3 weeks is what most users find sufficient. The use of HCG should be discontiuned 3 weeks prior to the sucession of PCT as it can be considered somewhat supressive.

example of SHort cycle pct ( 4-6 weekers )

Tamoxifen 40/40/20/20
Clomid 100/50/0/0

Example pct for long estered cycles (10-16 weekers )

Tamoxifen 40/40/20/20
Clomid 100/50/0/0
Hcg ( after last shot of long estered testosterone) 500ui Eod for 3 weeks.
THe use of an anti cortisol is also recommended starting the beginning of Week 2 and going until week 5.

Post Cycle Support by Anabolic Innovations should be used during all pct's and Cycle Support during and after the cycle to aid with BP, prostate, liver, cholesterol, and other vitals.
 
Great post, it is annoying answering the same newbie questions over and over. This should be stickied and newbies should be refurred to this.
 
thanks. i will be working on this for another hour or so , it will be improved upon. hopefully this is sticked and helps people i worked hard on this :p
 
one thing that you might want to add in the pct section is dosing for toremifen. its becoming a popular alternative to tamoxifen. that might save a few more questions also.
 
thanks, and as for the toremefin? im not too familiar with it nor have i or anyone i train with use it. Tamox is basicly considered perfect for all out bbing needs but if this torem has less sides and is more potent i will try it out for myself and post blood results etc etc.
 
thanks, and as for the toremefin? im not too familiar with it nor have i or anyone i train with use it. Tamox is basicly considered perfect for all out bbing needs but if this torem has less sides and is more potent i will try it out for myself and post blood results etc etc.


people seem to like it because it isnt as toxic as nolva. its more expensive though.
 
i see. i ordered myself a bottle of it and im going to use it in place of nolva for my next cycle and ill judge by my recovery how effective it is in comparison. i have very frequent blood tests so this will be a good indication of the use of torem compared to tamox for my recovery.
 
Good post, except two things I might change:

10 weeks isn't sufficient time, even for a beginner, to run Test E.

IMO, the EQ should be cut off two weeks in advance of the Test, due to its inordinately long half-life.
 
id rather see the test changed to 13 weeks . EQ needs the time to really start working. 7-8 weeks until its fully kicked in. and 10 weeks is perfect for someone who has never run test before. great gains can be made in this period of time. 12 weeks would be an option for someone with more experience handeling sides and especialy the estrogen related ones.
 
id rather see the test changed to 13 weeks . EQ needs the time to really start working. 7-8 weeks until its fully kicked in. and 10 weeks is perfect for someone who has never run test before. great gains can be made in this period of time. 12 weeks would be an option for someone with more experience handeling sides and especialy the estrogen related ones.

I disagree on the Test length, and maybe so does its half-life, but to each his own.

However, the EQ should be cut-off well in advance of the last Test dosage; if not, you're running your P.C.T., with active compound in your body.
 
my first cycle with test was standalone 400mg cyp for 10 weeks and i gained over 20 lbs and had zero sides. i edited the first 2 outlined test cycles to range from 10- 12 weeks based on prior user experience. never xp = 10 some ph type xp=12. i changed the test length in all other cycles 1 week longer then EQ or deca. i honestly have never had a problem recovering from cycles where test and the 2ndary compound are run the same length, hcg does the trick for 3 weeks along with my usual pct.
 
my first cycle with test was standalone 400mg cyp for 10 weeks and i gained over 20 lbs and had zero sides.

I'm not discounting your experience, I just feel that given the half-life of a compound, 12 weeks is a reasonable, safe, and responsible length for a first cycle.

The suppression is already there, and the extra two weeks would give you more time to solidify your gains. As I said though, to each his own.
 
read above post. i agree with you dont get me wrong but i believe somebody with no prior xp to any type of anabolic shouold not be on any longer than 10 weeks. i wud hope this gets stickied because this will eliminate us having to awnser 10 threads a day reguarding how to use this and how long to use that. what to stack with this and so on.
 
It's a great thread, unfortunately the people who need to read these threads the most never do. It's a good little resource though.
 
Nice post but not "Sticky" quality material. Too many errors, myths and personal opinions. Stickies need to be just the facts.
 
hcg mid cycle is relatively unnessesary as long as cycles are under 20 weeks. and this is coming from a gym of ifbb and amateur level competitors so all of these cycles are tried and true with bloodwork done to ensure health. high doses and exotic compounds are not everything and quality gains are much more favored than quantity gains.
 
6+ weeks of Tamox (or any serm) with multiple 40mg dosing weeks can = delayed gyno. (rebound after too long of suppression)
 
at times it gets pretty intense with the shedding, ESPECIALY on 1+ gram test. ill have streaks of thinning hair going through my head. but honestly upon sucession of aas for 12 weeks out of each year my hair grows back fully and every one of my vitals returns to normal. im 11 weeks into my 12 week break and my hair has thickened back to normal. my blood pressure is 130/74 as of saturday. cholesterol is slightly higher than averages but then again my diet will explain that. liver vaules were normal, kidneys were normal. only problem i had was with my sex drive, as bad as this effect sounds, i still get it up fine and everything it just seems when im off heavy dosing that i am just not as interested in sex. while on its a nessesity every day :p
 
Nice post. Definitely would like to see some good debate here and then updated with good agreeable facts from both Mullet & Jonny if they have anything specifically to add.

8/10

Feedback:

"i am meerly providint information reguarding" should be "I am merely providing information regarding"

"anabolcis" should be for both 1 & 2 in the beginner cycle guidelines "anabolics"

"Post Cycle support by anabolic innovations should be used during all pct's and cycle support during and after the cycle to aid with BP, prostate, liver, cholestrol, and other vitals.Post Cycle support by anabolic innovations should be used during all pct's and cycle support during and after the cycle to aid with BP, prostate, liver, cholestrol, and other vitals." should be "cholesterol"

+repped.
 
what did your bloodwork look like after jungle warfare that you got pulled this past week ?


looks like you just stick to the real thing an not designers. That is probably a good idea as there is research behind them.
 
haha sry english is a 2nd language to arabic. ill work on fixing some things, and i gota say AI's products are lifesavers. as far as JW all i got out of it was slightly lowered base test levels and increased LDL. waste of time and money. also knocked my systolic bp up 8 points.
 
Bump for the fun of it
 
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