M1,4add along with 19nor

DeafPrideSS

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Hey guys.. I'm just posting to ask ya guys opinion and it's not for me. My friend wants to know if he can take m1,4add with 19nor or it's not a good idea? Lmk what yall think. Thanks.
 
Wet but shouldnt be a problem taking them both on the liver side of things with m14add being methyl and 19nor not but watch out for gyno from prolactin and all that shizz.
 
yeah i m o its just askin for boobs the 19 nor alone causes gyno and its half a mystery why and im not the guy to answer that. i am the guy to tell you tren gave me gyno and m14add is wet so it would seem that it would make it worse.. ( there are guys that could explain this much better progestin/gyno/ estro/gyno) how ever im not that guy im the guy that says no man put it down its a bad idea. the shut down from tren is nothing short of life altering if dosed to high or to long (again i m o) now epi and m14add that could be a nice run
 
Yeah I got yall kids but this m1,4add has estrogen block included so shouldn't be plm? It's same as monsterdrol but it's called diesel.
 
it will help if its dosed right. if you got ur heart set on that cycle man you may want to research some vitex,p5p,1-carboxy or even b6 to help with the tren prolaction issues. avoid nolva as your serm as it is told it makes the tren gyno worse. maybe even have some caber on hand. believe me the weird tren half ass gyno is hard to deal with you dont want to sport puffy nips for 4 months till u figure out what works for ya to get rid of that crap.....but it all depends on the person you may run it and be just fine with no ai and a otc pct.....but i wouldnt risk it
 
I just don't see the point of risking it. Just seems like gyno city.

Why use m14ad anyway? Just get some dbol. With converson rate just don't see point. But that's my 2 cents.

I like 19nor with sd kick off:
19nor 90/90/90/120/120/120/120
sd: 10/20/20/10

or

19nor with epi
90/90/90/90/90/90
30/30/40/40/40/40

or just finished mdrol and pplex
got a log and it was steller!
 
Liftingstud said:
I just don't see the point of risking it. Just seems like gyno city.

Why use m14ad anyway? Just get some dbol. With converson rate just don't see point. But that's my 2 cents.

I like 19nor with sd kick off:
19nor 90/90/90/120/120/120/120
sd: 10/20/20/10

or

19nor with epi
90/90/90/90/90/90
30/30/40/40/40/40

or just finished mdrol and pplex
got a log and it was steller!
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hey Lift you prefer the Sd to kick start the tren, is that to soildify the quik gains from the SD, i have seen it run with the tren first, and then the SD. Just looking for advice as i have a cycle like this planned for the future, and to me the tren as a base makes the most sense, but could use enlightenment on this.
 
lyfespan said:
hey Lift you prefer the Sd to kick start the tren, is that to soildify the quik gains from the SD, i have seen it run with the tren first, and then the SD. Just looking for advice as i have a cycle like this planned for the future, and to me the tren as a base makes the most sense, but could use enlightenment on this.
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yes exactly correct...
Talked some with unreal on here anout it and makes great sense.

How can one expect to retain 15-20lbs gained in 3-4 wks? Even with great pct it's very very hard. Your body has no time to adjust to the massive weight gain. The last couple wks with out SD will be used for maintaing or adding a few extra pounds but it's time for the body to adjust. That's our reasoning. After my mdrol/pplex I am a firm believer in this. It's been a 4 days and no weight lost. We will see as time goes.

Ohh yeah plus SD can make a difference right away. Esp by day 3. So this gives time for the other compound to build in the system.

I think sd and tren would be a crazy beast if a strength stack. Adding some very lean mass.
 
Liftingstud said:
yes exactly correct...
Talked some with unreal on here anout it and makes great sense.

How can one expect to retain 15-20lbs gained in 3-4 wks? Even with great pct it's very very hard. Your body has no time to adjust to the massive weight gain. The last couple wks with out SD will be used for maintaing or adding a few extra pounds but it's time for the body to adjust. That's our reasoning. After my mdrol/pplex I am a firm believer in this. It's been a 4 days and no weight lost. We will see as time goes.

Ohh yeah plus SD can make a difference right away. Esp by day 3. So this gives time for the other compound to build in the system.

I think sd and tren would be a crazy beast if a strength stack. Adding some very lean mass.
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what about the risk of rebound gyno from the super and 19nor?
just started:
m14-e by purus labs now at 2 caps a day
and 1 cap of m14add by cel

that will give me 120 mg M14add
and 30mg of epi
..
thinking of bumping the m14add to 150mg after the first 2 weeks depending on gains, sides, etc

(taking atd eod, liv support supps and cholest support)
not meaning to hijaack thread, but my main concern was the advice of running superdrol w/ tren and the prolactin issues that will arrise
along with the supression of the aromatase enzyme for that length of a cycle will cause a rebound unless the taper is PERFECT in pct
 
Yes, bro your taper has to be perfect. How many weeks left prior to PCT?? I will be starting a thread on my cyclobolan cycle so far, and what I think of the product. The article PA put out regarding PCT was a gradual reduction in the dose of the anabolic and a gradual increase in the PCT product, but enough of a dose to kick in at the right time. How much time do you need for PCT? A lot of guys talking about Diesel test hard core. You tried it? I heard it will give you road rage, not roid rage lol... just having fun now bro
 
Cooky32 said:
Yes, bro your taper has to be perfect. How many weeks left prior to PCT?? I will be starting a thread on my cyclobolan cycle so far, and what I think of the product. The article PA put out regarding PCT was a gradual reduction in the dose of the anabolic and a gradual increase in the PCT product, but enough of a dose to kick in at the right time. How much time do you need for PCT? A lot of guys talking about Diesel test hard core. You tried it? I heard it will give you road rage, not roid rage lol... just having fun now bro
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dthc looks good.. im interested in tryin the testopro by anabolic innovations
 
Cool. I just trained chest, and calves. We had to be creative. We did donkey calf raises with plates on our back. Time for macaroni, and some whey protein, and bed bro. I will be PCT Next week.
 
smshannon001 said:
what about the risk of rebound gyno from the super and 19nor?
just started:
m14-e by purus labs now at 2 caps a day
and 1 cap of m14add by cel

that will give me 120 mg M14add
and 30mg of epi
..
thinking of bumping the m14add to 150mg after the first 2 weeks depending on gains, sides, etc

(taking atd eod, liv support supps and cholest support)
not meaning to hijaack thread, but my main concern was the advice of running superdrol w/ tren and the prolactin issues that will arrise
along with the supression of the aromatase enzyme for that length of a cycle will cause a rebound unless the taper is PERFECT in pct
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rebound was from incomplete PCT.

There is always a risk of progestin gyno when using 19-nor due to it's ability to activate those receptors. SD does not. Not sure if an SD motabolite dose. The only way to min risk is to take precautions such as p5p, vitrex and l-dopa (powerfull or igf2). For some reason I also remember something about wanting to keep estrogen low also to help min risk also. Another way to min risk is using clomid fir pct. Tamox has the ability to upregulate progestin receptors from what I have read.
 
Also I don't think aromatase has anything to do with prolactin or progesterone. It is just was converts test into estro... But like I said above estro levels can influence prolactin... So u guess indirectly it could.

This a column and side bar in the Sept MD that takes about the Power pct program. This pct was actually based of a real study and gave great reproducable results:
clomid 50mg 2x/day 4 wks
novla: 20mg 1x/day 6 wks
haven't pulled up the study and were probably used longer anabolics cycles than the 4-6 wkers. The author didn't advocate an AI use do to the fact it has not been proven to work by a study. It is just pure thought, that it should work.
 
smshannon001 said:
what about the risk of rebound gyno from the super and 19nor?
just started:
m14-e by purus labs now at 2 caps a day
and 1 cap of m14add by cel

that will give me 120 mg M14add
and 30mg of epi
..
thinking of bumping the m14add to 150mg after the first 2 weeks depending on gains, sides, etc
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I would say atleast 200mg... At 15% conversion that's 30mg of dbol
 
Liftingstud said:
rebound was from incomplete PCT.

There is always a risk of progestin gyno when using 19-nor due to it's ability to activate those receptors. SD does not. Not sure if an SD motabolite dose. The only way to min risk is to take precautions such as p5p, vitrex and l-dopa (powerfull or igf2). For some reason I also remember something about wanting to keep estrogen low also to help min risk also. Another way to min risk is using clomid fir pct. Tamox has the ability to upregulate progestin receptors from what I have read.
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I'm confused.. 19nor is same as x tren so if I stack wth hdrol and it will give me gyno if I dint use serm?
 
DeafPrideSS said:
I'm confused.. 19nor is same as x tren so if I stack wth hdrol and it will give me gyno if I dint use serm?
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WOW, you are a prime example of a person who definitely needs to do alot of reading and studying, before even considering a cycle, but im sure you'll end up with your hands on sum AAS before educating yourself. Then you wil probably learn from a bad cycle with a sh it load of sides, or maybe your mom and dad have full coverage ins. for ya, and a Dr.can spell it out for ya, or maybe you will get lucky on the first one. Either way, i sentenace you to 6 mo. of reading threads and posts, before answering any of your questions.
 
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