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M1T and 1-Test

thetimbomb

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Okay, So i've been looking around for some M1T, and 1-test, and found some thankfully - but i have a question

M1T is usually dosed between 10 and 20 mg per day and between 5 and 10 mg per tab, however i was looking at a bottle of 1-testoserone THP ether, and ( by Premium Nutrition) and it said that each tab is 100 mg!? can someone explaind the difference here....

or maybe M1T and 1-test ether are completely different compounds?:wtf:
 
thetimbomb said:
or maybe M1T and 1-test ether are completely different compounds?:wtf:
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Correct.
 
M1T is the HARSHEST stuff I have ever put in my body. I'd avoid it like the plague personally.
 
I realize that its harsh from what ive read here.. I was just wanting to clarify that there was indeed a difference between the two... thank you so much forletting me know - one last question then while im still here

Since they are different compounds, then which one is more effective? 1-test, or M1T?

And because 1-test isnt methylated, it could be considered alot less liver toxic?
 
thetimbomb said:
Okay, So i've been looking around for some M1T, and 1-test, and found some thankfully - but i have a question

M1T is usually dosed between 10 and 20 mg per day and between 5 and 10 mg per tab, however i was looking at a bottle of 1-testoserone THP ether, and ( by Premium Nutrition) and it said that each tab is 100 mg!? can someone explaind the difference here....

or maybe M1T and 1-test ether are completely different compounds?:wtf:
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You are correct to trust your own judgement. M1T and 1-TEST are two different compounds. The (M) in M1T is to denote its methylation. This means that a chemical bond has been changed in the basic structure of 1-TEST, which is not very active as an oral hormone. The change to the structure allows the 1-TEST to survive its initial pass through the liver. The longer a chemical, specifically one that antagonizes androgen receptors and promotes tissue growth, remains active in your blood, the less of it is needed per dose....you can double check this info by reading any number of available sticky (FAQ) threads at the top of the message boards.
 
nicely put AnabolicRhino... :)

and I happen to like M1t.. no bad sides and it worked well for me the 3 times I ran it.
 
Ubiquitous said:
nicely put AnabolicRhino... :)

and I happen to like M1t.. no bad sides and it worked well for me the 3 times I ran it.
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That is definitely good to hear. One positive (especially considering it is yours) outweighs most of those negatives I've read :D

That means the 10g of it I have may get utilized.
 
jonny21 said:
That is definitely good to hear. One positive (especially considering it is yours) outweighs most of those negatives I've read :D

That means the 10g of it I have may get utilized.
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Some of the "sides" may not be that noticeable.
Keep a close eye on your BP and Lipids.
 
motiv8er said:
M1T is the HARSHEST stuff I have ever put in my body. I'd avoid it like the plague personally.
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I must completely agree here. Might as well go with superdrol. M1t is a great compound for mass but holy hell i dont think i could take it anymore, the stuff literally beats the **** out of you!!!
 
M1T was the first methyl I tried, and I had some serious issues. I realize now how little it would take for me to grow. I had constant nosebleeds, leg cramps, lethargy and depression to boot! I think now I could handle it better. There are just better options out there...

But it is one hell of a mass compound. I gain 10 pounds just looking at it!
 
I'm eventually going to run it at very low dose with some Test TD to start a cycle.
 
jonny21 said:
I'm eventually going to run it at very low dose with some Test TD to start a cycle.
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When you gonna run it and what dose? Just curious.

I didn't notice awefull sides with my three cycles either- BP some- not bad. Loved the PUMPS!!

I'm preparing for my 1st Superdrol cycle.
Happy lifting-
 
Not for a while. I am currently running a cycle and probably won't cycle again until the fall.

I will probably run it @ 10mg. Actually, if I could get away with it I would run it @ 7.5. It would be run with 200mg/day of Test TD.
 
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you have 10 grams of it? thats like 10000 mg... which is like 1000 pills wow ridiculous anyway...

if you have to choose between M1T and 1-Test ether (pill form) which one would you choose?
 
thetimbomb said:
you have 10 grams of it? thats like 10000 mg... which is like 1000 pills wow ridiculous anyway...

if you have to choose between M1T and 1-Test ether (pill form) which one would you choose?
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Depends on what you are going for bro. I mean personally I wouldn't choose any form of 1-testosterone because of its lethargic effects. However, since both 1-test and methyl-1-test made me very very lethargic I would have to say M1t is what I would choose since the mass gains on it were absolutely incredible. I gained massive amounts of weight when combining it with the right training and diet. Again the only downside is the horrid side effects. I was running at 20mg/daily since that was the best dosage I could find for solid gains. 10mg did decently until I passed 180 lbs then it was just really really slow and since you really only want to run methyls for about 4 weeks max at a time I wanted to maximize the gains. I only finished a handful of my workouts because the **** just beat the living crap out of me, I had no training intensity and all I ever wanted to do was sleep. Hell thats prolly the reason I grew on the damn **** the added sleep :rofl: . I mean 1-test is really only decent, imo, as a transdermal and I can't stand transdermals either.

Why not try superdrol bro? I had similar gains on SD at 20mg that I did on m1t at 10-20mg (cant really remember) and the side effects are MUCH MUCH less.
 
I did a four week cycle of masterdrol (similar, but not the same, so ive heard) and gained about 12 lbs, kept like six i think.

I might actually just go for a cycle of superdrol...

That's been discontinued though.. guess someone better pm me!
 
thetimbomb said:
I did a four week cycle of masterdrol (similar, but not the same, so ive heard) and gained about 12 lbs, kept like six i think.

I might actually just go for a cycle of superdrol...

That's been discontinued though.. guess someone better pm me!
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It is only discontinued by anabolic extreme. Go to Invalid Link Removed and you can find the new stuff.
 
Timbomb- When are you planning on starting your cycle? You need to spend some serious time researching every angle of what you're going to do. Gotta have your **** together. Type in any keyword you can think of that pertains to what you're planning on doing and read, read, read!! I'm by no means an experienced PH user- but I learn as much as I possibly can about everything I can before I start a cycle.

I'm not planning to do my SD cycle for a few months and I've spent NUMEROUS hours on here, the past few days researching, going through logs of others....I'm not trying to be an ass- I just want EVERYONE to be as safe as possible. I've just been seeing a ton of Q's all over this board, that if you just use the search button you'll find it.

Sorry for the long winded post guys-

Happy lifting
 
Ya mate I appreciate your concern and advice, and the entire point of this thread was really about 1-test... not superdrol haha that kind of just sprung up.


but I will do more research on both compounds before deciding upon either.. but currently im on a ph right now so it will be some time before i start./
 
thetimbomb said:
Ya mate I appreciate your concern and advice, and the entire point of this thread was really about 1-test... not superdrol haha that kind of just sprung up.


but I will do more research on both compounds before deciding upon either.. but currently im on a ph right now so it will be some time before i start./
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Cool- I know what the point was- Just saying I researched- and you should too. :thumbsup:
 
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After reading through some of the Forums I m surprised to see a pretty cool and supportive comunity here. I hope to get the information I need. Everyone seems to have different opinions. I just finished a three week cycle of m1t 17 alpha methyl test by . . .I started out by using 10 mg capsules of Nolvadex (one a day) as well as MIlk thisle One a day containing (300mg raw milkthislte powder,175 mg standardized milkthistle herb seed extract,). During the first week i took 10 mg of the 17 alpha methyl-1-test and 10 mg nolva a day. I was told, that was too much nolva and so i used only 10 mg every three days. the second and third week i used 20 mg of m1t per day with the same dosage of thistle and nolva. I saw gains in muscle size but minimal power gain and that was only in the first week not much in the 2nd and 3rd week. I was tired alot and slightly foggy but nothing i couldnt handle. I have recently received, some m1t from another source and of course the (Giver) says its all the RAGE. lol He swears that he gained 50 lbs on his bench in the first week. The difference is that the new m1t i have says (17-methyl-1 androstene-17b-ol-3one). Is this a better product? I ve heard of 19 alpha methyl which has an added anabolic, is this the same? I dont know too much about androstene. I figure i ll wait a few weeks atleast untill i start the nest 3 week cylce of this new product i have. Any info on it would be greatly appreciated. thank you
 
Dont know man, I'm still a bit fuzzy on all the m1t details... But I do think that you should have gained more strength from it...
 
George Foreman said:
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After reading through some of the Forums I m surprised to see a pretty cool and supportive comunity here. I hope to get the information I need. Everyone seems to have different opinions. I just finished a three week cycle of m1t 17 alpha methyl test by . . .I started out by using 10 mg capsules of Nolvadex (one a day) as well as MIlk thisle One a day containing (300mg raw milkthislte powder,175 mg standardized milkthistle herb seed extract,). During the first week i took 10 mg of the 17 alpha methyl-1-test and 10 mg nolva a day. I was told, that was too much nolva and so i used only 10 mg every three days. the second and third week i used 20 mg of m1t per day with the same dosage of thistle and nolva. I saw gains in muscle size but minimal power gain and that was only in the first week not much in the 2nd and 3rd week. I was tired alot and slightly foggy but nothing i couldnt handle. I have recently received, some m1t from another source and of course the (Giver) says its all the RAGE. lol He swears that he gained 50 lbs on his bench in the first week. The difference is that the new m1t i have says (17-methyl-1 androstene-17b-ol-3one). Is this a better product? I ve heard of 19 alpha methyl which has an added anabolic, is this the same? I dont know too much about androstene. I figure i ll wait a few weeks atleast untill i start the nest 3 week cylce of this new product i have. Any info on it would be greatly appreciated. thank you
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Why were you even taking nolva at the same time?

You really need to do more research bro. You are wayyyy behind on the times here with your questions regarding M1t's structure etc.

I am not trying to be a **** at all but cmon now there are a thousand threads on this stuff for basic information like that.
 
yip nolva used during pct, although it could be used during cycle, but thats usually only if you experience signs of mild gyno..
 
What does Pct stand for? Thanks for taking the time to post but please leave a little info if you do Lake. Out of everything i wrote in my first post It would have been nice to Have one of those questions answered. Hey is this board some kinda add for products or something?
 
Check out the Post Cycle Therapy section. No ads, just science. Thanks-
 
George Foreman said:
What does Pct stand for? Thanks for taking the time to post but please leave a little info if you do Lake. Out of everything i wrote in my first post It would have been nice to Have one of those questions answered. Hey is this board some kinda add for products or something?
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PCT = post cycle therapy. There is a sticky (a sticky is something in a forum that is at the top of that forum and stays there no matter what threads are started below it), go to that and read up it has a vast amount of information on different types of PCT's to run, it will educate you on things like this. I promise you that you don't want to jump into this stuff until you have a good understanding of the science behind it bro.

An ad for something? Why the hell would I post 1,100 times and be a member since feb. 03 if it was an ad for soemthing?! It is pure science and research. People posting what they know and their experience to contribute to the hypertrophy/hyperplasia loving community! :blink:
 
No, this board isnt for adverts... in case you didnt notice, all the posts on this thread have been giving people advice... ph.:aargh:

(advice that i asked for) and pct is Post Cycle Therapy..a non ph cycle used to boost natural test levels after a cycle on a
 
Glad to hear it man. Seriously, if you have any questions, this is a great forum to post it on. The people here are very informative, and won't be total ****s. I cant say the same for all forums.

Just be happy we are so nice. haha
 
sounds good. Im going to do 2 weeks of the m1t this time and I ll do the nolva after im done. Im wondering how much nolva to do. Im not going to take the milk thistle the first week to see if my gains are better this time. Man am i ever hungry like all the time. Prob is im allready on the heavy side. Dont want to gain too much unwanted weight.
 
George Foreman said:
sounds good. Im going to do 2 weeks of the m1t this time and I ll do the nolva after im done. Im wondering how much nolva to do. Im not going to take the milk thistle the first week to see if my gains are better this time. Man am i ever hungry like all the time. Prob is im allready on the heavy side. Dont want to gain too much unwanted weight.
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1. 2 weeks is too short of a time in my opinion to have gains that will want to stick with you very long
2. nolva is not your best option here
3. saying "im not going to take the milk thistle the first week to see if my gains are better this time" shows you shoudn't be doing this cycle considering milk thistle has nothing to do with the gains of your cycle, it wont make your liver block that much more m1t
4. asking "im wondering how much nolva i should do" is another reason not to start this stuff yet.

Do you not realize that it is too early for you to be jumping into this stuff? I don't know why people are so eager to look for the quick fix when they don't have all the information about it down yet. RESEARCH RESEARCH RESEARCH!!!!!! :study: :yawn:
 
LakeMountD said:
RESEARCH RESEARCH RESEARCH!!!!!! :study: :yawn:
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Haven't we already talked about this a bunch in this thread- or am I hallucinating??

George you should be :type: before starting any kind of cycle.
 
George Foreman said:
sounds good. Im going to do 2 weeks of the m1t this time and I ll do the nolva after im done. Im wondering how much nolva to do. Im not going to take the milk thistle the first week to see if my gains are better this time. Man am i ever hungry like all the time. Prob is im allready on the heavy side. Dont want to gain too much unwanted weight.
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If you don't want to gain weight, then you do not want to take M1T. Its main effect is usally weight gain, due to water retention. You may want to reseach other substances which may be more effective for your goals.
 
You want to look at ph for cutting, maybe not even ph if your not sure of what your going to do with pct and your liver.

and you need to research. ALOT.

I've made the same mistakes before, and trust me, you dont want to deal with all the **** that happens when you dont have a proper cycle set up.
 
the week with m1 t did not go well. Gained weight but not strength. size though. But I was too lethargic to train. Canstant burning in my muscles. My Job is Physically demanding too so that didnt help any. I want to go more along the lines of cutting and cardio for a bit and maybe when Im leaner during the winter I ll try it again. ANy one know why I had constant burning in my muscles esp calves and fore arms. Man did i ever get hard this partial cycle, just too damn tired all the time.Any Ideas about a good product to help me get ripped? What about this Nox cg3? Or do i just watch too much Tv? Peace all
 
George Foreman said:
the week with m1 t did not go well. Gained weight but not strength. size though. But I was too lethargic to train. Canstant burning in my muscles. My Job is Physically demanding too so that didnt help any. I want to go more along the lines of cutting and cardio for a bit and maybe when Im leaner during the winter I ll try it again. ANy one know why I had constant burning in my muscles esp calves and fore arms. Man did i ever get hard this partial cycle, just too damn tired all the time.Any Ideas about a good product to help me get ripped? What about this Nox cg3? Or do i just watch too much Tv? Peace all
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Good Diet and cardio bro- How often do you do cardio. Do you use % of HRR (heart rate reserve) or are you just on there for 40 minutes with the treadmill inclined upto 15% grade and hanging on. (I hate seeing people hanging on- it's so much easier.) Just curious- these factors should be on point first before adding anything, so you get the most out of it.
 
motiv8er said:
M1T is the HARSHEST stuff I have ever put in my body. I'd avoid it like the plague personally.
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M1T is a F***king Mad Man. Stay away it is by far the most potent oral ever created.

bottom line M1T is the devil:twisted:
 
Sea 223. My diet is pretty decent. Carbs are complex and im now going to cut them for my last meal or 2 of the day. Maybe some starchys. I was doing 45 min a day ,Incl of 7 at a very brisk pace but not runnning, every day but its hard to get on after kickin my ass at work, So I usually get 3 work outs of cardio a week. Time is a factor. I used to love doing 30 min of running better. It felt awsome to jump into the shower after a hard run. I also find the incl harder on the joints then running flat. Is the 45 min really that much better then the run
 
George Foreman said:
Sea 223. My diet is pretty decent. Carbs are complex and im now going to cut them for my last meal or 2 of the day. Maybe some starchys. I was doing 45 min a day ,Incl of 7 at a very brisk pace but not runnning, every day but its hard to get on after kickin my ass at work, So I usually get 3 work outs of cardio a week. Time is a factor. I used to love doing 30 min of running better. It felt awsome to jump into the shower after a hard run. I also find the incl harder on the joints then running flat. Is the 45 min really that much better then the run
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IMO 30-60mins 4-5 x's wk (the longer the better) is great but-It's all about intensity. Do you keep track of what your HR is during your cardio session? That's what I'm trying to get at-just want to make sure you're not just blindly doing it.

To figure out % of Heart rate reserve (HRR)

you can take 220-age=MHR - RHR (resting Heart rate)X we'll just say .6 for 60% of your HRR then add back in your RH and boom there it is-more individualized for you than just the % of MHR. To figure another % keep everything else the same and just change out the .6 for say .85 for a little more of an anerobic/more intense session.

Hopefully this long winded post makes sense and can help you. I didn't know if you knew about this or not. Good luck and let me know how it goes.
 
I ve never done that. I will work it out and try. I ve always done it blindly but got incredible resulsts none the less. If this makes it even more efficient..Great. Thank you
 
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