M-Sten cycle

bobby.digital

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I'm planning my first PH cycle (late apparently as of the PH ban). I had intended to do it last year but put it off, now I'm somewhat farked with M-Sten and Super DMZ 2.0 and 3.0 being all I could get my hands on. Out of those three, I've chosen M-Sten. I know this is not as good of a choice as Halo. but seeing as it's hard to get, this is what I'm left with.

I need help planning out effective OTC, and PCT but so far this is what I've come up with. Nothing is in stone, and I'm open to any suggestions.

Week 1: M-Sten 12mg divided into 3 doses of 4mg 6 hours apart, Fish-Oil, Blockade 2x Daily 2-3 hours after M-Sten, multi-vitamin, and extra hawthorn berry if needed for BP.
Week 2-4: These will be the same as week 1, as I've never done a cycle before, I don't think I'll have to push it with the M-Sten and I'd rather be on the safe side since I have fresh receptors. That stated, I may consider a 12/18/20/20 cycle.

Week 5-8
PCT: Clomid 50/50/25/25
Continue with fish oil, multi-vitamin.
Considering keeping Dermacrine on hand for a test base if needed for lethargy.
I'm undecided on Arimistane for an AI, and seeking input.
I was considering taking something for cortisol as well.

Is anything else required for PCT? Also, I've read mixed things about AI's for M-Sten. Are they needed? Is rebound gyno common with M-Sten and proper PCT?
 
Definitely not an expert on M Sten, but I'm debating same cycle so I might piggy back off the advice on here. I'll probably go 15 two days then 20/20/20/20. I was going to jump on real but didn't have the $350 it was going to cost me. I've only ran DMZ once before. With the DMZ I ran just ran Ar1macare pro while on cycle.

Then post I ran Clomid at I think 50/50/25/25 along with sup3r PCT and bulk DAA.
 
Yeah that's one thing I'm thinking about adding is DAA. I've seen some other PCT for M-Sten where they are running both clomid and nolva, which I'm unsure if that's overkill.
 
Have an AI on hand for sure. IF you have never ran a cycle, I would recommend you have certain things on hand just in case something arises, like inhibit-p incase prolactin increase, and pharma AI or Nolva incase estro spike. Even tho its dry and shouldnt aromatize, you never know what will happen if you have never ran anything hormonal.

Also, Reduce XT (cortisol control) for PCT would be an awesome addition, skipping the first 2 weeks and starting it @ week 3. And try the 12/16/20/20 cycle. 15mg is where the party starts. You may be fine with more like 12mg for first 3 days or so, then 16 for the whole thing.

You could also take a llook at my log if you want. There is a lot of good info in there and might really help you out.
 
highlander31 said:
Have an AI on hand for sure. IF you have never ran a cycle, I would recommend you have certain things on hand just in case something arises, like inhibit-p incase prolactin increase, and pharma AI or Nolva incase estro spike. Even tho its dry and shouldnt aromatize, you never know what will happen if you have never ran anything hormonal.

Also, Reduce XT (cortisol control) for PCT would be an awesome addition, skipping the first 2 weeks and starting it @ week 3. And try the 12/16/20/20 cycle. 15mg is where the party starts. You may be fine with more like 12mg for first 3 days or so, then 16 for the whole thing.

You could also take a llook at my log if you want. There is a lot of good info in there and might really help you out.
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I took a look at the log. What was the reason for using Nolva and Clomid? Do you think two SERMS is necessary? I like the idea of 12 for a few days, then 16. I think I'm settled on 12 for 3 days then 16/20/20. I'm gonna look into Reduce XT, thanks for that. I plan to have Nolva on hand, I'll look into pharma AI.

Thanks again.
 
bobby.digital said:
I took a look at the log. What was the reason for using Nolva and Clomid? Do you think two SERMS is necessary? I like the idea of 12 for a few days, then 16. I think I'm settled on 12 for 3 days then 16/20/20. I'm gonna look into Reduce XT, thanks for that. I plan to have Nolva on hand, I'll look into pharma AI.

Thanks again.
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2 SERMs arent necessary, but many are using both together. Nolva is better at targeting breast tissue and preventing estrogen from having effects. Clomid is better at starting up HPTA.
 
highlander31 said:
Have an AI on hand for sure. IF you have never ran a cycle, I would recommend you have certain things on hand just in case something arises, like inhibit-p incase prolactin increase, and pharma AI or Nolva incase estro spike. Even tho its dry and shouldnt aromatize, you never know what will happen if you have never ran anything hormonal.

Also, Reduce XT (cortisol control) for PCT would be an awesome addition, skipping the first 2 weeks and starting it @ week 3. And try the 12/16/20/20 cycle. 15mg is where the party starts. You may be fine with more like 12mg for first 3 days or so, then 16 for the whole thing.

You could also take a llook at my log if you want. There is a lot of good info in there and might really help you out.
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Do you think Arimidex is sufficient? Is it worth having on hand. I don't know much about AI's for OCT. Thanks in advance.
 
As Skooter said.

And yes always worth having AI on hand.
 
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