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making the move from phs to real gear?

ammoarsenal

ammoarsenal

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Well after much time in the world natural bodybuilding, i had put on 50 lbs to my frame. It was not until after than i decided to run a couple of prohormone cycles (with proper post cycles and everything of course) and have been sucessful in doing so. Ive done 2 prohormone cycles sucessfully, had good gains from them, but worried about the problems with orals.

One thing i have realized is that to run anabolics safely, it costs alot of money and mild risks are always taken, even with the most well thought up cycle. I told myself the other day, why am i screwing around with prohormones and spending all this money, when i know i can get test ALOT cheaper and have a even better cycle as opposed to running a prohormone.

Now for me this seems like a big move from prohormones to real gear, but i have really been considering it. So a year from now i really want to run a modestly dosed and safe test cycle.

I know prohormones are considerably weaker and from reading posts on some real gear users, just horrible compared to the real thing. But maybe some of you guys can help me decide this next move, talk to me about the risk/reward factor as compared to prohormones.

Again im not chump and have done alot of research on this, but i want to hear it from real gear users who have been in my situation.
 
well....to begin with, lets get one thing straight(although you didnt specify what ph's youtook). Ph's in essence are gear i.e. superdrol, dimethazine. ive done both ph's & gear. i must say, you can get great gains from both. a test cycle will have less side effects, and generally tets is ran no shorter than 8 weeks. so theres a possibility of better gains from a test cycle just based on cycle length. just dont get pyched that "oh man im gonna make the leap to "real gear" and make huge gains".
 
exactly. sd is one of the strongest d.s. out. and is way stronger than test. you just cant run it for 12 weeks.

dont get cofused. longer cycles will mean a more aggressive pct.

good luck whem u do run test. im sure you'll enjoy it.
 
Yes I know superdrol is stronger, but I have never injected
and hear that it's alot safer. I ran superdrol ar low dose and had good results, but I'm ready to step up. Any advice for first time injection users
 
I personally did it the other way round mate.

My first ever venture into AAS started with a basis Test E cycle (10 weeks). I've since then never re-conducted an injectible cycle. I pretty much disliked most of it, the gains weren't as great as I thought they'd be (compared to doing several, shorter PH cycles) and the recovery...well don't even get me started.

My personal opinion would be to do a low-dose, 'mild' (if there is such a thing) PH cycle to assess whether you even like using exogenous hormone enhancement. I always suggest compounds such as: Dermacrine, Cynostane, Protodrol etc. which will take little to no recovery from and have few reported sides, you can progress from there.
 
Well, your liver will thank you for switching to injectable AAS. This site is notorious for promoting PH use. After venturing to the dark side (injectable), this is the only way to go. Most of the gains from PH's are water and will be lost shortly after PCT from what I experienced. Dont get me wrong, orals are good for a kickstart to a cycle, but as a base or as a solo run, they are a waste of time. Try running 500mg TestE for 12 weeks and report back your gains. I think that 20-25lbs of lbm gains with Test will trump any PH gains.
 
SemperFi9999 said:
Well, your liver will thank you for switching to injectable AAS. This site is notorious for promoting PH use. After venturing to the dark side (inectable), this is the only way to go. Most of the gains from PH's are water and will be lost shortly after PCT from what I experienced. Dont get me wrong, orals are good for a kickstart to a cycle, but as a base or as a solo run, they are a waste of time. Try running 500mg TestE for 12 weeks and report back your gains. I think that 20-25lbs of lbm gains with Test will trump any PH gains.
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ok awesome. Ya I know prohormones are good But I feel if I did an injection cycle it's a little safer and a little more controllable with quality gains.

So test 500 a week? Keep nolva on hand, liver support, cycle support, clomid pct??
 
Liver support if your running orals. I like milk thistle 1000mg/daily. I'd get an AI like aromasin for bloat/estrogen sides and take as needed. Some estrogen is good as it lubes your joints. No need for cycle support unless you're running orals. Start Clomid 2 weeks after your last test injection and run 50/50/50/50
 
SemperFi9999 said:
Liver support if your running orals. I like milk thistle 1000mg/daily. I'd get an AI like aromasin for bloat/estrogen sides and take as needed. Some estrogen is good as it lubes your joints. No need for cycle support unless you're running orals. Start Clomid 2 weeks after your last test injection and run 50/50/50/50
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sounds alot easier lol. and what about nad shrinkage on a test cycle like this?
 
pop 250iu HCG Mon/Thur subq; easier this way so you're on the same schedule as your test. I normally start wk3 and run up till wk12.
 
I am considering switching to injectables for the same reasons, safety being #1.
 
My next cycle will most likely be gear probably prop but mainly because I can run it longer and the liver toxicity is less. I say go for.it u r ready.

Now I just have to figure out wat to do with my ridiculous amount of pre ban PHs Haha
 
That should cover all the necessities. Read Unreal's guide to injectables and that'll give you insight on different pins to use, aspirating, etc. Go to spotinjections.com and that is very informative for different pin sites. Good luck with your cycle :)
 
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