M-sten, DMZ, and Alpha-1; Overkill?

[wrastler163]

Already have M-sten and DMZ was going to run M-sten @ 20/20/20/20/30/30 and DMZ @ 30/30/30/45/45/45

Wanted to add a 3rd compound and was looking at alpha-1, but seems like some on here think that's overkill

 

[RickyBlobby]

Way overkill at your stats. You better be eating 5k calories to take full advantage of the current cycle

 

[wrastler163]

Way overkill at your stats. You better be eating 5k calories to take full advantage of the current cycle

no idea what my stats are on this site, I'm 5'8 185lbs @ ~10% BF. Been lifting with a good routine for 7+ years w/ a degree in exercise science and my diet is solid, just wondering if the Alpha-1 would be synergistic

 

[RickyBlobby]

no idea what my stats are on this site, I'm 5'8 185lbs @ ~10% BF. Been lifting with a good routine for 7+ years w/ a degree in exercise science and my diet is solid, just wondering if the Alpha-1 would be synergistic

Oh your stats say 160lb 5'7. In that case you are pretty solid. Try it and let us know but my guess is you're gonna stress your system and sabotage your gains. Better to be training and resting at 100% IMO

I would just run 2 of 3 or run all 3 at lower doses. I am a fan of stacking compounds, I believe it hits different receptors and synergistically enhances gains.

 

[adammorrow36]

I did an all in one a while back that had msten dmz and alpha 1 and i cudnt get past a week i felt like straight dog **** i still have the bottle

 

[Smont]

Just stick with your original plan. I'd go 30mg each straight through tho

 

[wrastler163]

hmm f*** it I think I'll try it for 2 weeks with M-sten and DMZ @ 20/30 mgs respectively, then bump up the Msten and DMZ when I drop Alpha-1. I'll start slow and if I get negative sides drop the Alpha-1. I'll try to log it on here when the time comes

 

[wrastler163]

Just stick with your original plan. I'd go 30mg each straight through tho

even 30 mg of DMZ? I've read a lot of people say you need a higher dose of DMZ compared to Msten


Thanks guys

 

[wrastler163]

I did an all in one a while back that had msten dmz and alpha 1 and i cudnt get past a week i felt like straight dog **** i still have the bottle

just curious do u remember what dose you were taking each at? Thanks man

 

[Smont]

even 30 mg of DMZ? I've read a lot of people say you need a higher dose of DMZ compared to Msten

30mg of dmz was my starting point. But with 30mg of sten too I wouldn't see a need to raise it. It's not like balancing test and deca

 

[adammorrow36]

just curious do u remember what dose you were taking each at? Thanks man

I will check when i get home

 

[Matthersby]

20/20 is enough for stupid good gains. There’s something quite synergistic about Dmz and Msten. One of the best oral stacks I’ve used. But ya, 30 of Dmz solo was darn near worthless except for a fuller look.

You want to supercharge that stack? Add in some Trest Ace for 5 weeks with only 20-30 of each, and see if you don’t put on 15 lbs like it was nothing.

 

[Matthersby]

Alpha-1 added to anything that’s methylated will likely make you feel like dogshyt. Not worth it IMO.

 

[adammorrow36]

just curious do u remember what dose you were taking each at? Thanks man

This is it

 

[Ryno94]

Back in the day I ran Super Dmz 3.0 which was a stack of all 3. Don’t remember the dosages but I only made it 2 and a half weeks before tapping out because I felt so terrible.
Didn’t run a test base with it, so I would definitely recommend one. Made some decent gains though considering I barely had an appetite most the time. Good luck on your cycle!

 

[Chadelr]

I’m running this right now, two days in.. and I swear my insides hurt already... is that possible or am I being dramatic?? Like my stomach and abdominal feel sore like I did 10,000 sit-ups.

 

[adammorrow36]

Back in the day I ran Super Dmz 3.0 which was a stack of all 3. Don’t remember the dosages but I only made it 2 and a half weeks before tapping out because I felt so terrible.
Didn’t run a test base with it, so I would definitely recommend one. Made some decent gains though considering I barely had an appetite most the time. Good luck on your cycle!

Ya i got not apetite and so freakin lethargic and i was using test

 

[adammorrow36]

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I’m running this right now, two days in.. and I swear my insides hurt already... is that possible or am I being dramatic?? Like my stomach and abdominal feel sore like I did 10,000 sit-ups.

Ya u beter be taking some serious cycle support

 

[Chadelr]

Ya u beter be taking some serious cycle support

Also taking krill oil, multi vitamin, and another pct just for the extra protection.. you think it’s this product making me sore that quick?

 

[adammorrow36]

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Also taking krill oil, multi vitamin, and another pct just for the extra protection.. you think it’s this product making me sore that quick?

Beter get some tudca too that alpha 1 is really harsh !

 

[Chadelr]

Beter get some tudca too that alpha 1 is really harsh !

There’s some in the supplement itself I’ll add some extra in there..

 

[adammorrow36]

There’s some in the supplement itself I’ll add some extra in there..

I just looked again i didnt see ot in the list but its always good to run it with a harsh methyl

 

[Chadelr]

I just looked again i didnt see ot in the list but its always good to run it with a harsh methyl

sorry “ot” ?

 

[Jeremyk1]

Add in your own TUDCA. I don’t see an amount on your stuff, so you may as well assume it’s like 1mg and just take some separately. You also may just need to come off that stuff for now if it’s making you hurt that bad.

 

[Chadelr]

Add in your own TUDCA. I don’t see an amount on your stuff, so you may as well assume it’s like 1mg and just take some separately. You also may just need to come off that stuff for now if it’s making you hurt that bad.

Maybe go a day or two and see if it subsides

 

[Chadelr]

At the rate I’m feeling I might go to the hospital. Fever, abdominal pain front and back and sore throat.. just feel like compete ****. Chest feels weird.

 

[adammorrow36]

At the rate I’m feeling I might go to the hospital. Fever, abdominal pain front and back and sore throat.. just feel like compete ****. Chest feels weird.

I always got a sore throaton ph's

 

[Chadelr]

Apparently I got an upper respiratory infection.