M4OHN/MDHT + trimax/clen Cutter
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Nullifidian
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Haven't calipured in a while. Perhaps when my brain wakes up today. lol
Nullifidian
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12/23 morning weight 196
I don't appear to have gained noticeable fat, however I most definitely look fuller and not flat like I did on the TriMax. I'm guessing my glycogen stores aren't depleted. I would say that probably accounts for maybe 2-3 pounds.
I anticipated some weight gain immediately following going off TriMax. The trick will be levelling the weight gain off, and then going back into weightloss.
I don't appear to have gained noticeable fat, however I most definitely look fuller and not flat like I did on the TriMax. I'm guessing my glycogen stores aren't depleted. I would say that probably accounts for maybe 2-3 pounds.
I anticipated some weight gain immediately following going off TriMax. The trick will be levelling the weight gain off, and then going back into weightloss.
Enigma76
Active member
This is true. I assume you gleaned this from the GHRP-2 post over on custom's board. After some review I believe it is just glucose itself that inhibits GH production, so if you took a protein shake that was just pure protein, no sugar no carbs not mixed with milk, you might be okay. I'll have to research further, but so far I think its just glucose.Nullifidian said:
Of course, if Custom could come out with his version of Hemogex that was priced more appropriately, we could avoid this whole problem entirely.
Nullifidian
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Yep, the GHRP-2 thread clued me in and then I looked it up on pubmed.
As for pure protein, good luck. Even AllTheWhey has a gram or two of carbs. In any case, the window of opportunity for protein absorbtion is about 2 hours post workout anyway. So if I take it after an hour, I'll be good.
Also, when your glycogen stores are depleted, your body will take ANY macronutrient you ingest and turn it to sugar so it really doesn't matter what you eat, it will still turn to glucose and thus one would figure it would blunt the GH response consequently.
As for pure protein, good luck. Even AllTheWhey has a gram or two of carbs. In any case, the window of opportunity for protein absorbtion is about 2 hours post workout anyway. So if I take it after an hour, I'll be good.
Also, when your glycogen stores are depleted, your body will take ANY macronutrient you ingest and turn it to sugar so it really doesn't matter what you eat, it will still turn to glucose and thus one would figure it would blunt the GH response consequently.
Enigma76
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is an interesting study as well. Found that a fat rich meal prior to workout decreased exersize induced GH response by 54% while a glucose rich meal didnt effect excersize induced GH.
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This one is very interesting too, dealing with a 4 day span of fat-rich or carb-rich eating with cycling and a study of GH/T3/prolactin and various other hormones. Kind of conflicts with the one above actually.
is an interesting study as well. Found that a fat rich meal prior to workout decreased exersize induced GH response by 54% while a glucose rich meal didnt effect excersize induced GH.
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This one is very interesting too, dealing with a 4 day span of fat-rich or carb-rich eating with cycling and a study of GH/T3/prolactin and various other hormones. Kind of conflicts with the one above actually.
meathead1987
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How about in the 1hr you wait post workout to eat, you perform 30minutes of low intnsity cardio.
AMPK will have been activated in your muscles via the ATP:ADP ratio variation, causing(in the end) fat to be used as a substrate over carbs/protein.
Post workout is the ideal time to do cardio.
AMPK will have been activated in your muscles via the ATP:ADP ratio variation, causing(in the end) fat to be used as a substrate over carbs/protein.
Post workout is the ideal time to do cardio.
Timbo
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Nulli, first of all, thank you very much for keeping us in the loop with regard to your progress and experiences with your present cycle. Nice work! I'll continue to follow along as you continue to progress.
You did some outstanding research in uncovering the fact that eating -- or more appropriately, insulin -- is antagonistic to GH secretion. However, I encourage you do further your research on the effects of systemic GH administration on skeletal muscle mass. I think that you'll find the results to be rather interesting. In addition, I think you'll revert to your more appropriate post-training nutritional practices.
You did some outstanding research in uncovering the fact that eating -- or more appropriately, insulin -- is antagonistic to GH secretion. However, I encourage you do further your research on the effects of systemic GH administration on skeletal muscle mass. I think that you'll find the results to be rather interesting. In addition, I think you'll revert to your more appropriate post-training nutritional practices.
Nullifidian
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All studies done on GH as it is related to muscle growth have been done with exogenous GH. Endogenous GH may act differently, especially with respect to workout timing.Timbo said:
Nullifidian
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Keeping the weight off has been ridiculously tough with the holiday season. On Christmas and for several days prior, I ate cheat meal after cheat meal, as I originally predicted would happen. New Years was almost as bad; I went to several parties where all kinds of cheat foods were served and not one healthy dish was available for consumption.
However were it not for my dieting previously, I would have been about 220 right now and definitely not a pretty 220 either.
In any case, this morning I was back up to 201 though.
IF I post pics, which I probably won't, they will be post-PCT since that's all that matters anyway.
However were it not for my dieting previously, I would have been about 220 right now and definitely not a pretty 220 either.
In any case, this morning I was back up to 201 though.
IF I post pics, which I probably won't, they will be post-PCT since that's all that matters anyway.
Nullifidian
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Cycle is just about over and I'll begin PCT. Here's the schedule this week:
Monday: last day of cycle +
40mcg IGF1 Long R3
I'll be doing Leg workout tomorrow so I'll inject it bilaterally in each the quads.
Tuesday:
300mg Clomid
40mg Nolvadex
3g Tribulus
ZMA
Fish Oil
Flax Seed Oil
40mcg IGF1LR3 - In the morning, bilaterally in the quads.
Wednesday:
100mg Clomid
40mg Nolvadex
3g Tribulus
ZMA
Fish Oil
Flax Seed Oil
40mcg IGF1LR3 - Traps/Back/Bicep workout, inject post workout bilaterally in the biceps.
Thursday:
100mg Clomid
40mg Nolvadex
3g Tribulus
ZMA
Fish Oil
Flax Seed Oil
40mcg IGF1LR3 - In the morning, bilaterally in the lats.
Friday:
100mg Clomid
40mg Nolvadex
3g Tribulus
ZMA
Fish Oil
Flax Seed Oil
40mcg IGF1LR3 - chest/tricep/shoulder workout, inject post workout bilaterally in the shoulders.
Saturday:
100mg Clomid
40mg Nolvadex
3g Tribulus
ZMA
Fish Oil
Flax Seed Oil
40mcg IGF1LR3 - In the morning, bilaterally in the pecs.
Sunday:
100mg Clomid
40mg Nolvadex
3g Tribulus
ZMA
Fish Oil
Flax Seed Oil
40mcg IGF1LR3 - In the morning, bilaterally in the triceps. That should be real fun. Thank god slin pins are tiny.
Monday: last day of cycle +
40mcg IGF1 Long R3
I'll be doing Leg workout tomorrow so I'll inject it bilaterally in each the quads.
Tuesday:
300mg Clomid
40mg Nolvadex
3g Tribulus
ZMA
Fish Oil
Flax Seed Oil
40mcg IGF1LR3 - In the morning, bilaterally in the quads.
Wednesday:
100mg Clomid
40mg Nolvadex
3g Tribulus
ZMA
Fish Oil
Flax Seed Oil
40mcg IGF1LR3 - Traps/Back/Bicep workout, inject post workout bilaterally in the biceps.
Thursday:
100mg Clomid
40mg Nolvadex
3g Tribulus
ZMA
Fish Oil
Flax Seed Oil
40mcg IGF1LR3 - In the morning, bilaterally in the lats.
Friday:
100mg Clomid
40mg Nolvadex
3g Tribulus
ZMA
Fish Oil
Flax Seed Oil
40mcg IGF1LR3 - chest/tricep/shoulder workout, inject post workout bilaterally in the shoulders.
Saturday:
100mg Clomid
40mg Nolvadex
3g Tribulus
ZMA
Fish Oil
Flax Seed Oil
40mcg IGF1LR3 - In the morning, bilaterally in the pecs.
Sunday:
100mg Clomid
40mg Nolvadex
3g Tribulus
ZMA
Fish Oil
Flax Seed Oil
40mcg IGF1LR3 - In the morning, bilaterally in the triceps. That should be real fun. Thank god slin pins are tiny.
Nullifidian
Banned
Wow, haven't posted in a while. Sorry about that. Here's what's going on:
I've been 1 week on IGF1. Today was leg day. I started off with 5 sets of squats. On the 5th set I did 405 for a few reps. Most I've ever done on freestanding barbell squats. Continued on to do 4 sets of unilateral leg extensions focusing on my left leg (pick a weight, do as many reps as possible with left, only do exactly that many with my right). I then did the same with Leg curls. My right quad is WAY stronger than my left (my right quad was barely fatigued at all but my left was burning and could barely move), but it appears my right hamstring is almost the same as my left. All future leg workouts will be this way until the fatigue is the same for left and right legs. I admit I should have been doing this from the beginning.
Another note: I started taking ECA today. It gave me a much more noticeable boost than last time I took it. I think it may be because it has been so long since the last time I ever did an ECA stack.
On a happy note, while I did not look at the scale today to see how weightloss is progressing, when I was at the gym today, I noticed that when I flex my calves I can see some serious seperation. I now have that very noticeable diamond shape in my calves that only shows up with conditioning. My legs are also looking significantly more defined.
IGF1 was not injected bilaterally; I injected only into my left quad. If any site specific action happens, I want it on my left to bring it up to par with my right. Hopefully this will speed the process of brining symmetry to my quads. Tomorrow's injection will also by only in my left quad.
IGF1 side effect:
I DEFINITELY notice joint pain after injecting. This pain seems to be local; at the joint nearest to injection site. For example, right now my left knee aches noticeably. I cannot determine if it is my injection technique (maybe I hit a nerve?) or it is the known side effect of IGF1 kicking in (joint pain is a known side effect of IGF1). If it is IGF1 kicking in, then this is strong evidence of site specific growth IMO.
I also wonder if perhaps the fact that I have been on Lean XTreme for a while may be causing some joint pain. IIRC Sledge said that was a possible side effect.
I've been 1 week on IGF1. Today was leg day. I started off with 5 sets of squats. On the 5th set I did 405 for a few reps. Most I've ever done on freestanding barbell squats. Continued on to do 4 sets of unilateral leg extensions focusing on my left leg (pick a weight, do as many reps as possible with left, only do exactly that many with my right). I then did the same with Leg curls. My right quad is WAY stronger than my left (my right quad was barely fatigued at all but my left was burning and could barely move), but it appears my right hamstring is almost the same as my left. All future leg workouts will be this way until the fatigue is the same for left and right legs. I admit I should have been doing this from the beginning.
Another note: I started taking ECA today. It gave me a much more noticeable boost than last time I took it. I think it may be because it has been so long since the last time I ever did an ECA stack.
On a happy note, while I did not look at the scale today to see how weightloss is progressing, when I was at the gym today, I noticed that when I flex my calves I can see some serious seperation. I now have that very noticeable diamond shape in my calves that only shows up with conditioning. My legs are also looking significantly more defined.
IGF1 was not injected bilaterally; I injected only into my left quad. If any site specific action happens, I want it on my left to bring it up to par with my right. Hopefully this will speed the process of brining symmetry to my quads. Tomorrow's injection will also by only in my left quad.
IGF1 side effect:
I DEFINITELY notice joint pain after injecting. This pain seems to be local; at the joint nearest to injection site. For example, right now my left knee aches noticeably. I cannot determine if it is my injection technique (maybe I hit a nerve?) or it is the known side effect of IGF1 kicking in (joint pain is a known side effect of IGF1). If it is IGF1 kicking in, then this is strong evidence of site specific growth IMO.
I also wonder if perhaps the fact that I have been on Lean XTreme for a while may be causing some joint pain. IIRC Sledge said that was a possible side effect.