TOPEND JEFF
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I am taking M1T ant i want to know what else would be wise to take to cut fat and help recovery and mass gain
M1T and supps
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AdelV
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I def ain't experienced with this, but I know it's extremely harsh from reading.
I would suggest it's better used on a bulk, and something like ECA or CLEN/T3 on a cut.. if your diet/training are in order.
Anyways if your going to do it, you'll need a SERM... and ALL SUPPORT SUPPLEMENTS like CYCLE SUPPORT ETC
TOPEND JEFF
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ya ive taking superdroil before and noticed very little results but the m1t im two weeks in and its giving me great pumps and i feel good. what is a good cut to use
AdelV
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I don't think it's wise to use stims on a cut, nor to use pro hormones to cut.. esp during pct...
Lower your calories & cardio = fat loss.
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Clen, T3, and Liver Protectants.
Also, you could look into GHRP and IGF-1 lr3 - but its all budget dependent. Are you against injections?
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igf would be your best bet.
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Ohhhh yes, but would you stop making me take my own advice and come THAT much closer to making another order from my source!? Geez... I gotta eat and pay bills too ya know
Wow, now I am REALLY thinking about it... LR3 coming off my cycle would mitigate fat accrual and retain my lean tissue, especially with GHRP-6. DANGIT.
morry
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I can attest, IGF-LR3 is a def plus for PCT.
I'm going to get bashed a little I think, but here is what I've done in the past. Start letro your last week and taper up (.25 ml [2.5mg/ml]) to just .5 and run that the last week of M1t, then continue and add IGF LR3 at 120mcgs E3D (I do this bc I don't mix the acetic acid, I just buy the kits and mix it with sterile water) after you have ran letro at .5ml for a week, start to taper it back down and on your last day, use 2ml tamoxifen (20mg/ml [really 30.4 but it is citrate]) for a week, then 1ml tamox for a week then .5 till you feel normal again. IGF-LR3 will combined with a low estro level will keep the gains very lean and very dry, you will be happy with it.
Have you looked into SARMS S4? I just did and that is what I'm using for my PCT instead of IGF-LR3, I'll still run the letro tamox combo, just tossing sarms in there too.
I've kept more than 90% of my gains this way, and don't cut your calories for at least a month. You WILL LOSE YOUR GAINS. Every pound of muscle you put on takes 50 calories more per day at rest (more when you are working out), so if you put on 10 lbs (and if you are eating right and working out hard enough and getting enough sleep, you will get at least 10), then that is 500 more calories you will burn just living from day to day without working out. So DON'T cut the calories, just eat clean, you will lean out with the little estro and IGF in your system.
You could add a little clen in there if you wanted, but I'm not sure you would need it. I'm running it now, but I'm trying to get rid of some stubborn chest fat. It's working and I'm happy, but if I didn't have the fat on my chest, I wouldn't even be using it. Clen has been shown to keep your body from consuming muscle, so maybe. I would just be careful, you've worked hard to get the gains you have, don't sacrifice them because you don't want to gain a pound or two. Worry about that in a m onth or so, train your body to keep that muscle!
Good luck
I'm going to get bashed a little I think, but here is what I've done in the past. Start letro your last week and taper up (.25 ml [2.5mg/ml]) to just .5 and run that the last week of M1t, then continue and add IGF LR3 at 120mcgs E3D (I do this bc I don't mix the acetic acid, I just buy the kits and mix it with sterile water) after you have ran letro at .5ml for a week, start to taper it back down and on your last day, use 2ml tamoxifen (20mg/ml [really 30.4 but it is citrate]) for a week, then 1ml tamox for a week then .5 till you feel normal again. IGF-LR3 will combined with a low estro level will keep the gains very lean and very dry, you will be happy with it.
Have you looked into SARMS S4? I just did and that is what I'm using for my PCT instead of IGF-LR3, I'll still run the letro tamox combo, just tossing sarms in there too.
I've kept more than 90% of my gains this way, and don't cut your calories for at least a month. You WILL LOSE YOUR GAINS. Every pound of muscle you put on takes 50 calories more per day at rest (more when you are working out), so if you put on 10 lbs (and if you are eating right and working out hard enough and getting enough sleep, you will get at least 10), then that is 500 more calories you will burn just living from day to day without working out. So DON'T cut the calories, just eat clean, you will lean out with the little estro and IGF in your system.
You could add a little clen in there if you wanted, but I'm not sure you would need it. I'm running it now, but I'm trying to get rid of some stubborn chest fat. It's working and I'm happy, but if I didn't have the fat on my chest, I wouldn't even be using it. Clen has been shown to keep your body from consuming muscle, so maybe. I would just be careful, you've worked hard to get the gains you have, don't sacrifice them because you don't want to gain a pound or two. Worry about that in a m onth or so, train your body to keep that muscle!
Good luck
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delsolrob
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first, welcome to AM!
M1T is probably the most harsh oral steroid ever...you'd better make sure that you have all your support supps in order and that you have a solid PCT.
what's your dosing scheme?
M1T will aromatize and cause a bit of water retention and bload, I wouldn't imagine it's a great compound for cutting...consider adding an AI to minimize water retention?
also, note: there is a seperate section of the forum dedicated to steroids, discussions of such compounds should be kept out of the supplement forum.
M1T is probably the most harsh oral steroid ever...you'd better make sure that you have all your support supps in order and that you have a solid PCT.
what's your dosing scheme?
M1T will aromatize and cause a bit of water retention and bload, I wouldn't imagine it's a great compound for cutting...consider adding an AI to minimize water retention?
also, note: there is a seperate section of the forum dedicated to steroids, discussions of such compounds should be kept out of the supplement forum.
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I might suggest Arimidex ED + a Taraxatone like herbal diuretic before bed/as needed
morry
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YOU are definitely NOT my financial adviser!
Muscle over money. Always. Always. Always. But you're right, expensive as crap to run IGF-LR3
I agree that M1T is one the most harsh oral steriods out there. With proper PCT and supplementation, it is managable. Not to mention the M1T nowadays isn't the same we were used to 7 years ago. At least in my experience.
This isn't a stab, but dude, have you ever even taken M1T? It aromatizes? Since when? It can APPEAR to do so with a poorly planned and executed PCT or cycle plan (binge drinking during cycle, etc...) or other stupid mistakes, but M1T itself doesn't, can't, won't, never will.
M1T is a GREAT compound to put on size, albeit some water and some real muscle. THAT is the key to becoming lean. Changing your muscled to fat ratio, anything else is just temporary, so you are heading in the right direction. And you might have posted in the wrong forum, but at least your asking questions and I continue to encourage your questions. You are messing with a very potent product. Be careful, don't listen to anybody without doing your own research too. You can see, even being called out for posting in the wrong forum, I'll chime in and say, may be wrong forum, but your facts are wrong. Research. I'm repping you either way, but dude......
delsolrob
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nope, never taken M1T...before my time, and I like my liver too much
I was thinking back to when this was popular (years ago) and I remembered a lot of people seeing a bit of bloating, but after thinking about it a minute I think you're right, the 5ar should keep it from converting.
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nope, never taken M1T...before my time, and I like my liver too much
I was thinking back to when this was popular (years ago) and I remembered a lot of people seeing a bit of bloating, but after thinking about it a minute I think you're right, the 5ar should keep it from converting.
VPX's Monster Test used to be stacked with their MAD-250 product, or Methyl-4AD to counteract the sides... I am looking into some other avenues to combat the bloat and lethargy right now.
delsolrob
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lethargy is one thing (I like dermacrine to combat lethargy), but I'm guessing the bloat must be caused by prolactin...think a generous dose of p-5-p could help?
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