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M-sten stack suggestions

bigbeaph

bigbeaph

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Due to complications I decided to drop my eq about 4 weeks early.....so I want to end with a good oral stack instead. Running test @ 500/wk now. I've got 65 caps X 10mg msten and ive never ran it before. Figure I could buy another bottle and run it at 40 - 4 wks...or I have some sd on hand. Maybe I run 20mg msten and 7-10 sd? That would be convenient but dont think I've seen that run before. If I had to buy something I thought of M1A at 30-45mg along with 20mg msten. And I'll probably throw in dienolone td the last week and continue 3 weeks past that. Figured it would be bad while trying to put on a lot of weight. Any of these suggestions sound better than the others? Havent run orals for about a year and a half now and havent kept up on them as I should have!
 
Good question. I recently got liquid M-Sten and although I know DMZ and SD real well, have not ran the M-Sten yet...

Curious for non methyl or TD stack options too.
 
Chados said:
You have some pretty awesome tds like liquiden that stacks fairly well with msten.
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Thanks - didnt realize they would stack so well. I bet the strength gains are pretty awesome though. Could I pull that off with just 20mg msten?
 
1-t (pred do nano 1-t) would stack nice with m sten from what I’ve seen (plus I’m planning to do that combo myself).
 
benjamfzb said:
Trenavar is nice with msten for recomp effect
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Original plan was to recomp right now and clean up my sloppy weight. But bc everything went sideways I ended my "bulk" with abs.....so again, size is the prize!
 
bigbeaph said:
Thanks - didnt realize they would stack so well. I bet the strength gains are pretty awesome though. Could I pull that off with just 20mg msten?
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I haven't ran msten besides nanodrol which is much stronger with biovability. I'd think 20mg msten is still a fairly strong dosage.
 
Whisky said:
1-t (pred do nano 1-t) would stack nice with m sten from what I’ve seen (plus I’m planning to do that combo myself).
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That's another one or liquittren, they all work quite well form that brand I must say.
 
20msten 10sd should be a great finisher
 
Let me know if you run it because sd + msten or will most likely be in my blast in may and I’d be curious how it goes for you
 
Mathb33 said:
Let me know if you run it because sd + msten or will most likely be in my blast in may and I’d be curious how it goes for you
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Will do brother. Already started it today . Think I'll start with 20mg msten divided twice daily and 7mg sd preworkout. Then if things go well after a week I'll bump the sd to 10mg divided twice daily as well. Finish it all off with dien probably...although I am tempted to save it for beach season....but will see how it goes
 
Seriously guys...thank you. Had a rough spot lately and then the cycle I was chomping at the bit for go to crap....still good gains but cut short and couldn't keep up the eating for a few weeks etc. So should have had more...but now I'm fukin excited to run this....oughta be fun!

Hit a PR last night - 4 sets 8-10 reps db military with the 115's. Now to throw msten and sd on top of that I can set my goals a little higher. Love this sh!t!
 
bigbeaph said:
Will do brother. Already started it today . Think I'll start with 20mg msten divided twice daily and 7mg sd preworkout. Then if things go well after a week I'll bump the sd to 10mg divided twice daily as well. Finish it all off with dien probably...although I am tempted to save it for beach season....but will see how it goes
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Sick. Really curious to see what’s up!! Rock that **** up bro. I was thinking using the SD PW too
 
Yeah that's a hefty dose of orals, but if you can push through any sides and train/ eat like you should it should be very rewarding. Prob. less sides than 20mg SD if I had to guess......I'd do it, lol.
 
RickyBlobby said:
Yeah that's a hefty dose of orals, but if you can push through any sides and train/ eat like you should it should be very rewarding. Prob. less sides than 20mg SD if I had to guess......I'd do it, lol.
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Kind of my line of thinking too. 20mg m-sten is very low right?....last time I looked into it I saw a mike Arnold article that said it should really be run around 40mg.
 
bigbeaph said:
Kind of my line of thinking too. 20mg m-sten is very low right?....last time I looked into it I saw a mike Arnold article that said it should really be run around 40mg.
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Uh... sort of? I’ve seen it run high but I’ve seen guys getting bad blood pressure sides on just 15mg. It used to come in 4mg caps. 20-30mg seems about as high as you could get away with probably.

40mg as injectable, sure.

Unfortunately I apparently suck at this these days, I didn’t get much from it at 20mg for gains or sides respectively. Pumps though, so something was in it for sure.

Not sure what it is but I’m just not getting the results from orals that I used to at all. I thought it would be like I was starting over. This is like starting over as a whole new guy.
 
Too bad heavy stacks aren’t more popular on the shelves. I’d like to see OL UK do a product called something like DEM1-DROL. And it would be MSten (ultradrol) and superdrol stacked in one capsule. Either 2:1 or 1:1
 
Old Witch said:
Uh... sort of? I’ve seen it run high but I’ve seen guys getting bad blood pressure sides on just 15mg. It used to come in 4mg caps. 20-30mg seems about as high as you could get away with probably.

40mg as injectable, sure.

Unfortunately I apparently suck at this these days, I didn’t get much from it at 20mg for gains or sides respectively. Pumps though, so something was in it for sure.

Not sure what it is but I’m just not getting the results from orals that I used to at all. I thought it would be like I was starting over. This is like starting over as a whole new guy.
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Man that sucks. Late '17 I had a fantastic m1a run and decided to stop orals at least mostly. Since they can generate such crazy results I figured I would just keep that idea in my pocket for a time of need. If this stack doesn't do what it should ....i'll be heartbroken. Would suck not being able to have these ds for a quick 10-15 solid lbs. I thought you were getting ready for a blast oldwitch ... are you running something now?
 
M1T and superdrol are strong as ****, you won't find stronger steroids than that.


Edit misread.. Msten is also super strong also. You'd definitely experience quick gains up to 15 lbs easily. Nanodrol is more potent tho so I'm not sure how effective oral (pill) msten is at 20mg but it's not gonna be weak
 
bigbeaph said:
Man that sucks. Late '17 I had a fantastic m1a run and decided to stop orals at least mostly. Since they can generate such crazy results I figured I would just keep that idea in my pocket for a time of need. If this stack doesn't do what it should ....i'll be heartbroken. Would suck not being able to have these ds for a quick 10-15 solid lbs. I thought you were getting ready for a blast oldwitch ... are you running something now?
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I am getting ready for a blast indeed. I tried some random brand of MSten last year in the middle of the year. Must have been bunk or something. Maybe just a little methyltest in there. Or maybe I’m just not responding like I used to.

If you’re stacking 20mg MSten with 10mg superdrol I’m certain it will put some weight on.
 
Old Witch said:
It was Pit Pharma M-bolo btw
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I think I remember a thread from a few months ago where several people were not pleased with their pit pharma stuff....
 
Chados said:
M1T and superdrol are strong as ****, you won't find stronger steroids than that.


Edit misread.. Msten is also super strong also. You'd definitely experience quick gains up to 15 lbs easily. Nanodrol is more potent tho so I'm not sure how effective oral (pill) msten is at 20mg but it's not gonna be weak
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I'd love to try that nanodrol one of these days. Just hard to justify the price on that website at times when there is so much else out there. I actually picked up this msten from god ol premier oils before they closed down so I'm fairly confident it's good stuff.
 
bigbeaph said:
I'd love to try that nanodrol one of these days. Just hard to justify the price on that website at times when there is so much else out there. I actually picked up this msten from god ol premier oils before they closed down so I'm fairly confident it's good stuff.
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Yeah it's high but it's really not that expensive considering it's sold legally in the UK. You'll be happy with msten regardless, it's just more potent per mg.
 
Chados said:
Yeah it's high but it's really not that expensive considering it's sold legally in the UK. You'll be happy with msten regardless, it's just more potent per mg.
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It’s sold legally in the US too. All over the place. Any oral prep of MSten should be equipotent. The next rung would or should be the PRO MSten injectable.
 
40 mg of msten would have you feeling like total crap. Your appetite will be zero and bp would probably be high. I would just take 20 mg. I feel msten is nearly as strong as superdrol.
 
dvw said:
40 mg of msten would have you feeling like total crap. Your appetite will be zero and bp would probably be high. I would just take 20 mg. I feel msten is nearly as strong as superdrol.
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Good to know - even more excited for the run now
 
dvw said:
40 mg of msten would have you feeling like total crap. Your appetite will be zero and bp would probably be high. I would just take 20 mg. I feel msten is nearly as strong as superdrol.
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Yeah totally. I’d expect to feel about as ****ty from the same dose of each. Almost.
 
Old Witch said:
Yeah totally. I’d expect to feel about as ****ty from the same dose of each. Almost.
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Lmao - glad I put this thread up now. I was way off!
 
bigbeaph said:
Lmao - glad I put this thread up now. I was way off!
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Well, I mean, I did say almost. M Sten is still going to be weaker, and weaker for sides, mg for mg. But not by much.

Though for the solo MSten runs I’ve only seen maybe two guys ever who had great results. You’d think it would be amazing considering superdrol is to dht as MSten is to dhb. But it isn’t. It’s good for sure. Just not amazing, superdrol is amazing, M1T is amazing.
 
Chados said:
Yeah it's high but it's really not that expensive considering it's sold legally in the UK. You'll be happy with msten regardless, it's just more potent per mg.
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So bigbeaph you may want to try synergy research labs, liquid M-Sten 15mg/ml, 60ml bottles. Domestic US. Way more affordable than nanodrol from UK.
Chados, I understand how nanodrol (micro particulated, or perhaps nano particulated MSten powder in liquid suspension) might be more absorbable than say bulk MSten powder capped orally... Same way micronized creatine absorbs better than bulk creatine grains orally.

However, liquid M-Sten should be just as nanoparticulated, being it's dissolved in solution.. Going to log this soon, as I can compare it to Sdrol, DMZ, and M1A/M1T runs before. Would like to compare to nanodrol directly. Never tried capped poweder MSten myself.

Price on synergy Msten liquid is way better than Predator nanodrol. Reviews on synergy have been all good from what I've seen.
 
PoSiTiVeFLoW said:
So bigbeaph you may want to try synergy research labs, liquid M-Sten 15mg/ml, 60ml bottles. Domestic US. Way more affordable than nanodrol from UK.
Chados, I understand how nanodrol (micro particulated, or perhaps nano particulated MSten powder in liquid suspension) might be more absorbable than say bulk MSten powder capped orally... Same way micronized creatine absorbs better than bulk creatine grains orally.

However, liquid M-Sten should be just as nanoparticulated, being it's dissolved in solution.. Going to log this soon, as I can compare it to Sdrol, DMZ, and M1A/M1T runs before. Would like to compare to nanodrol directly. Never tried capped poweder MSten myself.

Price on synergy Msten liquid is way better than Predator nanodrol. Reviews on synergy have been all good from what I've seen.
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That's fair to assume. I can't really speak for it I just know you get quality with the company that makes nanodrol. (a name I can't remember right now)
 
Old Witch said:
Well, I mean, I did say almost. M Sten is still going to be weaker, and weaker for sides, mg for mg. But not by much.

Though for the solo MSten runs I’ve only seen maybe two guys ever who had great results. You’d think it would be amazing considering superdrol is to dht as MSten is to dhb. But it isn’t. It’s good for sure. Just not amazing, superdrol is amazing, M1T is amazing.
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Oh I'd say it's amazing. It's by far the least side reported bulker out there that can compete with the big ones such as anadrol, adrol, M1T etc. It gives far better gains in my opinion than all of these. Superdrol just fills you up making you more round, msten can give a little bloat but you'll lean out far better than superdrol. I also find it easier to keep the look after an msten cycle. injectible superdrol is another thing, it doesn't get better than that.
 
PoSiTiVeFLoW said:
So bigbeaph you may want to try synergy research labs, liquid M-Sten 15mg/ml, 60ml bottles. Domestic US. Way more affordable than nanodrol from UK.
Chados, I understand how nanodrol (micro particulated, or perhaps nano particulated MSten powder in liquid suspension) might be more absorbable than say bulk MSten powder capped orally... Same way micronized creatine absorbs better than bulk creatine grains orally.

However, liquid M-Sten should be just as nanoparticulated, being it's dissolved in solution.. Going to log this soon, as I can compare it to Sdrol, DMZ, and M1A/M1T runs before. Would like to compare to nanodrol directly. Never tried capped poweder MSten myself.

Price on synergy Msten liquid is way better than Predator nanodrol. Reviews on synergy have been all good from what I've seen.
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Have to check them out Pflow - thanks. I always thought that msten vs. Nanoparticulated msten was similar to the difference between say the labs that make winstrol inject vs micronized winstrol inject. So I figured nanodrol was a one of a kind type product.
 
bigbeaph said:
Have to check them out Pflow - thanks. I always thought that msten vs. Nanoparticulated msten was similar to the difference between say the labs that make winstrol inject vs micronized winstrol inject. So I figured nanodrol was a one of a kind type product.
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Yeah the synergy liquid M-Sten I have is clear with food coloring, there website shows it too... All of their products are clear solutions. Since fully dissolved in solution (already at molecular level) and that should absorb as well as micro/nano sized solid powders suspended in a fluid.. both of these would likely be better than the large grain powder, orally taken.

But then, don't have testing to backup my theory.. which is why I was making the creatine analogy. But it seems be a marketing claim of nanodrol and user feedback seems to support. I am taking a shot and trying to save a buck. :) Since wife tracks my purchases a 70£ cost at predator will be noticed more than $40 at synergy, ha.
 
PoSiTiVeFLoW said:
Yeah the synergy liquid M-Sten I have is clear with food coloring, there website shows it too... All of their products are clear solutions. Since fully dissolved in solution (already at molecular level) and that should absorb as well as micro/nano sized solid powders suspended in a fluid.. both of these would likely be better than the large grain powder, orally taken.

But then, don't have testing to backup my theory.. which is why I was making the creatine analogy. But it seems be a marketing claim of nanodrol and user feedback seems to support. I am taking a shot and trying to save a buck. :) Since wife tracks my purchases a 70£ cost at predator will be noticed more than $40 at synergy, ha.
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Highly possible someone copied nanodrol, highly possible.
 
Chados said:
Highly possible someone copied nanodrol, highly possible.
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Nah, they are different nanodrol = nanoparticulated M-Sten (very fine powder) suspended in fluid. This would keep M-Sten stable and help particles absorb into membranes more easily, once ingested..

However, liquid M-Sten here from synergy research labs, is just M-Sten dissolved into ethanol solution. But at a good dose and price.

There maybe advantages to keeping M-Sten as a very small solid particle, versus having it dissolved molecularly in alcohol?

Not saying they're copied, def different products.
 
PoSiTiVeFLoW said:
Nah, they are different nanodrol = nanoparticulated M-Sten (very fine powder) suspended in fluid. This would keep M-Sten stable and help particles absorb into membranes more easily, once ingested..

However, liquid M-Sten here from synergy research labs, is just M-Sten dissolved into ethanol solution. But at a good dose and price.

There maybe advantages to keeping M-Sten as a very small solid particle, versus having it dissolved molecularly in alcohol?

Not saying they're copied, def different products.
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I saw NOS labs opened back up and looked like they had some awesome priced liquid msten..
 
bigbeaph said:
I saw NOS labs opened back up and looked like they had some awesome priced liquid msten..
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Awesome sauce :) going to check them out. Never really got to. Man got a lot of 6a-Hexadrone coming from PRE liking the idea of halogenated steroids, perhaps instead of methylated...

That said, can't wait to finally run liquid M-Sten from SRL in October. And TD Epistane from Transformation Labs after that.
 
Got me a bottle, itching to run it to finish my blast even though I kickstarted with it.
 
PoSiTiVeFLoW said:
Nah, they are different nanodrol = nanoparticulated M-Sten (very fine powder) suspended in fluid. This would keep M-Sten stable and help particles absorb into membranes more easily, once ingested..

However, liquid M-Sten here from synergy research labs, is just M-Sten dissolved into ethanol solution. But at a good dose and price.

There maybe advantages to keeping M-Sten as a very small solid particle, versus having it dissolved molecularly in alcohol?

Not saying they're copied, def different products.
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I smell what you’re dropping. And I think I agree that any liquid solution is going to be roughly equal nano vs normal powder, all other things being equal. I’ve tried micronized winstrol. It’s winstrol. Ooooooooooo
 
PoSiTiVeFLoW said:
You are not kidding - Invalid Link Removed
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Haha - I just saw that this morning.

Weren't you worried about the hexadrone messing up your trt testosterone readings? Did you find that to not be true?
 
Old Witch said:
I smell what you’re dropping. And I think I agree that any liquid solution is going to be roughly equal nano vs normal powder, all other things being equal. I’ve tried micronized winstrol. It’s winstrol. Ooooooooooo
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I just am not following you guys on this liquid vs. Powder. Doesnt the powder get dissolved into liquids minutes after being swallowed? Sounds like the same thing to me.....

If this were true I'd think many more ugl's would be putting their anadrol, dbol, viagra....etc into liquids.
 
bigbeaph said:
I just am not following you guys on this liquid vs. Powder. Doesnt the powder get dissolved into liquids minutes after being swallowed? Sounds like the same thing to me.....

If this were true I'd think many more ugl's would be putting their anadrol, dbol, viagra....etc into liquids.
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I’m just saying that any old solution of MSten is going to be about equal. Nanoparticles or not. Because, like you just said, it all dissolves and once it’s dissolved it’s dissolved. Doesn’t matter how it happens.
 
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