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M-sten/Trenavar/Epistane Cycle

bighulksmash said:
I can only give u my own personal experiences as references. I used exemstane all the way through an 8 week trest halo run ran it like this eod . 12.5/12.5/25/25/25/25/12.5/12.5
I ran clomid for 8 weeks after that 50 mgs ed . No ai in pct for me .
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So for me, with non of my compounds aromatizing, I wouldn't need an AI on cycle, but should have one after for symptoms of gyno?

Thanks for the help, again. I worry too much about gyno lol
 
I'm running a similar cycle. It's trenavar and m-sten. Currently 8 days in at 80-20. The only thing I would say is make sure you have something for cramps. I almost immediately started drying out a lot, which was really cool because I looked vascular as ****. Then cramps started kicking in. Lol. Just an FYI, might as well make sure you address the issue before it comes about.
 
Brandaddy said:
I'm running a similar cycle. It's trenavar and m-sten. Currently 8 days in at 80-20. The only thing I would say is make sure you have something for cramps. I almost immediately started drying out a lot, which was really cool because I looked vascular as ****. Then cramps started kicking in. Lol. Just an FYI, might as well make sure you address the issue before it comes about.
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Yeah, I had read somewhere that msten and tren tend to give some cramps. I get a lot of potassium and drunk plenty so HOPEFULLY im covered. Thanks for the info bran
 
I drink half a gallon of milk a day, a gallon of water, and eat a couple bannas, I still cramped up. Lol. **** is no joke, trust me.
 
Do some research into epi rebound and nolva rebound. It happens more than people think. Like I said it happened to both of my mates. Also that a lot of compounds to be on at same time. Just running msten at a calorie surplus of a 500cals....(extra calories should come from protein only. Takes a lot of extra protein to gain 1 pound of muscle. Your body just didn't magically make 10 pounds of muscle in a few weeks cycle)....will get you 10 pounds+. The epi would give you up to 10 pounds. And the tren could give anywhere from 8-15lbs.

Running this stack could potentially ruin your future gains also. For example if decided to run msten solo later on after this cycle you'd have to run very high doses to see anything. There's a specific name for this when it happens but can't think of the term. It's when your receptors are no longer as responsive or something. Something else for me to research.

I'd get bloods done every week also to watch your liver values. 2 methyls together is a lot of stress. watch for grey coloured stools (poo), whites of your eyes going slightly creamy possibly yellow, feeling sick, lack of appetite and pain from stomach area are signs of liver stress, possibly severe to the point where you have liver failure. Side effect of that is feeling like death and then death follows if nothing is done.

NOT TRYING TO SCARE YOU. This is serious stuff and you need to be prepared and never think "this won't happen to me". The moment you do that you've become complacent.

Old mate put it well before saying expect the best prepare for the worst.
 
james117 said:
Do some research into epi rebound and nolva rebound. It happens more than people think. Like I said it happened to both of my mates. Also that a lot of compounds to be on at same time. Just running msten at a calorie surplus of a 500cals....(extra calories should come from protein only. Takes a lot of extra protein to gain 1 pound of muscle. Your body just didn't magically make 10 pounds of muscle in a few weeks cycle)....will get you 10 pounds+. The epi would give you up to 10 pounds. And the tren could give anywhere from 8-15lbs.

Running this stack could potentially ruin your future gains also. For example if decided to run msten solo later on after this cycle you'd have to run very high doses to see anything. There's a specific name for this when it happens but can't think of the term. It's when your receptors are no longer as responsive or something. Something else for me to research.

I'd get bloods done every week also to watch your liver values. 2 methyls together is a lot of stress. watch for grey coloured stools (poo), whites of your eyes going slightly creamy possibly yellow, feeling sick, lack of appetite and pain from stomach area are signs of liver stress, possibly severe to the point where you have liver failure. Side effect of that is feeling like death and then death follows if nothing is done.

NOT TRYING TO SCARE YOU. This is serious stuff and you need to be prepared and never think "this won't happen to me". The moment you do that you've become complacent.

Old mate put it well before saying expect the best prepare for the worst.
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I was aware of most of that except for the future gains part. Was not aware of that. This is my last oral cycle ever, though. So hopefully everything goes right with the semi lower doses and I'm prepared to stop if plans change. Thanks for the insight. I'm mentally prepared for sides.
 
For the life of me I cannot think where I was reading about that hey. Something about receptors becoming so clogged with different compounds that it causes a dulling effect where they are no longer as receptive to androgens. The part which stuck in my mind was that in theory in can be permanent, which wouldn't surprise me.
 
james117 said:
For the life of me I cannot think where I was reading about that hey. Something about receptors becoming so clogged with different compounds that it causes a dulling effect where they are no longer as receptive to androgens. The part which stuck in my mind was that in theory in can be permanent, which wouldn't surprise me.
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Would this effect say... pinning test e or p in the future? Or just the compounds used ie msten, tren, epi, etc
 
But it's whether they recover and are as sensitive to androgens after solid cycles. And if there's permanent issues from it.
 
I don't think it really matters. Msten and epi etc are still steroids. I really can't say for certain until I can find the information I was reading about it.
 
james117 said:
Know 2 guys who ran epistane for 4 weeks and ran nolva for pct and both got rebound gyno after dropping the nolva. One had it so bad he needed surgery. It stuck out through his shirt and looked like a alien was living inside. This is the reason I'm super hesitant about using PH part from epiandro and 1-Andro. I'd get aromasin and just use the dam stuff right at the end of pct. arimedex will also cause rebound effect similar to the nolva. Also using aromasin with nolva effects your pct for the worst I think. Not sure on that one. But I was reading somewhere about it. If so just start the AI last week or last few days of nolva.
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Say I do use exemestane, would it look like this PCT?:

nolva 20/20/10/10/0/0/0
exemestane 0/0/0/25/25/12.5/12.5 ed or eod?

OR
nolva 20/20/10/10
exem 0/0/25/12.5 ed

thanks
 
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