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M-Sten Dosage

Drolball

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Hey AM, got an msten cycle planned starting mid-February. It's been a while since I've touched a stronger PH/DS such as msten, but last time I ran it, I remember enjoying it a lot.

I'm on TRT 200mg/week so no worries on PCT. Will have necessary supports. If interested I will add what they are.

Not sure how I want to run this. Was wondering what you guys think would be best.

1. 20 mg right out the gate for 4 weeks
2. 10/20/20/30
3. 10/10/20/20/20

Stats/goals:
Right now I'm sitting at 180 around 12% bf at 5'11.
My goal is to put on 5 - 10lbs and lose some bf. So a bit of a recomp/mini bulk.
I'm either going to eat maintenance or just above.

Thanks in advance.
 
I think any of those options will work. Personally, I would go with the first one but I like to keep it simple and straightforward. Some people build up to 30mg or 40mgs but 20mgs gets the job done for me. Once you're at that 40 or 50mgs you might as well just be taking sdrol.
 
From my personal experience (just had to say that because everyone likes to argue lately)

So, from my experience 10mg is a waste. 20 is when I noticed it working and 30-50 shows its full potential. I never lost appetite or felt crappy on any dose.

Now, not my experience but from guys I've talked to. 20-40 was the sweet spot but a few of those guys got horrible heartburn and acid reflux as well as loss of appetite at 20+MG, I think @Hyde Gets the loss of appetite and stuff at any dose.

So if your trying to grow and can't eat then what's the point. If your cutting it probably makes more sense, like with most orals
 
Drolball said:
Hey AM, got an msten cycle planned starting mid-February. It's been a while since I've touched a stronger PH/DS such as msten, but last time I ran it, I remember enjoying it a lot.

I'm on TRT 200mg/week so no worries on PCT. Will have necessary supports. If interested I will add what they are.

Not sure how I want to run this. Was wondering what you guys think would be best.

1. 20 mg right out the gate for 4 weeks
2. 10/20/20/30
3. 10/10/20/20/20

Stats/goals:
Right now I'm sitting at 180 around 12% bf at 5'11.
My goal is to put on 5 - 10lbs and lose some bf. So a bit of a recomp/mini bulk.
I'm either going to eat maintenance or just above.

Thanks in advance.
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Also, your not gaining 10lbs of muscle while loosing BF, that's a pipe dream on 1 cycle. It's a good goal for a year tho.

Are you only 180 in your avatar? You look much larger going by your back/lats

👍
 
Smont said:
From my personal experience (just had to say that because everyone likes to argue lately)

So, from my experience 10mg is a waste. 20 is when I noticed it working and 30-50 shows its full potential. I never lost appetite or felt crappy on any dose.

Now, not my experience but from guys I've talked to. 20-40 was the sweet spot but a few of those guys got horrible heartburn and acid reflux as well as loss of appetite at 20+MG, I think @Hyde Gets the loss of appetite and stuff at any dose.

So if your trying to grow and can't eat then what's the point. If your cutting it probably makes more sense, like with most orals
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20mgs - 30mgs is a good range for me. I never went up to 40 or 50mg but I'd imagine the gains would be pretty sweet. Out of curiosity, how do the sides from 50mgs of Msten compare to 20 - 25mgs of sdrol? I could go up to 50mgs of Msten but kind of don't even bother as I feel like it makes more sense to just run sdrol at half the dose.
 
Stacks1 said:
20mgs - 30mgs is a good range for me. I never went up to 40 or 50mg but I'd imagine the gains would be pretty sweet. Out of curiosity, how do the sides from 50mgs of Msten compare to 20 - 25mgs of sdrol? I could go up to 50mgs of Msten but kind of don't even bother as I feel like it makes more sense to just run sdrol at half the dose.
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Idk because I never got sides from either really. Id pick SD over msten tho. 30mg SD is probably better then 50 msten.
 
Stacks1 said:
I think any of those options will work. Personally, I would go with the first one but I like to keep it simple and straightforward. Some people build up to 30mg or 40mgs but 20mgs gets the job done for me. Once you're at that 40 or 50mgs you might as well just be taking sdrol.
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I think I’m leaning towards the first one. 20 seems to be the sweet spot for most.
 
Smont said:
From my personal experience (just had to say that because everyone likes to argue lately)

So, from my experience 10mg is a waste. 20 is when I noticed it working and 30-50 shows its full potential. I never lost appetite or felt crappy on any dose.

Now, not my experience but from guys I've talked to. 20-40 was the sweet spot but a few of those guys got horrible heartburn and acid reflux as well as loss of appetite at 20+MG, I think @Hyde Gets the loss of appetite and stuff at any dose.

So if your trying to grow and can't eat then what's the point. If your cutting it probably makes more sense, like with most orals
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Probably going with 20 straight through. From what I recall I didn’t have any side effects last time with ultradrol, but I don’t think I went higher than 12 or 16mg.
Yeah that completely beats the purpose. I think I read that happens a lot with adrol too. Could be mixing it up
Smont said:
Also, your not gaining 10lbs of muscle while loosing BF, that's a pipe dream on 1 cycle. It's a good goal for a year tho.

Are you only 180 in your avatar? You look much larger going by your back/lats

👍
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haha gotta dream big and keep expectations low. I’d be completely content with 3-5 lbs and a 2% drop in bf. I did respond to it well last time at a lower dosage

a little less and a bit leaner. To be fair I had a bit of a pump lingering when I took that. I’ve always had ppl say I look heavier than I am, though.
 
Stacks1 said:
20mgs - 30mgs is a good range for me. I never went up to 40 or 50mg but I'd imagine the gains would be pretty sweet. Out of curiosity, how do the sides from 50mgs of Msten compare to 20 - 25mgs of sdrol? I could go up to 50mgs of Msten but kind of don't even bother as I feel like it makes more sense to just run sdrol at half the dose.
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Did you experience any sides in the 20-30 range?
 
Drolball said:
Did you experience any sides in the 20-30 range?
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Not really anything out of the usual. A bump in my BP and everything that comes with that but it can always be somewhat mitigated with some supplements and cutting out all stims. Maybe a little lethargy too. The usual stuff you have to keep an eye out for anything you take. If I bumped it to 50mgs or so I'm sure the sides would intensify quite a bit.
 
Renew1 said:
I personally don't experience any sides to speak of at 20mg-30mg (although a good many guys do). 30mg is a good dose for me.
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Nice man, how was your run? I'm excited to give it another go with a better foundation and more experience.
 
Quick question, why are we picking msten over regular gear. 50mg of anadrol or 20mg SD, all would be cheaper and provide= or better results. I'd even argue that 50mg anadrol is probably safer then 30mg msten from a toxicity perspective
 
Smont said:
Quick question, why are we picking msten over regular gear. 50mg of anadrol or 20mg SD, all would be cheaper and provide= or better results. I'd even argue that 50mg anadrol is probably safer then 30mg msten from a toxicity perspective
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Nowadays I would opt for regular gear, but my buddy threw me a bottle from brawn so I figured wth.
 
Drolball said:
Nowadays I would opt for regular gear, but my buddy threw me a bottle from brawn so I figured wth.
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That's how it always goes. I'm sitting on bottles of M1A, sdrol, M1,4-add, M1T, hdrol, Msten, mecha, etc. You kind of don't want to run some of them but you also don't want them to go to waste. I really need to put a pause on buying though.. I have enough to last me the next 10 years.
 
With quality msten I've never needed more then 20mgs.

Iron forged nutrition was the best version I ever used and ironmag labs was prob next.

I do prefer to break.it up into 10mgs 2x a day or I get nasty heartburn and also nasty muscle pumps.
 
Stacks1 said:
That's how it always goes. I'm sitting on bottles of M1A, sdrol, M1,4-add, M1T, hdrol, Msten, mecha, etc. You kind of don't want to run some of them but you also don't want them to go to waste. I really need to put a pause on buying though.. I have enough to last me the next 10 years.
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Nice stash you got there. I want to try SD again in the future along with phera.
 
WesleyInman said:
With quality msten I've never needed more then 20mgs.

Iron forged nutrition was the best version I ever used and ironmag labs was prob next.

I do prefer to break.it up into 10mgs 2x a day or I get nasty heartburn and also nasty muscle pumps.
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I forget who made ultradrol, but that stuff was good.

Yeah I plan on splitting it one in the am and one PWO/8hrs later.
 
Drolball said:
Nice stash you got there. I want to try SD again in the future along with phera.
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Yeah it's a nice stash for sure. I keep them stored well as I suspect I won't be using some of them until many years after their expiration date though lol. You can still get SD and phera from the UK. There are actually plenty of US sources still for all these things but Brawn Nutrition is a really solid company and only has distributors overseas.
 
Stacks1 said:
Yeah it's a nice stash for sure. I keep them stored well as I suspect I won't be using some of them until many years after their expiration date though lol. You can still get SD and phera from the UK. There are actually plenty of US sources still for all these things but Brawn Nutrition is a really solid company and only has distributors overseas.
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For sure, I had epi from LGI stored for like 5-6 years one time and it was f***ing solid. I'm definitely pumped to try brawn's msten. I've heard nothing but good stuff from them. I saw predator has phera in stock now, so I'll prob grab some in the future, and yeah a lot of ugl places have SD domestically now. Kinda pricey from the $20-30 mdrol days lol.
 
Stacks1 said:
That's how it always goes. I'm sitting on bottles of M1A, sdrol, M1,4-add, M1T, hdrol, Msten, mecha, etc. You kind of don't want to run some of them but you also don't want them to go to waste. I really need to put a pause on buying though.. I have enough to last me the next 10 years.
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Really not a bad problem to have tho lol
 
Drolball said:
For sure, I had epi from LGI stored for like 5-6 years one time and it was f***ing solid. I'm definitely pumped to try brawn's msten. I've heard nothing but good stuff from them. I saw predator has phera in stock now, so I'll prob grab some in the future, and yeah a lot of ugl places have SD domestically now. Kinda pricey from the $20-30 mdrol days lol.
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It's crazy expensive but crazy convenient. And you never know what you're really getting. UK products will list the compounds on the bottle because they are still legal. The UGLs in the USA will just write "Superdrol" or "M1T" on the ingredients because the compound is illegal so they use the name but don't list the actual compound. Now you assume the compound is in there but who the hell really knows for sure.
 
Stacks1 said:
It's crazy expensive but crazy convenient. And you never know what you're really getting. UK products will list the compounds on the bottle because they are still legal. The UGLs in the USA will just write "Superdrol" or "M1T" on the ingredients because the compound is illegal so they use the name but don't list the actual compound. Now you assume the compound is in there but who the hell really knows for sure.
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Some UGLs actually list the compound. Most don't, because there is no need. We know what they're selling, and we know what we're buying (if we know our source).

I've seen UK products sell crap, even though they listed a steroid compound on the label.

It's just best to deal with someone you know, if you can.

(y)💪
 
Renew1 said:
Some UGLs actually list the compound. Most don't, because there is no need. We know what they're selling, and we know what we're buying (if we know our source).

I've seen UK products sell crap, even though they listed a steroid compound on the label.

It's just best to deal with someone you know, if you can.

(y)💪
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Interesting. From a legal perspective there might not be anything wrong with using the Superdrol or M1T name, however if they listed the actual compound on the bottle then it would automatically be illegal... just claiming that you are selling an illegal substance out in the open. That's why I thought some of them specifically left off the compound name. However, I can also be 100% completely wrong... after all it was just a guess 😕
 
Stacks1 said:
Interesting. From a legal perspective there might not be anything wrong with using the Superdrol or M1T name, however if they listed the actual compound on the bottle then it would automatically be illegal... just claiming that you are selling an illegal substance out in the open. That's why I thought some of them specifically left off the compound name. However, I can also be 100% completely wrong... after all it was just a guess 😕
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You're right.
It's illegal to sell something, claiming it is an illegal substance.

But if they put what's supposed to be in the bottle or vial in there, it's illegal anyway.
 
Renew1 said:
You're right.
It's illegal to sell something, claiming it is an illegal substance.

But if they put what's supposed to be in the bottle or vial in there, it's illegal anyway.
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That's true. Maybe they're hoping that if they don't list the actual compound that it won't get picked up by LE or something. Like if they listed the ingredients on the bottle as "Superdrol" LE would have to test it to confirm it is an illegal substance because it could technically be anything... vitamin C, laxogenin, etc. However, if they list 2a, 17a di methyl etiocholan 3-one, 17b-ol -10 then they automatically have them. So maybe that is the thought process... that it's a 2 step process in getting caught rather than a 1 step. I don't really know though... like I said, just a guess.
 
Stacks1 said:
That's true. Maybe they're hoping that if they don't list the actual compound that it won't get picked up by LE or something. Like if they listed the ingredients on the bottle as "Superdrol" LE would have to test it to confirm it is an illegal substance because it could technically be anything... vitamin C, laxogenin, etc. However, if they list 2a, 17a di methyl etiocholan 3-one, 17b-ol -10 then they automatically have them. So maybe that is the thought process... that it's a 2 step process in getting caught rather than a 1 step. I don't really know though... like I said, just a guess.
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From what I've seen/read although it is illegal to sell a legal substance, claiming it to be an illegal one (on the label), they generally don't get prosecuted for that. .... So really, it is the same amount of steps. They always check the substance before attempting to prosecute.
 
Stacks1 said:
It's crazy expensive but crazy convenient. And you never know what you're really getting. UK products will list the compounds on the bottle because they are still legal. The UGLs in the USA will just write "Superdrol" or "M1T" on the ingredients because the compound is illegal so they use the name but don't list the actual compound. Now you assume the compound is in there but who the hell really knows for sure.
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I highly doubt reputable UGLs would not put the actual compound in there geneza, beligas, alpha pharma etc
 
Mikereyn513 said:
I highly doubt reputable UGLs would not put the actual compound in there geneza, beligas, alpha pharma etc
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That's why you have to stick to the ones you know and trust. Just noticed my bottle of M1T says 90 pills on the front and 60 pills on the back under the product facts. An honest mistake, total bunk, or another bottle of pills filled with dbol? Who knows...
 
Stacks1 said:
That's true. Maybe they're hoping that if they don't list the actual compound that it won't get picked up by LE or something. Like if they listed the ingredients on the bottle as "Superdrol" LE would have to test it to confirm it is an illegal substance because it could technically be anything... vitamin C, laxogenin, etc. However, if they list 2a, 17a di methyl etiocholan 3-one, 17b-ol -10 then they automatically have them. So maybe that is the thought process... that it's a 2 step process in getting caught rather than a 1 step. I don't really know though... like I said, just a guess.
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I think the logic is there, but then you have oils from ugls that have the full compound on them. Seems that if you're not going through customs and you're not ordering a **** ton at once, you really shouldn't have much of an issue.
 
Drolball said:
I think the logic is there, but then you have oils from ugls that have the full compound on them. Seems that if you're not going through customs and you're not ordering a **** ton at once, you really shouldn't have much of an issue.
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If you're not going through customs you're pretty much safe. And even if you do go through customs, which I've done several times, I've never had an issue but have heard of people having issues.

But when you look at some of these products you just hope that they are almost bunk. When I bought my M1T there was another underground brand that was selling M1T, however it was stacked with 4 SARMS and another methylated PH.... and I think they threw in laxogenin.... because.... why not? I don't remember the name but it should have been called the **** Out Your Liver Special. When you see a product like that you almost hope it's under dosed or bunk. Either way, there is no reason to ever purchase a product like that... not really sure who their core market is either but it's pretty scary if it's actually legit.
 
Stacks1 said:
If you're not going through customs you're pretty much safe. And even if you do go through customs, which I've done several times, I've never had an issue but have heard of people having issues.

But when you look at some of these products you just hope that they are almost bunk. When I bought my M1T there was another underground brand that was selling M1T, however it was stacked with 4 SARMS and another methylated PH.... and I think they threw in laxogenin.... because.... why not? I don't remember the name but it should have been called the **** Out Your Liver Special. When you see a product like that you almost hope it's under dosed or bunk. Either way, there is no reason to ever purchase a product like that... not really sure who their core market is either but it's pretty scary if it's actually legit.
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I've had primo get seized once, but my source credited me and let me order domestically.

Yeah I see what your saying. Reminds me of the pre PH ban days where you could find like 4 methylated compounds in one bottle smh.
 
Drolball said:
I've had primo get seized once, but my source credited me and let me order domestically.

Yeah I see what your saying. Reminds me of the pre PH ban days where you could find like 4 methylated compounds in one bottle smh.
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Plenty of those are still floating around like Yeti. But I was still pretty surprised when I saw M1T stacked with another methylated compound and 4 SARMS. I mean who comes up with this stuff?
 
Mikereyn513 said:
Medfit Rx lol
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Oh yeah I remember those like King and Kong. The crazy part is that I actually liked Medfit Rx. Those products where they stacked a ton of PHs or SARMs were dumb and I would never touch them but they also made a lot of singular compound products and the quality was very good. Still have a bottle of their M1A stashed away. Actually wish I would have bought more stuff from them before they got put behind bars. But as good as the quality of their ingredients were they made a lot of dumb products.
 
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